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I agree with you.

What justice? Has justice ever been served in this country? Criminals are in parliament. Some of them are even ministers. A person attacking parliament is being saved by the Govt.

Good morning friends. Have you voted for Taj? If not, then it is a reminder to you. Voting ends today (07/07/07). VOTE FOR YOUR LOVE / VOTE FOR TAJ

Afzal has been convicted for his crimes against Indian state by the highest court of this country. Bringing his religion and Kashmir in this case is equally anti-Indian. People like you give a bad image to Muslims in India. Such messages only provide grounds for accusing all Muslims as lacking in loyalty towards India.

Communal clshes are a result of the tension created by politicians. Their visits will only increase this tension. In case of any communal riot, all politicians should be picked up and isolated from people, police and administration. This should be irrespective of their parties. Ministers also should not be allowed to go near the scene.

Why not say all politicians?

What you say is absolutely right, but the problem is that all secular forces are practicing this nonsense and anybody opposing this nonsense is termed as communal.

SC has punished Zahira. Now it the turn of other hostile witnesses.

I share your concern, the genuine hurt at what is happening in out country. I firmly believe that your daughter, like any other children of India deserves the best. They deserve to be responsible citizens of India of our dreams. They should not be left to live in one of the poorest, one of the corrupt and one of the backward nation in the world like we all do. I have always believed that nothing will come out of criticizing others. We should improve ourselves. We should work as role models for our children. i have al

Society should work to create equal opportunities. It will in turn create equality.

Whether a person is a Hindu or a Buddhist is of no importance to me. He should be happy within his or her religion. You say dalits are Buddhists. That is OK for me. Now will it not be better to be a good Buddhist and stop abusing Hindus and their religious icons? The little I know about Buddhism, it does not teach hate and it does not expect its followers to abuse other religion.

Nice messages posted on the board. It makes a nice reading. It re-generates hope and faith in India' tomorrow.

Yes, it is everybody's responsibility. And like you say, electing proper representatives to assembly/parliament is very important.

Yes, I support you on this.

I share your aspirations.

They failed to do because they did not want to and did not try honestly and sincerely. But if people want to improv they can do it. At least a beginning will be made.

I will agree that people belonging to older generations did not perform their duties and did not discharge their responsibilities in the desired manner. And I belong to that generation. But now I am trying to do what I did not do earlier. Believe me India has a very bright future. And the reason is very simple. Younger people are free of many age old prejudices and are really proud of their country.

My grandmother had her own utensils. She will clean them herself. No body was allowed to touch them. No body was also allowed to enter the kitchen. Who was upper caste and who was dalit in our home?

Everybody has the same opinion that commitment to equity is not appeasement. What people call appeasement is saying that Muslim minority has first claim. Mr. Manmohan Singh said it with a specific purpose in mind and to send a pointed message to Muslim minority. That is appeasement. Then asking banks to give minority loans. Then further asking Govt, PSUs and other organizations to recruit Muslims. Yes, different laws for Muslims is appeasement. Giving Haj subsidy is appeasement. All this Muslim appeasement is worst form of communalism. Now Mr. Manmohan Singh has dragged name of Nataji in to his Muslim appeasement agenda. This is yet another form of Muslim appeasement.

I have also been asking this question but never got an answer.

Yes, tagging a particular community for all ills in the society is wrong. Only Hindus are blamed for atrocities on dalits. Does it mean that dalits never torment each other? Also do Muslims and Christians not torment dalits.

This will not be the first time for congress. In 1947 it created Pakistan out of India because of wrong policies and personal selfish interests of its leaders.

You call it reality Mr. Ajaycwhdory! Present Indian govrnment is led by more dalit leaders than upper caste Hindus. You use terms like 'Hindu toilet papers' & 'born barbaric' but claim that these are not hate filled posts.

An elderly man has written a letter to the editor of The Express-Times of Easton about Saddam's execution that "they have hanged the wrong man"?

You are right. No body is above the law of Karma.

Yes, I always believed that Dr Ambedkar never taught their grand sons and doughters to hate. He was a person of high stature. This is why I always wonder why dalits hate Hndus and then claim that they are the followers of Dr. Ambedkar. Caste hindus are not against dalits but are against the divisive policies of these dirty politicians. They fully support any positive iniiative to give dalits social and economocal equality.

I agree with your analysis.

A large majority of Indians supported her but she let them down by reversing her statement. She might be having certain compulsons but she did not respect the feelings of her supporters. By the way what are your plans for your next birth? Which country you have selected?

Sorry friend, but I did not know calling a question as foolish is indecent. I stand corrected.

From January 29,Bihar will have a helpline on RTI. It will help the people to file applicaions under RTI Act. From the details as given by Bihar Govt it will be a real help.

Many private channels have worked overtime to oppose the proposed amendment to RTI Act. They project themselves as the champions of peoples' right to information movement. But in their own house they do not part with any information. I have written many letters to a channel seeking some information but have not received even an acknowledgement. A clear case of double standards. Doosro ko nasihat par khud miyan fazihat.

It is sad to learn that Supreme Court, UPSC, CBI and Delhi Metro are asking for exemption from RTI Act. Don't they believe in transparent working? By illogically insisting on exemption they will loose the respect of the people.

Let me say what I believe in. We need not search love and compassion. It is within us. We should search within us and when we find it, we should let it come out. We will then find love and compassion everywhere. Now about darshan of Gods and Goddesses. I do not go to temples for having darshan. If a temple does not allow entry to all human beings then in my opinion it is not a temple. Gods and Goddesses will not be found in such buildings. I have a small temple in my house. I also see my heart as a temple. Every moment I have darshan of Gods and Goddesses.

Do you mean to say that Dr Ambedkar taught you to hate? No, Mr. Ajaycwhdory, it is difficult to accept your argument. Dr Ambedkar might have had negative views about Hindus and Hinduism but a man of his stature can not ask his followers to hate. Hate is ungodly, and I am sure he was a religious person.

Students will talk for student community. There should be a mechnism for interacting with management on the problems and other issues related to sudents. Union is one such mechanism. There can be Management-Student coordinating committees. But outside political interference should not be allowed.

Rani Mukherjee is right when she says, 'just because one or two people are racist, it doesn't make the whole country bad', but she is wrong in her implication. No body said that UK as a nation is racist. It is her own assumption. About you feeling sorry about all the Indians sitting in India making really disgusting comments about the racism row,I would say that racism is a real problem in UK. One can not deny that. And Indians are right in condeming it.

I think saying 'what racism' will not do. The issue is very much there. Only Shilpa is out of it.

At least there is some satisfaction that we concentrated on racism against people of asian orgin and discussed the issue in its wider perspective. The same stand has been taken by British Government and other British leaders. Indian Govt also took that stand. The issue is still alive. Only change is that there is no Shilpa in the middle of it.

I agree with you that she should be exiled to the abyss of the oceans. But please don't generalise her wrong act to include all Indians.

I believe that showing mercy on the enemies of the nation and killers of innocent people is not nationalism.

Such tacit support embolden terrorists to kill more innocent people. JohnSethu, will you speak in the same tone if after his release he kills one of you? Any how do you say that Muslim brothers will be won over by freeing him? Is he a terrorist or a muslim terrorist?

I fully agree with you. Alow me to make a correction - 'He should not be spared at any cost'.

Very well said.

The hurt she has caused to her supporters shows weakness of her character.

What a foolish question? Who else should be blamed, the vicims or their family members or the people?

But now she has encashed her abuse.

I share your hurt Mr. Rajaye_Hind.

Yes, people who came out in her support have been cheated by this shameless actress.

Yes, I fully agree with you.

Yes, she has embaressed not only her supporters but Indian Govrnment as well.

Somewhere I read, "STAR TV is run by an Australian, who is supported by St.Peters Pontificial Church, Melbourne".

It is no more shocking as now shilpa says that she was not ill treated.

Yes, Dr. Ambedkar, if he was alive today, will hang his head in shame on these hate filled messages being posted as being motivated by his thoughts.

You are right that crime and perversion sees no caste, creed or even gender. It is an outcome of greed and hate. Blaming entire Hindu community for such inhuman acts is itelf an outcome of hate.

Hinduism does not preach racism or casteism. The more I introspect, the more I become proud of my religon, the only religion which preaches love and compassion for all human beings. Remove your hate-glasses and you will see love.

Realiy does not bite. The hate bites. Look at it as an inhuman act of killing of human beings. Don't put tags on them. You are not helping anybody by your hate filled posts against the entire Hindu community.

These hate filled posts, what you think will get you?

And which religion, which country, which society you belong to Mr. Ajaycwhdory? From your posts I find that you have come to this board with a hate agenda.

Mr. Radhikarajen, what you say is correct, but the issue of Shilpa is different. Here she had cried of racist attack, people come out in support of her, then suddenly she turns-around and says that no racist remarks were made.

Enough time and energy has been spent in favour and against Shilpa and her hurt and then her restored pride. It is time people stop this discussion. It is not worth, especially now with Shilpa saying that no racist remarks were made against her.

With Shilpa's turn around, her support has also taken a turn-around. Now majority of board members are feeling as cheated by her. She has lost a good and sound support.

To whom you are trying to humour? It is sad that top leaders in UK do not agree with you. And as far as Indians in UK are concerned who can be the better judge other than an Indian?

That shows that she is not only a bad actress but also a bad person.

If what you say is true then it is bad on her part. She should not play with the sentiments of those who have come forward in her support. The issue has developed in to a case of racism.

But should we stop condemning racism because people of Shilpa's stature treat other people(fellow Indians) as bad as possible as a matter of nature(due to caste, stature, language and class differences)? Did those people making racist remarks against shilpa knew about how Shilpa treats other people? I think we should condemn both.

Will you please post the details of the changed version?

Protest aginst the financial scandal of the politicians, beuaracrats and so called intellectuals - is this the primary objective of student union?

You are right. Student unions having political affiliation loose any relevnce to students' cause and bocome mere tools for politicians to serve their vested interests. Student unions should be allowed only on the condition that they will not have any political afiliation.

You better ask governments of India and UK about what "racism" they are talking about.

There is nothing funny in this matter. Everybody should condemn this racist attack and every such attack at any time and at any place. Shilpa is only a person involved at his time. Anybody of asian origin could have been involved.

You are right my dear friend. It is a matter of Indians' dignity in the foreign land. I am surprised that some people on the board are lokking at this issue with a narrow mindset.

I fully agree with your views. Everyone should comdemn this racism against people of asian origin.

You are right Mr. Rajaye-Hind.

The issue is being seen in right and wider perspective, racism against people of asian origin.

I think you are right. Such attacks come from those who feel inferior and take out their frustration by abusing others.

It is really unfortunate that some people start posting hate-Hindu messages on every issue. Racist attacks are directed towards people of asian origin.

You are right that we should condemn racism in its every form,everywhere and always. No doubt, media picks up cases only when celebrities are involved, but it gives an opportunity to condemn racism.

You have written a lenghy message Mr. Piri. But the issue is being seen in a wider perspective, racist attack on a person of Asian origin.

You are free my dear to care or not to care.

I don't understand this thought process. Why should she leave? She should fight against the racist attack. Others can fight or do not fight with her depending on whether they feel enraged on such treatment or not. Should people fight for her when she gives a penny to them?

You may be right but Indian and British Governments do not seem to agree with you.

Do you have to use such offensive language to put forward your views?

I agree with A. M. Hans, When he writes to TOI (in response to its editorial - Teri Ganga Maili)that belittling Hindus has become the pet cause of English media. How can only Hindus be held responsible for pollution of rivers, and for filth and garbage all around in our cities and towns? It is not correct to convert matters concerning the entire country into a chance for finding faults with the people of a particular community, the Hindus.

NOIDA SSP Rathore has said that police could not search all the places and with all required precision because of law and order problem created because of peoples' agitation.

This is the reality. Everybody in Shashan knows it but nobody is ready to do anything for a permanent solution of this problem.

CBI is investigating the case. Let us wait for its report.

I posted a reply but it did not appear on board.

You are right dear friend. For Srilanka mess Riajiv Gandhi paid with his life. Gate crashing in Islamic conference was really shameful. It resulted in only insult to our nation.And how can you expect secular Indian Govt sending a delegation to world Hindu conference?

The enire country condemned it. But I am proud that Indian soldiers acted in a dignified manner. They did not deal with dead bodies of enemy soldiers in an undignified manner.

Here I agree with you. Not only India but every nation should condemn any acts of agression. Also every counry should comply with international laws. Saddam and US both disregarded international opinion.

That part of execution was wrong and it certainly deserve condemnation.

You are right Mr. Dinesh. Being neutral does not mean 'not being concerned about human issues'. Saddam violated human rights of other human beings and in the act he was caught and then other human beings did not bother about his human rights. Don't you think it is give and take? Saddam received same treatment which he gave to others.

You are welcome to your point of view Mr. Dinesh. But the issue you raised was about some in-human act and Saddam deserving better treatment. Can you give some details?

You are right that current police officers have been trying to hide facts and cover their butts. Lot of evidence has already been tempered or lost. Now when the investigation has been handed over to CBI, they will sure feel handicapped.

Are only police being blamed? Survival of UP Govt is at stake.

Yes, we should clean up our country first before trying to tidy up others. Improvement starts with 'I'.

Yes, we are always ready to burn our hands in other peoples' fire and leave our own fires unattended.

I will like to answer but for that you will have to elaborate on - which act was inhuman and what better treatment Saddam deserved?

Every system will collapse if it is not monitored and reviewed at regular intervals, and examined to determine root cause and apply corrections whenever a problem occurs. All institutional systems in India are being implemented in a unsystematic manner.

It seems so, at least from media reports.

No right thinking person will disagree with what you say.

It is unfortunate but in reality what you say is right.

I share your and Sharad's concern. CBI certainly has a difficlt task at its hands. UP police has done its best to ensure that high profile people can get away.

I was shocked to read this news. Let us see what comes out of their narco analysis.

They should be tried for their crimes.

What, as per rules, is the basis for a state government to request center to hand over a particular case to CBI?

I share your anguish expressed in your message.

As per a news item, people are still going missing in Noida. In the last one week, after the Nithari killings came to lights, as many as six missing persons complaints have been reported in the area. However, senior officers of the Noida Police said they had become more cautious. Every complaint is being looked into, and a case is being registered wherever necessary, they said.

You are right. What is happening today is the result of a negative mindset. Some people think that they are supirior to some other people, and this gives them a right to manipulate others' lives.

Has any police station been certified as per ISO 9001 standard?

So says Iraqi PM. He has threatened to 'review' relations with countries, which have criticized the execution and failed to respect the wish of the Iraqi people.

Being international without being national.

You have mixed up many issues in one post. You are right that nobody has any right to kill anybody. But there are people who kill others. The society has made laws, approved by majority, to deal with (punish) such people. Saddam killed many people and he was punished.

In reference to Saddam, who created the circumstances and who was supposed to eradicate those circumstances.

I think they understand the dictators and terrorists very well, but such people always have sympathy for those who don't have any concern for the lives of common people. Perhaps they see their own image in dictators and terrorists.

A nice sob story Mr.Radhikarajen. But these human thoughts come out only when a Muslim is killed. If punishment for crime is not a deterrent to crime, then why have courts and criminal procedure codes?

Did USA really get away cheaply? Count dollors spent and soldiers killed. Some people are crying over Saddam. No body has cried over these US soldiers and Iraqi people. Why send a judge from lalooland? Why not Laloo himself? We Indians should not claim a monopoly on great people like Laloo. UPA Govt should send him to all the countries for turning around their loss making enterprises.

CM Yadav was in Delhi but did not visit Nithari. His brother visited Nithari and gave a clean chit to Noida cops. Now his Govt should immediately reinstate suspended cops and reward them with UP Ratna. These two politician brothers have created a record of making the most insensitive (inhuman) statement of the decade.

Your suggestions can be implemented when there is no mela. During mela there is so much rush that people are allowed only one dip, and you are talking of children allowed to play in water.

No,it can not be done at such a short notice. It is a long term project.Take the case of Yamuna. Crores have been spent but the pollution is increasing.

I don't think Noida police deserve any credit. They only deserve dismissal and action against them for criminal dereliction of duty. As per a news item, many retired senior police officers are of this view.

Thank you Mr.Pandey for a highly thought provoking article. I an sure NDTV will take up the issues raised by you in an appropriate manner with concerned authorities. We, member of the discussion board, feel the same way and are trying to do our bit to secure justice for the vicims and their families.

You wrote a nice post on the topic. Then suddenly you went off the track and started talking about NDDB. Is something wrong?

What is there to be surprised about. He must be close to the power.

UP PWD Minister Shiv Pal Yadav,brother of CM Mulayam Singh Yadav has said that "Such incidents happen in every state, but in this case we were able to expose it". So it was ruling Yadav family who exposed these killings.

They ignored it because children belonged to poor parents.

The issue relates to pollution of Ganga water and whether all sins will be washed away by taking bath in Ganga water. It is nice that you want to educate uneducated people on these issues. I wish you all success.

Industries are law-bound to treat hazardous waste. As environmntal laws are not being enforced with sincerity of purpose, the industries discharge hazardous waste in river streams without effecively treating it.

A large majority in Iraq is happy at the execution of Saddam. Will it not be against the will of Iraqi people and an interference in Iraq's internal affairs, if government of another country criticizes the execution?

Some people in India are crying over hanging of Saddam. It is nothing new. These people always cry whenever a Muslim terrorist or a criminal is killed. To win Muslim votes congress and other communally-secular parties also cry. As the government at center is headed by congress the UPA government is also crying.

Yes, what you say is right.

India's Chief Justice-designate K G Balakrishnan has emphasized the need for witness protection. When asked about the corruption in the judiciary, Balakrishnan pointed out that it was difficult to detect corruption in the system. "What is worrying is that people have started thinking that justice can be purchased. It is difficult to detect corruption in the judicial system but if there are doubts about the integrity of a person then he should not be appointed as a judge at all," he maintained. The CJI-designate also clarified his stand on the judiciary versus Parliament debate, which has raked in a lot of controversy. "There is no confrontation between the two but common man may perceive it as confrontation. Some orders or decisions of this court may be interpreted as confrontation but it is not so," he added. When pointed out that some Members of Parliament (MP's) have been referring to it as confrontation, he blamed it on lack of legal knowledge. "MP's are not legally well informed when they make such statements. There may be some orders that MP's don't like, but nothing can be done about it," he said.

When asked, 'why another inquiry?', UPA Minister Renuka Choudhary said- "Even if we constitute ten inquiries to come to the root of this and if we can take preventive steps to see that no other child ever suffers like this, I think it is okay to have the inquiry". Madam Minister, is it 'to come to the root of this' or a political trick. Afterall UP elections are near.

Poor voiceless people whose life is not worth a paise for police and politicians. Noida police not only did not take any action on their complaints but made fun of them that their daughters have run away with their boy friends. Shame, shame, shame .........

There has been a widespread support from across the country for the victims and their families. In Varanasi, there was a candlelight tribute for the children who were killed, and in Kanpur, hundreds of children along with their parents took to the streets. Protesters also shouted slogans for speedy delivery of justice in the case.

The Noida police are investigating. They have told NDTV that the CBI's advice has also been taken. NHRC and the NCW are already looking into the case.Centre has ordered a probe headed by Secretary of the Ministry of Women and Child Development. UP CM has also constituted a two-member committee comprising Secretary (Home) and ADG (law and order). See the opportunistic stands by these agencies. Earlier, for years, Noida police either did not register FIR or did not take any action on registered FIR. Now everybody seems to be overactive in probing the killings.

Pollution in any river is harmfull to people taking bath in river water or using it for drinking purposes. In any case nothing can be done at such short notice except completely stopping industrial discharge into the river along its way from himalayas, during the period of Ardh Kumbha.

Now the Centre has ordered a probe into the Noida killings headed by Manjula Krishnan, Secretary of the Ministry of Women and Child Development.The probe will have to submit a report in 15 days. The ground for SC declining to order a CBI probe was that the state police, NHRC and NCW are already looking into the case. UP CM said that he is not opposed to a CBI probe. What may be the provocation for center to order another probe?

Yes, I agree with Mr. Arun's and your views. Those who live by violence die by violence. These self-declared champions of secularism and democracy cry for Afzal but not for Santosh Singh, killer of Priyadarshini Mattoo. Santosh Singh should be hanged because he is a Hindu but Afzal should be set free because he is a Muslim.

It is asking too much of politicians to own up responsibility and resign. Several politicians have done a round of the Nithari village blasting the state administration and the police. But UP CM Mulayam Singh Yadav is staying away because of, what in political circles is called, the Noida Jinx. Politicians believe that the CM who comes to Noida loses power.

Supreme Court has declined to order a CBI probe into the Noida serial killings. A two-judge bench headed by Chief Justice of India Y K Sabharwal said that the state police, the National Human Rights Commission and the National Commission for Women are already looking into the case. Learned judges must have had their reasons for not asking CBI to probe the killings. But it is the same police which did not bother about missing children of poor people. I don't know what investigations NHRC and NCW carry out except asking state government to submit reports.

Yes, you are right.

Portraying Saddam as a hero of Muslims is definitely wrong. But Indian media and secularists have always been behaving in this manner. And let us not forget congress and supporting parties in UPA Govt. See the case of Afzal.

How do you say that upper class Indians are not feeling pain of those who have lost their children NOIDA killings? Members on this board, activists and media personnel do not come from lower class.

Expressing concern over the serial killings in Noida, the Chief Justice of India Designate KG Balakrishnan has said that the case must be probed thoroughly.The NHRC has also issued notices to the chief secretary of Uttar Pradesh.As police itself is suspect in this case, the investigation should be handed over to CBI.

The concept, as I see it, is to sacrifice something very dear like a son. A camel owned by someone (not bought for sacrifice) for travel in desert can be considered very dear. Goat can not be considered as dear as son or camel. The concept is lost but the pracice continues. There is no sacrifice. It is only a ritual.

This callous attitude (dereliction of duty) of police is largely responsible for killings of innocent children. If they had acted, the way police should act, lives of many childten would have been saved. Harsh punishmnt should be given to guilty policemen.

Saddam has been punished and executed for his own crimes. What US has done is another matter. It is wrong to make a martyr out of Saddam who ordered kiling of many people, and which he has accepted in the court.

The problem is that in India they have to appease Muslims, which is not a part of China policy.

Those hell bent on implementtion of 27% reservation belong to old generaton. They have lived their life. But before they go, they want to ensure that the younger generation is divided and remains divided. Perhaps by doing this they will fulfill the purpose of their life.

Peacefull co-existence.

They may be "organized groups of minorities", but against divided majority they are one, and also supported by some groups of majority.

I fully agree with your views. "Don't give up and keep going" should be the mantra of Indian people.

The problem is that what he says are taken as the views of the Prime Minister of India. That is why he needs to be very very carefull while speaking.

A natural reacton on the part of those who are dishonest and not sincere in their jobs, and are afraid that their misdeeds will become public under RTI. They should be dealt with under the law.

Yes, RTI has brought transparency to the system as never before. Let us work to achieve more and more transparency in every aspect of our day-to-day life.

Politicians can exploit people only when people allow them to do so. It is unfortunate that people get carried away by emotional appeals of politicians and get in a position where they can be exloited. If only people guard their interests well the situation will be different.

I appreciate relentless efforts of Arvind Kejriwal and his likes.I also thank them and hope that they will continue their efforts.

And if some frog wants to learn and tries to get out of the well other frogs pull him down. The ghetto mentality.

You are right but population explosion has put quantity before quality.

Sorry, I don't intend to deflect the topic matter. May be what I am saying is not directly relevant to your topic. Yes, religious matters and social movements stand on different footings. I am just going a step further that people should not convert social movements in to religions.

What you are saying Mr. Flash, people are already doing it. I have seen a building on which is written - 'Ambedkar Temple'.

In leaderless India, he has introduced a term which will be misused by politicians as per their convenience. India is already burdened with various terms like, secularim, affirmative action, raj dharma. These people are champion conflict creators.

I think it is right. What public opinion did was to balance the pressure put up by other side and under which all accused were set fre. If there was no public pressure, do you think these cases would have ever reached this conclusion?

What is there to debate? Public opinion balances the pressure put up by other side on invesigating agencies, witnesses and judiciary.

You are right.

Afzal's hanging has already been postponed. As per Patil for minimum seven years.During this period he might join congress and become the Home Minister.

Not always. During emergency, SC supported Govt decision to suspend citizens's right to life.

Indian Govt under congress requested them but they did not bother and hanged Saddam. In India the congress will now go to Muslims to beg for their votes bragging about this request.

Those who executed Saddam don't follow the policy of Muslim appeasement.

Let us see what happens.

This is the view I am putting forward. Why some social reformers converted their movements in to new religions? Was it really necessary? If social movements of Kabir, Dayanand Saraswati, Raja Ram Mohan Rai had also converted in to new religions, the world would have many more religions.

I don't understand. Twice I posted that in Delhi also people can enclose Postal Order with their application under RTI Act. But it has not appeared on the board. What reservation NDTV is having on this issue?

RTI tool is reaching areas which were not even thought of. The real empowerment of people.

The power of information is becoming more and more evident.Please keep providing such information.

I think the entire report is made to order to give an excuse to PM to sing minority tune. It was not at all necessary. He wanted to give first right to Muslims. Faced with stiff opposition he now talks of equal share. For giving equal share to Muslims he does not need a committee. Constitution already provides for that.

Is Govt. denying this information as it may expose the politics behind appointment of Sachar Committee by PM? The recent news is that in seven states literacy rate of Muslims is more than other religious groups.

File an applicaton under RTI Act. If IT people give you the same reason, then file an appeal.

Ponder yes, but who has the time?

WB Govt must be having some rehabilitation plans for them.

She should thank the President for giving her an way out.

She has now called off her fast but insists that the agitation will continue. It seems the lady has undertaken fast on an issue which could not get her any political advantage.Another wrong political move!!

PM had earlier said that muslims have 'first claim to resources'. Now he says that muslims deserve equal share in deveopment, but not at the expense of others. Is he trying to correct himself or is it another trick of minority appeasement? I think it is the later.

Degrees make people educated but not necessarily qualify them for the job they undertake. For this they have to work with honesty and sincerity. There are many educated people in politics but they do not qualify for the job thay are handling. But it is necessary that a minimum education is prescribed for members of elected bodies.And as far as Mr. Kamraj is concerned there are always exceptions.

Let Bhutan set standards for India, the largest democracy.

I support your views. The empowerment is the answer. Dalits should self-empower themselves by productively using whatever resources are available and with this empowerment they should move ahead for more empowerment. This should be an exercise of continual improvement. They should assert themselves as a part of the community. Running away or hating other sections of the community will only deplete their strength.

A good post. I agree with what you say. But I differ on one point. Discrimination can not be a part of any religion.Discrimination is in the minds of the people. Did paster wanted Rs. 250 and closed church doors on those who could not pay, beacuse it is mandated by christian religion? Or was it a result of his personal greed?

Thanks for such good information. Please keep it up.You are doing a good job.

Good information. Thanks to Commodore Lokesh.K.Batra (Retd.) and Suraksha. Other states should also follow this. It will sure make procedure to file application easy.

There is nothing confidential in question papers of past exams and model answers to applicants.It will help applicants in preparing for the exam. The Information Commission has taken a right decision in ordering the UGC to provide this onformation.

People are warming up to their new found empowerment tool.

A step in the right direction.

Yes, it needs a closer examination.

Yes, the right and the responsibility.

Yes, that is right.

Sikhism and Islam.

Role play of politicians/activists and terrorists.

Building a society of values, yes, but some of them started new religions.

Now they do it all the time.

You are right. BJP top leadership is totally confused, and it has made everybody in BJP confused. This sorry state of main opposition is not good for the country.

Such cases will give necessary boost to and belief in the effectiveness of RTI Act.

A good news. This will sure make the process very easy. When they are going to start it?

You are absolutely right Mr. Rajaye-Hind.

Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year to Arvind Kejriwal, you and Suraksha, other activists, members of this board and amny other unknown Indians who are giving their support to this remarkable law.

First let us find out who this SIC is, a serving or retired babu or from some other field? What RTI Act says on this?

I am a Hindu, but people should see me as a person.

The battle continues, but the people should keep fighting.

To be credible and look credible, an organization has to be transparent. RTI Act helps in this. The behaviour of commission and its chairman shows that there is something wrong in its working. An honest and transparent organization will not hesitate in sharing information and cooperate with any investigation, as these tools will prove its credibility.

Yeh to hona hi tha. Corrupt babus will not give up so easily. Judiciary at this stage should protect the peoples' right to information. It is good that designate CJI favours this act and respect right to information.

It is shameful behaviour. The Commissioner should be removed. Is he a retired or serving babu? If yes, then it is once again proved that retired or serving babus should not be appointed to these positions under RTI Act. Now what is the course available for Hitender Jain? He should pursue the case to its logical conclusion. Thanks to him for what he is doing for RTI Act.

As PM he is the leader of entire nation and not of only those states which are under congress rule. It is unfortunate that he is not able to rise above petty party politics. It is a fact that he started as representative of Sonia Gandhi but people have accepted him as PM, and now it is his duty that he should not compromise the positon of PM of India by continuing working as Sonia's representative.

The more I read about RTI Act, I feel more and more empowered.

I was also surprised to read this. What is going on in his mind?

Using the phrase 'first Dalit to be named the chief justice of India' gives an impression that he was designated as CJI because he is a dalit. The fact is that he is the seniormost judge of SC and has a very good record. He himself and media are over-emphasizing on his being dalit. I do't understand why?

RTI Act is displaying its power. It is good.

Atrocities on dalits has become a hot topic these days. Every issue is being blown out of proportion. Government, politicians, media, activists, all are contributing to it. Everybody has a self-interest in this campaign. The situation will worsen further seeing UP elections are near.

Has he been designated as CJI, beacuse he is the senior-most judge in SC and he is an able judge, or because he is a dalit?

You have got it wrong. The causer here is the Atman and not Parmatman. Permatman is beyond cause and effect.

A very good post. A thought, can RTI be used to nail politicians on their agenda of spreading communal hatred? It is interesting that minority for the purpose of the NCM Act, means �a community notified as such by the Central Government�, but what is the criteria to be followed by the Central Government to notify a community as a minoriy communiy?

Yes, a good news & victory for all RTI actvists and also the general public.

Three cheers for Gunraj Singh.

Thanks to Dhar, people may know the truth. He should certainly take up the matter with the Central Information Commission.

A very good decision.

Details are there for everybody to see.

Very true.

Don't use such words. What I said is a fact. You may agree or you may not.

I agree with what you say.

And I answered that question, See my post of December 18.

Center of the creation. Mr. Flash, I thought you were following the discussion with all sincrity. But now I notice an element of casualness in your attitude.Discusions on religion can not be held so casually. Let us stop it.

In a frank admission, Delhi High Court judges R.S. Sodhi and P.K. Bhasin admitted that acquittal of all the accused in Jessica Lall's murder had shaken people's faith in judiciary. 'We are of the view that this case is one that has shaken the confidence of the society in the country's criminal justice delivery system,' said judges. I hope that all other judges share this view.

Thanks for cautioning people. No phone numbers, only e-mail or mailing address.

This is good news.

A ggod decision. Now I want to see that fine is actually deducted from PIO's salary and deposited in the municipal fund.

CIC's comments are welcome. I am looking forward to first case of penal action against a PIO for denial of, or for delay in, providing information.

Is a proposal being submitted to the Govt for making above changes in RTI Act?

Yes, Anna Hazare's demand is correct. More information commissioners should be appointed for speedy disposal of the appeals, and no former or present bureaucrat should be appointed as public information officer.

No body is afraid of quotas. They are opposed to quotas. People here want dalits to be empowered so that they get admission for higher studies and jobs on their merits.If denying the share is considered then blame creamy layer.

Mr. moosah, you got it wrong. Members on this board are not nursing any hatred towards dalits. They believe in equality. They are hurt because even after 60 years, a large section of dalits remain unaffected by quotas. They are hurt because politicians are only interested in dalit votes and not their betterment. They are hurt because dalits are not being empowered but are being made more and more dependent on short-term quota policies and programmes. Because of this, they oppose quotas and call for other alternative schemes to empower dalits.

The causer is at the center.

People become good or bad by their actions. But a person can certainly rise above this duality.

It has no beginning and no end. If anything changes with time, place and situation it will not be called Sanatan. I don't know which scriptures say that Sanatan Dharma changes as per times,places,situations and people.

Which question Mr. Flash?

I don't remember exact details, but sometime back SC clarified that life term means imprisonment for entire life.

As per today's news, Delhi High Court meanwhile, issued notices to all hostile witnesses in the Jessica Lall murder case.A Bench comprising Justice R S Sodhi and Justice P K Bhasin issued show cause notices to 29 witnesses, who had turned hostile during the trial of the case.They have been directed to appear before the court on February 1, 2007. Will Shayan Munshi and others be punished as Zahira Sheikh?

Quotas have only bred inefficiency. When a person gets something without actually working for it, he looses every interest in working for it. On the other hand competition helps societies grow. Here everybody is putting in his or her best. There will be no need of quotas if children are given good education irrespective of their caste and creed.

The first target is UP election. Politicians have made Muslim community a liability on Indian society and nation. The unfortunate part is that a large section of Muslim community are looking at it as means to better their lot. No community can develop on alms.

I don't think there was any such feeling in the minds of judges. They examined the evidence purely on law and pronounced their judgement.

After court pronounced Manu Sharma guilty of murder of Jessica Lall, Ram Jethmalani refused to comment. But his daughter, Ran Jethmalani, expressed her views. She said - " It was exceedingly painful for me," I had always campaigned for women's rights and have been a human rights activist myself. "As a lawyer whatever my father might say he is not just a lawyer also happens to be a member of parliament and also happens to be a legislator and there is a great responsibility on legislators". "When the system of justice is polluted, tampered and perverted it is time I think for lawyers to say that we will not take part in these kinds of cases". "The law does not prevent you from doing this and there is a higher moral code there is the constitutional law and also our constitutional duties in article 51 of the constitution so all these things would have prevented him to disobey or discard a rule of professional ethics."

The circle is not yet complete. There is Nitish Katara case and many many such cases rotting in the files. Then there are corruption cases where circle has not yet begun.

You are right. This is a blind forum. You study the topic and message. You write your reply. But you don't know wheter it will publish or blocked.

Congratulations. You have understood the moral of the humour.

I fully agree with your observations.

World is made of good and bad people. People on their own create conflict. On their own they can reduce it.

What all this adds to - Do your Karma in harmony with nature and its laws. Such Karma will not create any conflict. This is Sanatan Dharma.

Yes, there should be no delay in such cases. Unfortunately delay in this case is intentional keeping UP elections in sight. UPA Govt believes that by freeing Afzal it will get votes of Indian Muslims. This shows that UPA Govt does not differentiate between Mmuslim terrorists and other Muslim citizens of India.

As per a news item, court will take up Report of SIT on probe in loopholes in this case in January.Concerned cops are still under scanner.

While pronouncing judgement in Jessica Lall murder case, the court has condemned Shayan Munshi as a liar and went to the extent of saying that he was won over by Manu. The court also blamed him for creating confusion by floating an imaginary two-weapon theory at the instance of the accused. I am surprised why court has not punished him. Is law different for Shayan Munshi and Zahira Sheikh?

He has shamed himself at this age.

Yes, there is no free lunch. People either should work to earn it or be ready to be exploited by those provide it.

It is not the problem but the beauty of Dharma guiding mankind to live and let others live as humans.

Yes, principles of "sanatan dharma" are uniformly applicable on all humans at all times. They do not change with people or with time.

Faith is not blind. Blind are the people who discriminate people on the basis of their faith, caste or such man made different yard sticks.

There should be some ethics in legal profession.

Yes, justice delivered to Jessica and her family. The people have won again.

Yes, yes, yes.

Congratulations to People of India for uniting for the just cause.

Where do you fit the belief in certain religions that only their religion is right and people following other religions are demons?

Are you really interested to learn about Sanatan Dharma?

Shekhar Gupta : I think India is now a truely secular Nation. Prannoy roy : Yea. But i think there's need to demonize BJP further. Till that time the mission will remain incomplete. Vinod Mehta : Boss. Why do you worry ? I have already spoken to my Pakistani counterparts & some liberals in Europe. BJP's days are numbered.They are all with us. N.Ram : Yea, but what about human rights ? That industry needs growth. Praful Bidwai : Arey Baba, i have already filed 3 more fake cases in Supreme Court. And i know the judge. We can get all the terrorists released within days. Rajdeep Sardesai : But there's still work to be done. Modi is still C.M of Gujarat. All : Shut up Rajdeep. It's b'cos of you, he's the CM.

Yes, I mean that. Whenever people move away from fundamental dharmic principles, social practices become evil. Many social reformrs have come from time to time and worked to reform the evil from society. The problem is that at times some refgormers started their own religion to reform the society and it gave birth to conflict on religious lines.

There is nothing unfortunate in our constitution designed with good intentions. Its misuse by pseudo-seculars to pamper the minorities is unfortunate.

This is the most talked abaout topic these days. A test case for India and the govrnment. The decision on Afzal will tell whether this government is capable of defending national interests and integrity. Most probably terrorist rats will be eliminated.

Hindu society is now being ruled by dalits. Other day I read an aticle declaring that future belongs to dalits.

It should be the other way. religous prctices should not be given precedence over common civil laws.

No it does not come from sky. It is a social practice which is subject to change.

You can not understand Dharma as religion. Your calling Sanatan Dharma as a new thing is a proof of that misunderstanding. Hinduism and religion are new terms given to Sanatan Dharma by those invadors who could not understand the principles of Dharma. Their religions were started by individuals and for them it was difficult to understand Sanatan Dharma which was based on principles and not on individual's views.

India's highest court has found him guilty. But if you have some information then you must share share it with security agencies and the court.

You are saying it, and the Govt is acting on its policy - common men's life is not worth anything.

He is not able to stand with dignity and face the gallows for the cause he holds so dear. He, like any other terrorist, is proving to be a coward.

What people call 'Hinduism' now is in fact 'Sanatan Dharma'. Sanatan is eternal , but there is no true equivalent of 'Dharma' in any language. The term 'religion' is the nearest equivalent but it also misses out some basic principles of Sanatan Dharma. One such principle is 'all are equal' as all are the image of God. God is manifested in every living being including human beings. The other principle is 'God is one and different people try to reach Him in different ways'. All these ways lead people to Him if pursued with love and complete surrender before Him.

No, every thing can not be taken as faith. The conflict has arisen because a community has filed to respect the faith of other community.

It is Sanatan Dharma. Religion is not a true equivalent of Dharma. Also Hinduism is not a true equivalent of Sanatan Dharma. First let us understand this. Sanatan Dharma is based on principles, which are byond time and space dimensions. All Human beings are equal as all of them are the image of God. Treating them as upper or lower caste is a crime against God. How can some people come between some other people and God, by refusing them entry in a temple? Such people are indulging not only in crimes as per men made law but also as per the law of the God. Sanatan Dharma teaches the way of life based on its principles, one of them is 'all are equal'.

What you call evil is not a part of Dharma.

How come returning the medals to the President is unconstitutional? Why UPA govrenment does not hand over all returned medals to Afzal? This may prove to be the trump card congress is looking for to win UP election.

UPA govrnment is creating a record of passing highest number of bills which are unjust, discriminatory and meant to please a targeted section of the society.

Anti-social elements feed on unrest in society. Can you site an instance where people fought in favour or against any particular idol? Idols can not be the cause of any clash.

Who are these upper castes and how come their acts are seen as sanctioned by Hinduism?

You are welcome to welcome it. But for me it is further division of Indian society on caste basis.

People should be empowered to take benfits of qouta. For entering in a medical college the student should have minimum qualifcaion, and to have that qualification he or she should make a start by going to primary school.

It is absurd. Courts can not and should not rule on faith.

Resrvation, which was adopted as an affirmative action, with vote-bank politics has becone a negative action. It has done more harm to the real needy. The benefits have been cornered by the creamy layer.

Thanks. It is nice of you to provide such useful information.

Yes, a disgrace to Indian nation caused by its own government.

Yes, the government has put Indian nation to shame by creating such a situation where family members of those who sacrificd their lives for the nation had returned the awards. The shame has been compounded by deafening silence on the part of PM.

It may be because no body related to them has been killed. When Mehbooba was abducted, a terrorist was released. Life of Indian citizens has been rendered so cheap that some people, without any fear, can advocate release of terrorists who killed many innocent people.

worshipping one idol or multitude of idols is an issue different from the one you had orginally raised. Defilement or defacing of idols is not a part of worship. It is an act to create communal tension in the society by anti-social elements. How idols can be held responsible for that?

The difference between Afzal and Patil is becoming more and more blurred everyday.

Yes. This nation belongs to Indians and anybody at war with Indians should be hanged without loosing any time.

To be soft on terrorists is a crime against Indian people. All such supporters of terrorists should be tried for crimes against the Indian state and the people.

Yes, the root cause should be removed if India wants terror to end.

Yes, that is what a naionalistic government should do.

Can you give an example to support your viewpoint? In every temple there are idols of many Gods, and people worship all of them.

Till date, Afzal is saying that he did not get a fair trial. Some activists are also supporting him on this. I will not be surprised if after sometime congress also take this stand.

Yes, I agree that supporters of terrorists should aso be hanged along with their fellow terrorists.

Poor security people, who gave their life to save the life of these dirty politicians, are being insulted by talkings of freeing Afzal.

Mr. Flash, worshipping of a multitude of "IDOLS" has no role in fragmentation of our society. There are other reasons for it.

Oh Mr. Rebel, sometimes you become highly uncharitable. Rajputs are not known in the manner you describe them. The Rajput king you have referred to have never been considered as n icon.

What courts will decide? The issue relates to faith. People of both faiths should sit together and decide. If only politicians and self-serving religious leaders are kept out of it, the solution will not more than few days.

Why not? There is a strong case for this.

Can such a person be not convicted under the existing laws?

Yes, I agree with your views.

There seems to be a positive angle to quota system, the way you describe it. What will happen if resrvation enters in private sector also?

Equality is a basic feature of the constitution, and equality includes social equality. Any justifiable (affirmative) action to achieve social equality is a part of social justice. Indian constitution adopted reservation as an affirmative action for a specified period. But politicians extended this period again and again to indefinite period. These politically motivated extensions have changed the affirmative character of reservations and turned reservation in to a political tool to capture power and then to retain it. Disregarding SC advice for excluding creamy layer is an indication that politicians are determined to use it as a vote capturing tool. It wll be wasting time to expect that political parties will ever agree to any other affirmative action in place of resrvation. So now the ball is in peoples' court.

These power mongers have almost become terrorists in their own way. All their policies and programmes are anti-people.

No, I am not saying that. Education level in dalits is rising. What is happening is that their energies are being wasted in non-productive work, such as, these agitations. Dalits should harness their energies and work to empower thmselves so that they can use all coming opportunities to their benefit.

I will not call it 'unwarranted stress' but a well thought-out strategy to win over muslim votes in coming UP election. I am not surprised at Manmohan Singh indulging in cheap and unprincipled politics. He is a politician now and any leftover traces of honesty and sincrity of purpose will soon be a thing of past.

Your reference to dalits as most disorderly and uncivilized lots is looking at a section of Indian society with tainted eyes. How can you forget such disorderly and uncivilized behaviour by other sections of the society? It would be advisable for all to desist posting such discriminatory messages.

I am not singling out dalits for violant demonstrations. It is a case in point which has initiated this discussion and reference ends here. Main emphasis of the message is that dalits are being exploited for votes and they should see through the game. What I believe is that no energy should be wasted in any attempt to get even with anybody for what happened in the past. The strategy for the dalits should be to empower themselves by using every opportunity which is coming their way.

Cheating is the right word for this attempt to bring backdoor reservation to Muslims.

With so many different views, first there should be an agreement on what 'social justice'is.

A view shared by many people.

Yes, why 27%? SC also wants to know the basis of this 27%.

Very interesting. Please elaborate it some more.

You say that you are a follower of Dr. Ambedkar. I doubt if he said what you have been posting on this board.

'How do you explain this sudden dalit violence?', when asked, famous playwright Vijay Tendulkar answered - 'Dalits have been made pawns so many times. They never seem to see through the game. Someone should have been there to restrain them, to make them understand that the desecration of Ambedkar's statue has a political motive. Violence over statues, names, symbols can't become goals. What do you achieve by damaging public property? This will boomerang on you and not on politicians.' I have been saying this on this board for a long time. One can not correct a wrong by doing another wrong. Dalits should guide themselves and not be guided by others. It is unfortunate but a fact that after Ambedkar there has been no true dalit leader in India. All these self-claimed leaders are only exploiting dalits for their own good.

Which dalit leader you follow, as I have not seen any known dalit leader talking like this?

I am a Hindu and I will not react the way some dalits have reacted to vandalism of Dr. Ambedkar's statue if you burn Hindu temples. Gods and godesses are not abnormal. Abnormal are those who burn with hate as hate takes away logic from peoples'normal thought process.

Don't be sarcastic. People can not attack cricketers' house if the team does not perform to their expectations.

Did successive Indian governments have any policy to really stop atrocities on dalits?

Simply calling them unfriendly is not correct. They are dishonest and are made Information Commissioners to protect politicians and serving babus. Such people should never be given a job in information commissions.

Concrned people should be exposed and penalized.

Any person will gladly share the information if he or she has acted with sincerity and honesty of purpose. Only a dishonest person will be afraid of sharing the informaion and will do everything possible to block the free flow of information.Such persons should be exposed. This PIL is a welcome move in this direction. I thank and congratulate the petitioner.

It is a very good decision.

You are doing a good job. Don't stop posting. Many times, I have posted my views in reply to your postings. Your efforts are not going to waste. What you post starts a thought process. Please continue. You are right that promulgation of RTI Act is the best thing to have happened in our country. RTI act can change our society for good. Dear friend, it is chqanging. People qre feeling empowered.

What is an upper caste in modern India?

His supporters have attacked Kaif's house in Allahabad after Indian cricket team lost to SA. Perhaps by doing this they have served some dalit cause.

Only Hindu intellectuals find wrong with Hindu religion. They think that crticizing own religion is the only way to be known as intellectual. Normal people like me don't see anything wrong with Hindu religion. I see wrong with people who misinterpret and practice it in a wrong manner for their self interest.

Yes, Nitish's mother has become a role model for the people to fight to ensure justice.

Two lives lost. Who gained and who lost?

Dr. Ambedkar's stature in Indin politics and social reforms is so high that it is illogical to say that somebody can insult him. People like Ambedkar are above these petty human weaknesses. What happened with his statue and what happened after that is senseless.

I think only dalits should cry on dalits converting to other religions. They leave their faith in which they were born in the hope that their conditon will improve, but they remain dalit in adopted religion also. Earlier they were known as Hindu daits, now they are known as Chrisian dalits, Muslim dalits.

The problem which every member faced. Now it seems to be over. Back to my original User ID.

There have been differences between Shias and Sunnis for long. They have been fighting with each other on these differences. But I share your hope.

Main reason for division in society is false ego, that I am better than every one else.

Yes, lack of effective and efficient implementation is the problem.

Islam has different interpretations in different countries.In Saudi Arabia, a woman can not enter politics but in Bangladesh and Pakistan, women have become prime ministers.Stoning to death is permitted in Iran ans Saudi Arabia, but banned in many other Muslim countries.Now the question arises, which Islam and which interpretation is correct?

What you have stated in your reply is not relevant to the issue I raised and has been replied many times. Do you agree or disgree with what I say in my post?

Yes, ensuring social justice should be the first priority, but quota system will not bring equality in education & Job opportunities for the deprived class. So far, it has resulted in more disharmony in the sociey. It has also creted a special class of creamy layer, the new creed of brahmins who block quota benefits to reach the needy.

How sitting on floor can be considered as national insult?

Hate wll only destroy the hater.

Good analysis. Dalits should stand up as human beings and not as a group of opressed people prone to exploitation. They should not seek mercy in the form of resrvation but should demand a dignified life. They should see themselves as equal to others and not as a class which looks towards others for bread or shelter.

Dalits should have faith in themselves. After this will come self respect as human beings. They should see them as humans and not as dalits. They should not live on hatred towards others but on love towards themselves. Having faith or no-faith in Hindus is not going to help them.

Any social initiative, having political undertones and overtones,will create disharmony in society and is doomed to be a failure. What has been done for dalits is not under any genuine concern for them but only to gain political mileage. The result is that atrocities on dalits have increased.

It will be good if evrybody, people, beaurocrats,politicians also start using this Act, rather than creating hurdles in its way.

Role of CIC is becoming suspect in view of recent happenings. People have to be very cautious. India has a distincion for enforcers of law joining hands with violators of law at the expense of the interest of common people.

Lawyers are the main culprits for huge number of cases being filed in courts. They advise for litigation just to earn money even when there is no need of it. Consumer Protection Act was made to avoid the necessity of hiring a lawyer but now consumer courts are packed with lawyers. People should be cautious or else lawyers will spoil things in RTI cases also.

Blaming does not solve the problem. Individual and collective effort are required to improve the plight of dalits.As long as polticians continue making political capital out of this and people continue supporting politicians as per their political affiliations, this problem can not be solved. It will only deteriorate.

Current minister is not well as per gandhigiri. Let us pray for him.

You are right. People get what they vote for. Health care for mssses does not seem to be a priority for poliicians. They talk about it, provide some funds for it which goes in to their pockets and that is all.

This negative attitude is the cause of Muslims not been able to join national mainstream.

You are being ridiculus. Brahims of modern India are those belonging to creamy layer.

Yes, it is a game plan of secular Govt and Muslims upper class. It would be beter for you to find out what definiton Antuley has drafted for a backward Muslim?

Does Govt. realize that it has a responsibility towards corporate sector? So far, successive govrnments have only used corporate sector as fund providers for fighting elections and living in luxary. Now, with public sector drying up for providing any more quotas, it wants to use corporate sector to further their vote banks through quota.

You talk of Brahmins but do you really know who are the Brahmins of modern India?

The reservation and affirmative action are itself contradictory. To talk of ensuring social justice through reservation is another contradiction. Any programme, any scheme, any decision under these contradictions will only be contradictory.

Let us not only blame congress. Every political party and every politician is ensuring that minorities and dalits remain backward, as only then they can be exploited in dirty power games.

Court should decide before and not after, and for that purpose judge can discuss the evidence and purpose behind it with both lawyers in his chamber.

I don't agree. It is the paramount duty of the court to defend the victim when she is subjected to character assasination by the defence lawyer to confuse the issue or to malign the victim or with any other bad motive. How court does it is to be decided by the court.

System is already there. Only basis has to change from caste to economc backwardness. It can be done ovrnight if only vote bank politics is abandoned.

Creamy layer should be excluded at once from taking any more benefits of quot systemd repaced.Then reservation policy should be replaced by an alternative empowerment system covering all financially backward people, irrespective of their religion and caste.

It is a very good start, a trendsetter.

Yes, a peoples movement should be started to cut long term vacations in courts. Fast track and night courts will help clear the huge backlog.

It is a very good start, a trendsetter.

Politicians are not honouring judicial verdicts. They are out to oppose it, even going to the extent of putting it in 9th schedule to isolate it fromn judicial scrutiny.

All the opportunities are available now. People should work for it rather than waiting to be given on quota platter.

Yes, your observaton is correct.

Are you serious or being funny?

Bonded labour is an evil and so is the Devdasi practice. But by referring to these are you trying to jusify slave trade?

There is no validity of caste system as has been practiced and still being practiced in India. Your quote from ManuSmriti and Gita clearly speak against this caste system.

A person with negative attitude will only see negative.

Thank you for such a logical analysis of this situation. When a lawyer indulges in character assasination in the court it is the prime duty of the court to defend the victim and stop such attempt of such unethical lawyers.It is unfortunate that there is hardly any ethics left in legal business. The conduct of RJ, a very senior lawyer, might be praised by his unethical fraternity, it sure is earning displeasure of common men, and their faith in justice delivery system which is taking a hard beating.

Yes, the religion which is called Hinduism is an eternal religion, the Sanatana Dharma.

Agreed.

There is no is love and compassion in animal sacrifice. Taking away another living being's life is a crime against God. Such practices can not be a part of any religion.

Keeping other human beings as slaves and selling & purchsing them like a commodity is a blot on human civilization. It is a crime against God.

Who is a religious person, a person who claims that he is religious or the one who practices his religion the way it should be done? A religious person, as per my belief, can only be practicing love and compassion for others. Any person, who hates or cause pain to others, is not a religious person. You are right that discipline depends on a man's attitude but the right attitude comes from proper understanding of one's religion. There may be people who do not belive in religion but in their case also the right attitude comes from their beliefs of love and compassion for others.

To say that all religious doctrines are wrong and just woven to fool the masses is far from the reality. People either do not understand religon or talk such to serve their personal interests. Knowing religion is one thing but understanding it is quite different. Most people know religion but do not understnd it.

I will not speak on behalf of oher religions, but my religion 'Hinduism' does not encourage violance. It preaches love and compasson for all human beings irrespective of their religion.

I agree with you. Religion is purely personal whereas civll laws are applicable on the society as a whole. People, to serve their personal interests, put their personal beliefs above the civil law.This practice should not be allowed as it only creates disharmony in the society. Too much insistence on this wrong practice has created violance all over the world.

Religions are not bad for the Human society. Rather they are essential to keep the society within civilized boundary.

It is really shamefull that such things are allowed in the name of law. Those in legal profession, involved in such shameful acts, are putting their own fraternity and also society to shame.

Lawyers are educated people and they indulge in such shameful acts, in higher courts or lower courts does not matter.

I really don't understand that why courts give so much impotance to lawyers who can go to any extent of mainpulaing law, characer assasination of victims and working to derails the law process. Society should condemn such lawyers.

I agree with your analyisis.

I appreciate and share your concern and hurt over Ram Jethmalani's decision to defend killer of Jessica lal.But in the end he is a lawyer who fight for clients and not for the justice.

I am not in favour of reservation in any form or on any basis, certainly not based on religion.

And how this fair share will be given? 'Targeting the existing Bureaucracy' means what, and what is their recruitment policy in which they may have been partial?

Law is supreme. Any pracice, in the name of religion, if violates the law should be tried under the law and those who practice it should be punished.

I put up a question to them, should a civilised society tolerate murder of innocent people including women and children? What wrong security personnel do for which they were killed while defending parliament and politicians? What wrong common people do when they were killed in Sarojini Nagar and places when they went there for Diwali shopping? The list is very long. Can these suppoerters of terror and terrorists answer this?

Ram Jethmalani will raise many more such objecions. He is a lawyer, not inerested in justice but acquittal of his client.

You are right that getting emotional with terrorists means giving them another chance or chances to kll more innocent people.If Afzal is freed and he kills more innocent people (which he will do as he is a terrorist) then those asking for his release will be the killers.

Can a govt employee (cashier in this case) absent himself from his seat for so much time? Did TOI correspondent made a complaint in this regard?.

A good move. I will wait for your post after CIC gives its decision.

�RTI is for the citizen of this country", does this mean that a foreign national can not seek informaon under this Act? There are many MNCs operating in India under approvals and exemptions. The process has not been transparent. Can an Indian national also not ask for information relating to these approvals and exmptions?

Everybody knows it but act ignorant.Thanks, as such messages should be posted now and then to remind people.

Yes, acion should be initiated against the city engineer. I support Vivek on this.

There is nothing wrong in meeting the President and give him the feedback about one year working of CIC, but seeking sack of CIC himself is going too far.If there is a problem, it should be examined in detail to determine the root cause of the poblem. Then corrections should be applied. To prevent reccurrence of the problem appropriate corrective actions should be taken. Also to prevent occurrence of similar problems appropriate preventive actions should be taken. Asking the President to sack CIC is immatured an is not expected from these activists of high calibre. What CIC has said about one year's performance of his office? If he has not submitted his report then he should be asked to give such report. Let these people study the report and give their views. A joint exrcise hould then be done to determne the root cause(s)and to take appropriate corrective and preventive actions.

A negative view about RTI Act, but in a democracy you have a right to have your own views.

Thanks or a thought provoking article. For years, I have been giving this baksheesh without giving it a thought. At times, I have been annoyed also when they demanded more than what I gave them. It is right that RTI has some fundamental objectives � accountability, transparency, informed citizenry � that are essential for a healthy democracy and to contain corruption. People, like me, are also accountable for effective implementation of RTI Act.

What is the root cause of the problem and what right remedy you suggest?

Indian judiciary system is good. The problem is with justice delivery system. If only political ineference is stopped this poblem will also be solved. With state politians distributing free olour TVs, giving free power, it will be dangerous to allow states to have their own judiciary system.

Which brahmins you are talking about, the older day brahmins or modern day brahmins? Modern day brahmins are not asking for quota they are taking it by blackmail.

It is easy to abuse others. Also equally easy is to spread hate for somebody by painting him responsible for others' plight. Dalits are a deprived clss of Indian society. Those who claim to be fighting for dalits are all waelthy people. Have they contributed a single paisa from their pocket for the development of dalits? They are only interested in spreading hate and then encashing it in the form of votes.

Social justice can not be ensured by taking away from one person and giving it to the other person. It can be achieved only by creating equal opportunities and resources for every person.Reservation has created more social injustice.

This fraction of the society is called 'Creamy Layer', the modern day brahmins of Indian sociey.

Yes, as true leaders of dalits, it is natural to expect it from them.They should create these social standards for others to follow.

No society can ensure social justice on the basis of discrimination of one human being against the other. Social justice can be achieved only by treating everybody equal in respect of information and resources.

State level politcal parties are also adopting a policy of conflict with judiciary under the able guidance of UPA government at the center.

The logical and right solution to remove social injustice is providing information and resources to the needy irrespective of their religion, caste and other discriminatory practices.

I think first you judge yourself and learn to be rspectful to 'my fellow countrymen' as you refer hem here. You should also establish your credentials to judge ordinary Indians and nature of the Indian society.

You express your views. You have evrey right to do that. But your being abusive to ordinary Indians can not be appreciated. If you can not avoid using such abusive language then I humbly request you to withdraw from the discussion.

Mr. Abhijitbal, it is the expresson of peoples' anger against those who take away life of other human beings.I am sure you know that Indian law does not permit hanging in full public view with slow strangulation. The people here also know it.There is nothing mean and revendeful in what they say. If court awards death o the riminal then t will take place as per law. However, I object to your using the phrase - "how mean and revengeful ordinary Indians are. Disgusting....". You should be careful and avoid using such language. You can express your views without being abusive to entire ordinary Indians.

Yes, the role of public and media to unitedly fight to ensure justice for Mattoo, Lal and Katara is highly praiseworthy.However, you are right that awarding punishment is the prerogative of the court. But I feel that what people are saying here is not awarding punshment but it is an expression of their anger against the culprits. I wish people and media are united on various other issues of public concern also.

Yes, I agree that this practice of taking too long holidays in courts should be stopped.

Yes you are ight that gevernment and CIC should take a serious view on this issue and take stern action against the government officials who refuse the information on flimsy grounds. Only the fear of adverse action will force them to behave in a positive manner.

First, let me hank you for very informative posts on implementation of RTI Act. I agree that it takes time for any idea to take roots in a democracy and that interpretation of the provisions of any progressive legislation is subject to differences.But at least PM can advise states under congress rule and central governmnt departments to be more positively responsive in providing information. It is his job to control babus and congress politicians.

Shameful is the right word for the behaviour of these people.I wish to put my compliments and thanks to Mr. Shailesh Gandhi for his untiring efforts on making RTI Act a real usefull tool for the people.

Yes, CIC should be complimented for this decision.

You seem to be unhappy with RTI Act.

Failing states should be asked to explain to the public, why and who is responsible?

A very good suggestion. It will make filing an application under RTI Act very simple.

It is really something which only CIC can understand. For a common man like me it is a negation of the concept of RTI Act. The performance of CIC in first year of RTI Act is far from satisfactory.

Why do you say so? Is there anything wrong if entire examination process is made transparent? Transpaencyt gives credibility to any system, and in India examination system needs that credibility, in view of many scams.

The performance of CIC in first year has not been very encouraging. But the attitude of the police was shameful. It should be brought out who ordered the police to arrest these acivists. Let us hope that this year the act will be implemented in citizens-friendly manner.

Thanks for providing such detailed information about RIT Act in WB. It is Shameful.

Strict action should be taken against PIO and also Bolangir SP. No action against such people will send wrong signals to other people like them or else the Act ill loose its effectiveness.

Good bye. Rest in peace.

A good decision I think.

A thought provoking idea. The equality should be practiced on both sides.

If Kashmir does not need India then it will need Pakistan. And Pakisan will take away its identity.

Terrorists don't have any respect for the rights of innocent Indians. How can they and their supporters talk of human rights when they are punished by law for killings of innocent Indians?

You are right. Showing mercy on Afzal, an enemy of Indian state, will be a mockery of justice delivery system in India and pure discrimination against those who can not organize support of politicians and activists in their favour. It will also cast doubt on the credibility of due process of law, which has been followed.

No, don't ask him this quesion? People like him want more innocent people killed by Afzal after he is freed.

Why do you take one-sided view? Why are you on the side of trrorists who kill innocent people? Why don't you call upon the terrorists to stop klling innocent people?

Many people are convassing for Afzal. They want that he should not be hanged for attacking India's center of democracy, the Parliament. It was fortunate that he did not succeed in killing peoples' representatives assembled in the parliament, but many other Indians (security personnel)were killed in this attack. Who are these people and why are they are on the side of the enemy of India? Why are they not on the side of their country and innocent fellow citizens? Why they are asking Indian state to free him? Why are they not asking these terrorists to stop killing innocent people? Are they the other face of terrorism? Will it be right to call them terrorists without arms?

Mr. Maran, will you please inform whether any commission was appointed to inquire whether a political party is a traitor or not? If no, then there is no question of communists being pointed out as traitors by any commission. Also please inform which commisson of inquiry has exposed the crimes of the RSS? Regarding your indignation over blaming naxals as a part of communist parties, please remember your own continued blame game about VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS and BJP. If you feel pained then others also feel pained.

Reservation (Quota) ensures social injustice through discriminating one community against other. This evil has not been eradicated from Indian society, only its colour has changed. Earlier, dalits were discriminated against upper caste. Now upper caste is being discriminated against dalits. True social justice will be ensured only when there will be no reservation. Every Indian will be treated equal. When age-old social inequality will be treated by empowerment and not through reservation.

By citing these freedom fighters in relation to Afzal's case you have only succeeded in insulting them.

Rape should be seen as a crime and punished under the law of the land. The decision of the court is perfecly right and Imrana should be allowed to live a dignified life, rather than being forced to live according to wrong interpretations of Quranic teachings. She is a human being and has every right to be treated like a human being. I don't believe that any religion or its Holy Book including Islam and Quran teach to treat women in this in-human manner.People harassing her should not be given the shelter of religion but should be punished.

A democraic government always interferes in its autonomous institutions. In fact these institutions are considered a personal property of the minister in-charge and his secretriat in the ministry.

You are also right. Behind Manmohan Singh every minister is running his own government.It seems that Manmohan Singh is playing a political game as a non-paying captain, with Sonia Gandhi as coach.

Why postpone? Free him and as a return gift to his crimes give him Bharat Ratna.Also give him a judicial pardon for some more attacks in future on Indians and India's security.

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I agree with you that it is not correct to paint the Gujratis with a single brush. Why not brush away your misplaced hatred for RSS? If you discard hatred, you will see that RSS is a true nationalist organizaton and they do noy play communal politics.They want people of all religions to live as true Indians.RSS is a victim of communal politics being played by congress and other like-minded parties, who only have hatred in their stores.

Let NDTV create any topic for discussion, some people will bring RSS in to it. Such is the RSS-phobia these people are suffering from.Their entire thought process has been affected to such an extent that they can not think about anything except RSS. So much hatred. From where they are getting it?

No body is maligning Islam and Muslims. If Muslims feel so then they themselves are to be blamed for it. They should come out of the walls they have built around themselves and join national mainstream. Blaming RSS for their self-created problems is not going to help them. RSS has a ntionalist ideology and Muslims are an integral part of it. But Muslims, because of their misplaced concern, are guided by anti-RSS forces who create a fear in their minds about majority community. Fear gives rise to insecurity. Insecurity turns in to violance. This is what anti-RSS forces want. Indian Muslims should think and decide their own course of action rather than being guided by others.

The power of united people can force the erring police, Govt, politicians, judiciary to act in the right manner. Priyadarshini's case has enforced this belief.The people of India should preserve this unity and strengthen it. Many wars are yet to be won, and the enemy is still active.

Yes, the people of India will ensure that Sabrina and all others like her get justice.

I am the most happy person today. Thank you people of India. The people have united on this issue, and when people unite, it can move every thing, the justice delivery system, the investigative sytem, the conscience of the nation........ The rapist and the murderer should be hanged. And mind it, you so called intellectuals, no mercy appeals.

Minority appeasement under this Govt has reached such illogical and anti-national limits that SC had to intervene and comment that undue considerations to caste, religion and political loyalty are prohibited to be the grounds for clemency. President should be appropriately advised so that he is not forced in to an act which will wipe out everything he earned in his entire life.

Your anguish is shared by majority of Indians.

Ignore such empty pots who make only noise.

'non-patriotic people', the number of this tribe is increasing. Hear the shouts of pardoning Afzal!

'Big mouths' are like 'empty pots' who make only noise to come in news.

But the cry of these people is - 'Let the scarifice of those, who saved us, go waste. We are for minority appeasement as for us their votes are most important'.

Every state was an independent country, some decided to merge with India and some with Pakistan. Why special status to J&K? Self certification of 'speaking sense' is USP of some people.

I have never understood the need of starting new religions. If a person feels that there are problems in the society, he or she should work to remove those problems, rather than starting a new religion itself. A new religion divides society.

You have said it and said it right.

Not only at the expense of the victims the judiciary and law of natural justice, but at the expense of National Security.

What is your solution? Have you ever thought about kashmiri pundits who have been driven out of their homes?

Such statements are another form of terrorism.

Yes, no mercy on a terrorist. Think if he had succeeded!

Perhaps these dirty politicians deserve this.

Death to traitors.

I also have the same view.

Truth always wins. It can not be clouded by falsehood. It will be better for anti-Hindus to understand it.

I am in full agreement with your views. Arjun Singh, Mulayam Singh and others like them in congress and other parties have crossed the line which separates common people from terrorists. If such policies are allowed to continue then Indian Govt will also be seen as a terrorist outfit.

Who does not like to remain in power?

The model choosen by him for development was a great mistake, which was corrected to some extent by liberalization and globalization by successive congress governments.

Why one should be horrified over destruction of temples? It is secularism and Indian Govt is a secular Govt. In Delhi itself congress Govt has demolished temples and Gurudwaras at Yamuna bank.

You are off tangent. My issue is whether Manmohan Singh has reversed India's stand on terrorism. Vajpayee did not say that Pakistan is also a victim of terrorism. After Mumbai blasts Manmohan Singh blamed Pakistan and now he wants to sit with him to solve the problem. It is like police investigating a crime with the support of the main accused. Also, Manmohan Singh could not change western opinion on terrorism to India's stand. What he has done is to change India's stand to western opinion.

This is hight of obsession with previous govt. NDA govt did not do any such thing. This govt has reversed the long drawn policy of India on terrortism.Let us read the NAM declaration 2006 and then discuss.

You are right. If above exception is really a part of this declaration then what Manmohan Singh was doing there? Why has he consented to legality of pak sponsored terrorism in J&K? Why should India change its long drawn policy that every form of terrorism should be eradicated?

Why then it is restricted to a particular community only?

In the light of what has happened between Manmohan Singh and Musharraf, can it be said that India has reversed its policy on terrorism, and now will work with the same country which it has been holding responsible for terror attacks in India?

Decision has to be pronounced. The delay is sure bad and a mockery of justice delivery system.

What a young woman, whose family members have been murdered,can do against those who exploited her for their personal gains and then SC punishing her for being a victim?

It is really going across. Now terrorism has been divided in to urban and rural terrorism.

What they admit now is not important. The event has taken place. But one thing positive has come out of it. Sonia Gandhi has once again proved that she is not an Indian by heart.

What is wrong in independents taking over governance? Anybody who has the majority support of the house has a right to form the government.

It is a fact that Muslims find it difficult to integrate themselves with the society they are living in, but it is true only for societies in non-islamic countries. In Islamic countries, this problem is not seen. The reason behind this is their belief that Quran asks all Muslims to live only in Islam ruled countries. If they are forced to live in a country which is not ruled by Islam, they have a duty to bring that country under the rule of Islam. This belief does not allow them to join the mainstream of that society. They live like aliens in that society and work to bring that country under Islamic rule which results in violance against people of other faiths.

But why an union is required for addressing such issues?

Will you like to put forward few points in favour of banning the unions in colleges?

If pro-dalit people are really interested in giving justice to needy dalits, then they should force the govt to exclude creamy layer from SC/ST/OBC quota.Next they should force the govt to provide resources abnd information to needy dalits and their children at primary and secondary education level itself so that they get a level playing field when they compete at higher education level. I belong to upper caste but I an against birth based caste system. And it is not because of what you say but due to real concern for the backward people of India, and are included in this all those who are backward, be them brahmins or muslims.

People belonging to creamy layer in SC/ST/OBC are the modern day brahmins. Like brahmins, in earlier days, they are now blocking benefits of development to reach the needy SC/ST/OBC. Like brahmins of those days, these modern brahmins want to grab every opportunity and benefit under reservation policy. To fool needy SC/ST/OBC they shout for reservation but behind doors they force govt to keep them included in quotas. I wonder why these medern brahmins are not being condemned by pro-qouta people. Why some people are blind to these realities?

The problem is that some people only see those dalits who are still backward. They close their eyes to those dalits who have occupied and are ocupying higher positions in govt, bureaucracy and other areas. These are the people who , like brahmins in earlier days, are now blocking the benefits of reservation to the needy dalits. Reservation policy was adopted for a short period but extended to illogical time limits. Still people are fighting for its continuance. Why it should not be replaced by alternative schemes to benefit the needy. Why dalits are not being empowered at primary and secondary education level so that they become equal to other category people? Why so called pro-dalits want them to remain dependent on quota at the time of admission in higher education? Why in OBC quota, creamy layer is not being excluded? Think and try to answer these questions.

Yes, Lalu, Nitish, and many many more.

Six decades are not enough? Now creamy layer is blocking benefits of reservation to reach the needy. These people are modern day brahmins now. They are now doing what brahmins in earlier days did to backward classes. Unfortunately some people are not ready to accept the reality.

It is reality not myth. It is also true that majority of dalits are still waiting for benefits of reservation. But it is not due to FC but creamy layer in dalits itself. These dalits keep on garnering benefits of reservation inspite of the fact that they are no more dalit now.

That is the tragedy. Even after becoming president, ministers, bureaucrats, businessmen these people continue getting the benefits of their being born in a lower caste. These same people used to cry when in earlier days upper caste people used to deny them benefits because their caste. Now they are prodly claiming that they are backeard as they were born in a lower caste and will remain backward irrespective of any amount of education and money is given to them.

What they will tell the world, that before independence upper caste Hindus have oppressed them. Will they not be asked what is happening after independence? After independence it is so-called backward classes which have oppressed the upper castes with the tool of reservation. Will they tell that in last 60 years the situation has reversed and now the upper caste is being discriminated on caste basis? This wrong notion of 'caste by birth' has been given so much importance and power that a dalit remains dalit even after becoming President of India.

Unions and associations are tools for collective bargaining. I have always wondered what is there to bargain about in educational institutions. Students go to educational institutions to learn. Why should they waste their time and energy in playing politics? Allowing students union is a well thought-oot strategy to recruit future politicians, but in this process the acedemic environment of these institutions is being vitiated.Politics should be kept away from these places of learning.

No, simply being from FC does not give any body any right to get the top positions. They have to compete for these posts. But their competitive position should not be compromised by giving concessions to some people in the guise of reservation. Competition should be on a level playing field.

It is not necessary that all educated people will be skilled. It is also not necessary that all skilled people should necessarily be educated. I consider 'merit myth' a negative concept. But I don't support reservation on caste basis. All the people should be empowered to exploit their potential to the maximum advantage to themselves and to the society. And this empowerment should start at primary education level. But unfortunately, politicians are not doing anything at primary level as they want to use it as a vote capturing tool in the form of reservation at higher education level.

People live in slums not because they are born in a particular caste but because they are economically backward. Has anybody seen a economically sound SC/ST living in slums? The notion 'caste by birth' has created social injustice in the past and now also it is creating social injustice.

This negative mindset of 'caste by birth' will not go. Earlier FC people used it to to their advantage and now BC People are using it to their advantage. Narayanan's daughter entered IAS on the crutches of quota system. He became President of India but he was always referred to as first dalit President.

Yes, that question should be answered. Are PM and FM above the law?

Yes, you are right that cry about "centuries of oppression" is a carefully propagated myth to reserve political, economic and administritive power for the phoney backwards. In fact the so-called upper castes have become backward after independence.

They are not Indians. They are desi rulers of India.

All those who blackmail govt to introduce more quotas do not really believe in its benefits. They do it to secure their positions in politics. Can somebody say that earlier V P Singh and now Arjun Singh really have soft corners for dalits? They know it is dividing society, that it is creating hatred between social groups, that it is unjustice to deserving people, but they still do it as they find an easy way in it to secure votes of dalits. No pro-dalit leader will get himself treated by a doctor who got the job under quota system. They know his ability.

As a thouight it is very good but casteism can never be abolished. Earlier upper caste people were capitalizing on it by saying that caste is by birth - so deny them everything. Now lower caste people are capitalizing on it by saying that caste is by birth - so reserve everything for us.

What they have sowed will they reap now!

A very good analysis of the situation. Thanks.

Nehru, to become PM, created conditions for division of India. After India was partitioned and he became PM he continued with almost all the policies of Britishers. He was always anti-Hindu and it was natural for him to continue British policy of divide and rule.

People are as independent now as they were under British rule.

No religion is corrupt. Also politics is not corrupt. Corrupt are the people. If people want to live happily with each other, who is stopping them?

Nehru was no different from Britishers. He had same contempt for common people of India as Britishers. What happened on 15 August 1947, in real sense, was not independence but only a change of government.

Congress which fought under the leadership of Gandhiji is long dead. Congress of today has become a curse on Indian nation.

What you say is the truth.

Pampering of minorities has emboldened them to talk in anti-national tones. It will be no wonder when such people will be awarded Bharat Ratna by this anti-Hindu govt.

What happened yesterday (24 August 2006) in Parliament (LS) has embarassed me to such an extent that I am not able to face myself for the mistake I did in electing my representative to LS. I am sure that my fellow Indians are also feeling this shame. I wish there was a system of re-calling these shameless representatives from LS.

I agree with what you say, but for one thing - "our great leaders". There are no leaders now.

UPA government, it seems, is out to create records in introducing unethical and backward legeslations . The cabinet has approved quota bill, another backward step by UPA government. A very good opportunity has been wasted. It was the right time to review reservation policy and introduce alternative schemes to lift backward groups in Indian society. But for short-term political gains, the govt has sacrified long-term social gains of creating harmony in the society. It is very unfortunate that cabinet has not agreed with socil justice ministry's view that it should be ensured that benefits go only to most backward classes. The creamy layer has already taken benefits of this quota raj. Why they should be allowed to take it again and again where a large majority remains without any benefit so far? It is umethical and immoral on behalf of those OBC ministers in the cabinet and other polticians and groups to blackmail the govt to not to exclude the creamy layer from quota benefits. Just imagine, children of Lalu Prasad, Ram Vilas Paswan and others getting in colleges through quota route as though they are still backward.

After right sense prevailed and UPA govt dropped the idea (for how long is uncertain) to kill RTI Act, it is now the turn of SC to try to kill the act by seeking cover from giving information to people. SC has suggested three amendments to this law which if enacted by parliament, will strike at the root of the most important safeguard contained in the act. All public authorities including courts are subject to the jurisdiction of an independent appellate body. SC says that this appellate body in case of courts should not be Central Information Commission but its own registrar general. First politicians, then babus and now courts want that they should be above the law. If country's highest judicial body has such negative mindset then who will deliver justice to the people?

Quotas will never bring social justice whether implemented in a planned manner or any other manner. Quotas were brought in to correct an inequality in the society but have filed to correct it. The inequality is still there but in a different form. Earlier it was inequality between upper and lower class. Now it is between quota-class and non-quota-class.

Unfortunately, in modern India, such backwardness is considered a matter of right (perhaps pride also) as it gets the people education, jobs, promotions without actually working for them. Even after becoming President of India a person remains backward.

You sure are a freethinker.

Some people will still find something to criticize or else they will not live in peace.

After independence two main caste groups have emerged, one - vip, vvip, vvvip ..... and two sc, st, obc, mbc, mmbc .......

Yes, like secularism, social-justice has also become a convenient word for polticians to serve their vote banks. As in secularism there in nothing about justice in this term.

Why Indian govt. bothers about US opinion whenever it says anything related to terror or any other bi-lateral issue. When Indian govt. after Mumbai blasts blamed Pakistan then US (true to its double standards) said that it was not correct to blame Pakistan withouy first having proof. Laxman, the famous cartoonist then said - "OK, You have clear evidence that country is responsible for the bomb blasts. But how to announce it without being sure of what Mr. Bush's reaction would be to our revealing it?" Today also Laxman's cartoon says - "This writer has openly criticized Indo-US nuclear deal. DO you think, Mr. Bush will not take objection to it?"

Happy Independence Day to all Indians.

It is really very nice that so many memebers have expressed their views on what does independence mean to them. On 15th August every year India celeberates independence from a foreign power. But is India really independent of foreign powers, their pressure and pulls? Is India really independent from social inequilities, discrimination, communal hatred, violance, corruption....? Even on personal level, can anybody claim that he or she is really independent? So friends, in my opinion, on personal level we may have our own meaning of independence, but as a society, as a nation, India is still not really independent.

Terrorism is on Hezbollah side.

हम सबका यह कर्त्वय है कि हम सब मिलकर आतंकवाद का हर रूप मैं विरोध करें. किसी रूप मैं भी ऐसा कुछ न करें जिससे आतंकवाद को कोई भी मदद मिले. आतंकवाद मानवता का दुशमन है. निर्दोश लोगों का खून बहाना ईश्वर के प्रति अपराध है.

Israel's attack on Lebanon is not a terror attack. Terrorists attack from behind whereas Israel has attacked from the front.

And he may be posting a message on this board!

What do you mean by RTI Act becoming less and less pragmatic? I think that issues related to time period should be left to concerned PIO, appellate authorty and CIC to decide. You are talking of other side of the fence. Is it a war people are fighting with the govt?

What wrong is being justified by which another wrong thing?

Don't bring names into it. These are your words. I am not discussing Dr. Ambedkar here.

Mumbai blasts investigations are showing this trend. If some people want to remain blind to what is staring them in their face then who can help it.

Will you not like to comment on Sonia Gandhi using govt aircraft with Defence Minister and other govt functionaries in toe? She is not holding any position in the govt.

There have been people, in all ages, who could not understand religion and choose to criticize it. They will put blame on religion for all problems. They make religion a scapegoat so that real goats amongst them can escape.

The thing I am not able to understand is why India govt is not using this statement of LeT Chief to push forward its point that terror in India is coming from across the border.

It is funny to what illogical extent people can go to criticize someone they do not like.

Where did I quantify number of terrorists? I said their number is increasing. It is coming out very clearly in Mumbai blasts investigations. If some people want to be willfully blind to this then no body can help. By the way you seem to forget that you yourself have given a number, 1000 more terrorists after Godhra, in one of your posts under another topic.

In Britain, Muslims are being looked upon with suspicion but anybody doing it in India is painted as a communalist.

This minority is turning into majority. The number of active terrorists, their supporters, sympathizers, logistic-support providers is increasing manifold. And these are coming from local population. The day is not far when entire humanity will be running for its survival. No time should be lost in containing this threat to human survival. Each one of us should decide wheter we are pro-terror or anti-terror. No excuses, no arguments, only oppose terror by all means.

For that you will have to go to another world where there is no religion. In this world religion will always be there, you like it or not.

Even SC is finding it difficult to ensure that they are punished. The entire MCD is corrupt including its political bosses.

You are wrong. How can Allah asking for blood of innocent people be called merciful and great? Such Allah is in fact is a shaitan. Allah does not like hate and violance. Allah is love.

Yes, you are right. Blame for killings of women and children goes to Hezbollah.

You have raised a valid point and your analysis is logical.

It is my considered opinion. If my opinion is in agreement with your opinion it is good. Any convergence of views is always good.

LeT Chief (allegedly under house arrest in Pakistan) has asked India not at attack PoK terror training camps. He said that, if attacked, Indian PM will discover the cost of such adventures. What more proof is required that terror training camps are working in PoK?

Hitler did it in his lifetime. He is dead and so are his brain-washed followers. But Mohammad's brain-washed followers will harm the humanity till eternity.

But when terrorists attack India these nations ask for proof and praise Pakistan as being their ally in fighting terrorism. To hell with their double standards.

Even after this US will keep on supporting Pakistan and maintain double standards on terror attacks in India by Pakistan sponsored terror groups.

It is a brave act, to attack from front. The cowardly act is islamic jehad, attacking from behind. In both attacks however, innocent people are killed. Violance should be condemned but not selectively.

It really might prove very effective.

See the amusing part. Earlier, as per this article, people used to prostrate themselves before stones, idols, trees, animals, cows and cow-dung, and now they prostrate before his dargah at Ajmer. So what has changed?

Will you give some more details?

Another inefficient and money making institution. No Sir, it will not serve the purpose. Infrastructure to tackle floods is laready available with every city administration. But what they do, claim that all preparations have been made and then fail to handle first heavy shower. Rather than creating more departments it will be better to make people accountable in existing departments.

Yes, the development has not been planned and it certainly has not taken environmental concerns into account while taking over agricultural land and other open spaces for building concrete buildings.Your concern is genuine that we are slowly moving towards path of destruction.

What is amusing in this? It is normal behaviour in politics. The amusing part is that Prime Minister of India has not won an election in his life. He contested one election to LS and lost. Then he went to Guwahati and created papers that he live there to come to RS.

Natwar Singh is a politician and in politics such behaviour is normal.

Before firing rockets from backyards of homes, Hezbollah should have thought that Israel will attack these positions. Those who hide behind women and children are more responsiblke for their death.

How do you condemn the reaction of Israel and don't say anything about the action of Hezbollah?

I have always believed that only a handful of muslims are terrorists but recent terror attacks in India, latest being Mumbai blasts, have compelled me to change my belief. This handful number has increased to cover a very large section of muslims. I find it amusing that some muslims still try to justify these terror attacks and find faults with non-muslims of nursing hate towards muslims. I, for one, feel sad about increasing number of muslims going the violant way.

I tend to agree with you.

You can apply for copies of these declarations under RTI Act. If there are differences then you can ask EC why no action has been taken.

There is something wrong here. This man is out to create unnecessary trouble. It is better to ignore him.

It is a war and wars are always barbaric and inhuman. But still people engage themselves in war. Both sides jusify their reasons for going to war, and blame other side for forcing war.

It is not destrucive criticism. Mumbai administration has failed miserably in its job. In US it was a rare situation but in Mumbai it is a routine situaton every year.

Unprincipled negatism has become a hallmark of Indian politics. Polticians belonging to different political parties only blame other parties for every wrong and take credit for every right. To seek confidence of the people they find faults in others' policies and programmes. Hardly they explain their own policies and programmes. Recently Sonia Gandhi said in a public meeting that SP Govt at UP is a bunch of self-seekers. What about her own Govt at Center and some states, and if one goes for facts what about all other parties? They are all self-seekers. She further categorised SP Govt of being totally incapable of efficient administration. She charged it with feathering its own nest at the cost of the common men.She goes to the extreme, "UP Govt is not a personal fiefdom of any infdividual or a party". Now, you put 'Center' or 'name of other states' in place of 'UP' and that will be the right picture for all governments working in India.

Credibility or otherwise of Volcker report is of no importance now. Now this applies to Pathak report.

It should become a people's movement.

You are asking for apology from PM and his resignation. Has it been established that report was leaked by PMO?

Yes and that is why they are a criminal waste of public money.

I think it would be better to say 'pass the buck' report.

I don't know why my reply did not get posted. I once again say that you have already posted this message in this thread itself and there are some comments also. Why post it again?

File an application under RTI Act. Also ask him in the application, what is the Govt policy on air conditioner, fan and the lights keeping on in the offices when no body is there.

Yes, you can ask for a copy of relevant papers. You need to make an application and deposit the required fee.

Natwar Singh, former external affairs minister in Manmohan Singh's govt, is moving a previlage motion against Manmohan Singh. The issue is leakage of the report to media. Strange are the ways of these politicians.

We have been talking a lot about RTI Act. It will be advisable to get some personal experience to get a feel how it works.

It is half verdict. People know that only Natwar Singh was not involved.

Manmohan Singh might have assured Natwar Singh but why did he went with that assurance. How many assurances Manmohan Singh has given and hounoured as PM?

What UN intervention? Lebanon has rejected UN draft for ceasefire.

Yes, no comments. Religion is a personal matter and not a topic for discussion in an open forum.

It is a war. You can not blame only Israel for it. If war is bad then both parties should be blamed. Perhaps Hezbollah thought that Israel will also behave like India. And if kidnapping of two persons turned in to a war then Hezbollah is to be blamed for that.

Any action is bound to have a reaction. If the reaction is against humanity then action must also be against humanity. Both action and reaction are unjustified in this case.

Magsaysay Award is not given by Indian Govt, so what purpose will be served by returnimng it? The agency which gives this award appreciates and understands the importance of free flow of information.

This is the one of the most dark periods in the history of congress governance of India. Congress stand on criminals in cabinet, office-of-profit bill, amendment to RTI Act are some examples.

Every right thinking person should oppose this amendment.

Politics has become a dirty game now. It has affected every aspect of people's life. Even essential needs of the people like water, electricity, transport etc are affected by decisions taken purely to serve political needs. Conflict with Pakistan is also seen as a tool to take political advantage. These politicians don't thnk before opening their mouth and say anything which looks to them as bring some political advantage. True to their character, politicians are exploiting Kargil heroes and their sacrifices for political gains.

I am not saying any such thing. I believe in parliamentary democracy where people are supreme who have constituted the parliament for governance of the nation by people's representatives after proper debate and by majority opinion.

I second your appeal but will they listen? Why not create a petition on-line?

I support your views. Yes, it is time for our political and legal systems to jolt themselves away from this blissful complacency and speed up the justice in all cases of injustice, discrimination, violance...

Linking all rivers is very old proposal but no govt has given it a serious thought. They have no vision. They wake up only when there are floods.

Yes, there should be no sympathy for those who are directly or indirectly connected with terrorism.

From the messages posted it is seen that majority opinion on this board is that Israel attack on Lebanon (Hezbollah) is justified. Also people do not like the soft approach of Indian Govt towards terror attacks on Indian soil.

This expenditure is criminal waste of public money.

Why it is a shame to parliament? Shame should be on parliamentarians, govt or babus who have leaked it.

Why don't you file an application to know the reasons for delay? They may say that file is not avialble. Then you can appeal to CIC, who most likely will not accept this excuse. I have seen it in one case where a department gave such excuse and CIC did not accept this and forced them act and also made negative comments on concerned officers' performance.

It is not an Indian's voice but the voice of all Indians.

I will say that proposed changes in CrPC are a progressive step howsoever insignificant.

I don't think Indian judiciary merit thanks here as it is primarily responsible for the acquital and then long delay in this case.

Yes, that should be the spirit.

You are right. The amendment approved by the cabinet makes India the only democratic country to kill the free flow of information under a law of the land. You have rightly coined CGO and GCP for corrupt babus and politicians.

Please don't loose heart so early. Let us fight to keep it effective.

You are right. Also people are not required to state the purpose for seeking information. RTI Act is the most progressive legislation of independent India empowering the people to seek information about issues which are important for them as individulas and also as group of citizens of this country. People should use it without any fear.

The least Mumbai Admin could have done is - learning lessons from previous floods to carry out proper planning to handle floods in future, its effective & efficient implementation, regular monitoring and review. The admin failed on all counts.

The current issue is the leakage of Pathak Committee report. Let us see what govt says on this.

Hate is the reason of all violance in the world. Islam does not teach hate but some of its followers think otherwise. They think that violance against non-muslims will bring them nearer to Allah. If they start thinking in a positive manner then terror will automatically reduce significantly.

Yes, that is a logical requirement needed by the society. But politicians will waste this money elsewhere. If children belonging to under privilaged families are educated properly then they will not need any quota to enter centers of higher education. They will get admission anywhere on their own merit. This will kill vote banks endangering politicians' survival.

The united movement of the people in case of Jessica Laal, Priyadarshini matto, Nitish Katara have borne fruit. Cabinet has approved Crminal Procedure Code - only women judges to try rape cases, all victims will have the right of appeal against acquittal of accused, lawyers can accompany rape victims during in-camera questioning, video recording to be treated as evidence, witnesses can complain to magistrate if pressured by accused, statements of witnesses and accused to be recorded in presence of a magistrate. A progressive change no doubt.

If allowed to remain intact, RTI Act is sure an empowering tool for the people. But babus's govt is out to kill this most progressive legislation of independent India. It is sad that India will be celeberating its 60th independence day with people fighting with their representatives to protect their right to information.

About trade relations we have no figures but terror has increased with infiltration made easy by the bus service.

"War never brings peace, it is only a temporary settlement". No body will disagree with you. India is not going to war against terrorist for atacks on its people, but where is the peace? We talk and they kill. We create CBMs and they destroy confidence. Have you sought answers to these question in relation to India?

It is a good belief but try to sell it to terrorists/naxalites.

NGOs and social activists should help the common people in villages to get the benefit of RTI Act. There are some NGOs and activists who are doing this.

Even then it should not be quota but empowerment so that economically weaker people gets a level playing field.

Don't take it to heart. I hate violance. I felt miserable on the killings of children. But I feel that this war has been initiated by Hezbollah by kidnapping Isreali soldiers. You need not to prove anything to anyone. But you should remember that what people are talking here is in the background of Mumbai blasts. They are not against Lebanon. They want Indian govt to take actions like Israel has taken.

Who needs to uncover this open secret?

PM is right that RTI could improve governance, but will his govt. of babus allow it? Addressing Chief Secretaries of States in Delhi, Manmohan Singh described the act as "an important legal provision to promote accountability, and consequently promote attitudinal change". But amendment to exempt file notings indicates that there is no attitudinal change in PM and his babus.

My heartiest congratulations to Arvind Kejriwal for being selected for this year's Magsaysay Award for "activating India's right-to-information movement and empowering poor citizens to fight corruption". It is however ironical that when the world is recognizing efforts of peopleike him for making information easily available to the people, the govt is out to kill the act by approving an amendmrnt to exempt file notings from being made public. It seems that the fight is not yet over. Please unite to keep the fight on. We, the ordinary people of India, should support in any manner the soldiers fighting for right to information.

Ten rupees is not a big amount. Yes, postal orders should also be included as mode of payment.

You are right. To save this act, people should be united to fight this govt of babus from killing this act which empowers the people against corrupt babus.

Entire UPA govt is tainted and a liability on India.

Why are we trying to find justification or no-justification in another country's (Israel)attack on Lebanon? India is also facing same situation. We should try to find out the justification in Indian govt not launching such attack on terrorists based in Pakistan?

By remembering the ultimate sacrifice these heroes made for the nation. Remembering does not mean by saying few words on one day in the year and then forgetting them. Nation should do every thing for the families of these heroes which they would got when these heroes were alive.

Mumbai administration has once again proved itself ineffective and inefficient. Monsoion is a regular feature. The admin should have properly planned its actions with deadines, regular monitoring and review. A system should have been in place to introduce necessary corrections if deadlines were not met.The plan should ghave been made public so that media and public could also monitor it and provide feedback to admin. It is nothing but common sense management in which Mumbai admin has moserably failed.

It is really a shame for judiciary and government that cases in Indian courts drag on for long periods. The shame is compounded by no action taken by the concerned people.

History is full of such instances. Whenever people have stood up united things have changed. Have faith in yourself and your fellow citizens.

Stand by his side in his fight for justice.

You have raised valid questions. People have a right to know the answers.

Indian people are united to secure justice for Jessica, Priyadarshini and Nitish.This people's movement will continue till their murderers are punished for their crimes. It is now a war between people on one side and judiciary, police, CBI, lawyers on other side.

Yes, we should have faith in God. He is the ultimate judge and gives justive to everybody as per their actions. No guilty person can get acquital in His court. With people on the side of justice, the courts will have to agree to re-trial and the murderer will be punished.

Crticism is the back-bone of democracy and India is a democracy. What is your problem with the criticism?

Ignoring President's advice is sure a disrespect to his position. No MP should be allowed to hold any office-of-profit. There is no need for any list of offices wghich are exempted from disqualification. This provision gives a handle to already corrupt MPs to indulge in more corruption.

The only sane voice in the country today is that of the President. People should unite and strengthen his hands by creating a people movement in the country against office-of-profit bill. There is no time limit for President to sign the bill. He should put it in a drawer and forget about it. In the meantime EC should complete its examination and should recommend to the President to disqualify the MPs.

Is Delhi really interested in tackling terrorism? Currently the govt seems busy in protecting MPs and babus. Cabinet did not pass any resolution to condemn terror attacks in Mumbai and J&K but cleared amendment to RTI Act and ignored President's advice on office-of-profit bill. This government of babus, for babus and by babus can not ignore USA President's advice but has no hesitation in ignoring India's President's advice.

Why guess, it is a fact.

Save RTI will be a battle between people and babus with government for babus on babus' side. After all it is a government of babus, by babus and for babus.

Our nation is great. Shame only to investigating agencies (CBI and police), lawyers community, judiciary and those who lied in the court.

Yes, unity is the key. People should unite against the corrupt deeds of dirty politicians and babus.

Yes, invesigating agencies and judiciary should take strong action to remove this impression from the minds of common men that they are prone to influence of power and money.

I have requested Arvind Kejriwal and he has e-mailed this article and another article, which he has written today. Any member interested in reading these articles can e-mail me at suresh@betterlife4all.com.

I agree with you that it is a war between peace loving human beings and those in-human beings who feed on hate and killings of innocent human beings.

I am shocked after reading an article 'RTI law mutilated' by Arvind Kejriwal of Parivartan, an NGO working on RTI issues. Babus are not only attacking it from outside (recent amendment approved by cabinet) but have been muilating it from inside. Almost all Information Commissioners are retired babus. Many judgements of Central Information Commission are in violation of RTI Act. The article gives many examples. MB members interested in reading details can refer to TOI (Page 22), of Monday, July 24, 2006. If people of India want RTI Act to remain an effective social tool then it is essential that all retired and serving babus are thrown out of information commissions at center and in states.

I don't understand the attitude of judiciary in this case. Is not HC responsible for hearing the appeal which is pending for so many years? Why so much delay?

Yes, there is a silver lining. People are slowly emerging as a group and claiming their right to justice. Soon it will become a mass movement involving every Indian. Let us keep on uniting. Indian leaders have failed the people. Let the people tell them clearly that we do not like failures and those who fail. Act as per people's or move out.

May God give her the strength to speak truth.

You mean, Nitish Katara's murderers can go that extent?

I also feel the same way. Any supporter of injustice, irrespective of his position and profession, should be declared enemy of people. As a punishment, they should be boycotted by one and all.

Yes, you are right. These self-declared secularists are responsible for killing more indians by passively supporting the terrorists.

Yes, every single Indian should feel outraged like you. No body will then dare to deny justice to any Jessica, Priysdarshini, Nitish and other common people.

Yes, you are right. It is judicial terrorism denying justice to common people. We all are united in our fight against it.

That is the spirit. Keep it up.

It is proper utilization of time - people unitedly fighting to secure justice for Priyadarshini. They have succeede3d in Jessica Lall's case. They will secceed in this case also. It has become a people's movement. This will certainly set things right.

Priyadarshini's murderer is working as a lawyer. Is it not an irony that he practices the same law which he has manipulated/violated to save himself? With so much public anger, don't all those who conspired to save this murderer not feel ashamed of themselves?

Are you blind to people's support in Jessica Lall case and now in Priyadarshini case? Please visit and sign the on-line petition to demand a re-trial in this case.

I hope Indian govt behaves as Israel govt.

You are living in western world. It would be better if you read the history. People serving in military are also human beings.

You have said it. It is all vote bank politics which has made Indian politicians cowards in dealing with terror attacks.

India should learn from Israel how to defend country's hounour. But Indian govt crticizes Israel over attacks on Lebanon to get its soldiers relaesed. This sends a message to the world thatIndian govt will only talk and will never take a strong action against terrorists.

You are right. India has every right to bomb terror camps in POK and other parts of Pakistan.

Success of democracy in any country depends on its people. Democracy is a system of governance which people implement in their day-to-day behaviour. The government, the executive, the judiciary, the media and citizens, all have their roles clearly defined in a democratic setup. If people fail to discharge their roles in an effective, efficient and positive manner then domocracy will fail to deliver its natural benefits. In my opinion, the question should be - Have people failed the democracy in India?

Are you really so ignorant about the reasons of exempting file notings from the scope of RTI Act?

Fanatic muslim states are unleashing terror. Israel is only giving a suitable reply. Such a reply should also come from India but unfortunately current Indian government is not capable of it.

You are wrong. The honour of being the biggest trouble maker of the world goes to that section of muslim population all over the world who believe in jehad as a work of Allah.

That is a very good idea.

Thanks. I have signed it. Including me, 623 people have already signed it. MB members, please visit and sign the petition.

How sonia's critics have been proved wrong by her victory from Rae Bareli? Winning or loosing from Rae Bareli was never the issue. Moreover, if she can not win from Rae Bareli then she should retire from politics. The issue was violation of the law of the land. She has accepted offices of profits in addition to her being a member of LS. And on this she is guilty. By resigning LS membership the guilt can not be washed away. Now when she is back in LS, she and her party is amending the law to call the violation as compliance. Now she is guilty on moral grounds.

I extend my full support to Lall family in their fight for securing justice for Jessica.

Yes, fully justified. India should also attack terror camps in POK.

Let us stand united to secure justice for Lall family. United we will win and murderer(s) of Jessica will be hanged.

It is really unfortunate that justice which should have come to the people as a natural action has to be fought for. It is a blot on Indian judiciary that people have to fight for getting natural justice.

United, people have succeeded in Jessica Lall case. United, we will succeed in Katara and Priyadarshini Matto case also. So stand united friends. The criminals in govt, jusiciary, police, executive will not give justice to people untill unless they ae forced to do that. And only a united people can force them.

Yes, it is the time people of India should stand up united and prevent this govt of babus from killing this act.

Unite to oppose this anti-people amenedment to RTI Act. RTI Act is one such legislation enacted in independent India which empowers common men to fight for their rights and ensure justice to all. Save it from the babus and their government.

If we want that RTI Act remains an effective social tool then we should oppose this amendment in any way we can. Send e-mails to people known to you. Write letters to newspaper editors.

Anybody supporting terrorists, directly or indirectly, is a terrorist.

I extend my support to Lall family and pray to God for the culprits to suffer divine retribution many times over.

Citizens can beat babus but the peoblem is that every citizen is himself a babu from within.

It is not confused law. It is law violated by the govt, the judiciary, the executive, the politicians and the people.

You are right, but all of us should share the blame for this injustice. Let each of us look within us and find out what we have done to ensure justice in such cases. There is a link on another board. Visit it and sign the on-line petition for re-trial in this case.

Friends if you want that RTI Act should work as an effective social tool then stand up and oppose with all your might, the amendment approved by the cabinet. If this amendment becomes the law then this information law become totally ineffective.

Laxman, the famous cartoonist has said it - "OK, You have clear evidence that country is responsible for the bomb blasts. But how to announce it without being sure of what Mr. Bush's reaction would be to our revealing it?"

The UPA govt has dealt its first blow to RTI Act by approving this amendment. Govt wants to protect corruption as it depends on it.

I feel very strongly. I fully support re-trial in this case. I have also signed the TOI on-line petition addressed to PM. I request all MB users to sign this petition.

UPA Govt has dealt the first blow to empowerment of common men under RTI Act, by exempting file notings fron the scope of the act. What should I, a common man, say to this aam aadmi ki sarkar - thank you or shame on you?

Thanks. Someone has already filed an application under RTI Act to find out about gag on websites and blogs.

As per reported by NDTV on its website - "Wednesday, July 19, 2006 (New Delhi): A day after they were shut down by the government bloggers in India have decided to take action. A blogger in Sonepat filed a right to information application on Wednesday demanding to know why they have been blocked. A group of bloggers is also meeting in Delhi to discuss what will be their next step. The main questions that the application asks are: * Has there been a directive issued by the government to blocks certain domains? * Why has this blanket block come into force? * When will the block cease to exist? * What form of redressal does an Indian citizen have to ensure that these websites are no longer blocked? NDTV has learnt that the ISPs have been told to refine and target website blocking. Sources have told NDTV only four websites were to be blocked and that too only at the sub domain level."

RTI is a vey effective social tool. It will chnage the face of Indian society. I have high hopes from this legislation.

Eveybody in govt is trying to advocate reservation. They conveniently (but at the cost of social justice) forget that strong base building at primary and secondary education level is a must for higher education. Without this they will always need the crutches of reservation. At the second thought, these politicians also want that people are always dependebnt on reservations. Through this they do their vote bank politics.

Provision regarding covering of Private bodies under the RTI Act is - All private bodies, which are owned, controlled or substantially financed by the Government are directly covered. Others are indirectly covered. That is, if a government department can access information from any private body under any other Act, the same can be accessed by the citizen under the RTI Act through that government department. Is NDTV covered under RTI Act in view of above peovision?

People should use RTI and stop bothering about till when it will last.

Can anybody give me the name, address and other contact details of Public Information Officer in Department of Telecommunications, appointed under the provisions of RTI Act?

It is the duty of their elders to ensure that no govt is allowed to play with the future of children, who are the future of the nation. It is unfortunate that elders have failed the children. Now youth have taken up this issue in the form of anti-reservation movememnt. Providing primary and secondary education to all without any discrimination is one of the essential element of YFE movement.

People of India should not allow any reservation based on religion. It will be taking the policy of minority appeasement to illogical limits.

Observe two minute silence today at 0625 PM and pray for those who lost their lives in inhuman terorist attack in Mumbai.

It is a good legislation. But some people will find fault in every thing.

It is a very good suggestion.

Government should, no doubt, take initiative in this regard, but media, NGOs, social activists and people, all should contribute in the awareness programme. Many such groups and people are already doing it. Slowly more and more people are carrying this message forward.

Immediately after 7/11, the department of telecommunication issued a fiat to the 150-odd internet-service poviders to clamp down on a handful of sites, such as, blogspot.com. This site is very popular as a large number of bloggers create their blogs on thi site. I have also created number of blogs on this site. If Maha govt thinks that members of banned organizations were using certain blogs to transmit messages to their members then a blanket ban is not the solution. Bombs have exploded in some trains. Will govt stop running all the trains? This clampdown amounts to repression of free speech and Maha govt has overstepped its bounds. Many blogs are doing great social service.

One of the main objects of RTI Act is bringing transparency in administration. Awareness is also increasing about its benefits and more and more people are making use of this tool. Information officers appointed under this act are held accountable if infomation is not provided within specific time.

What then you propose? I hope it is not to scrap RTI Act?

Mr. A K Gupta, I find your message both interesting and funny - 'your country', 'your intelligence'. Has Musurraf appointed you as his agent on this board and with that have you ceased to be an Indian?

Trying, we should do. Success and failure come afterwards.

Yes, sunami has struck. Five people have died. Read the full story - http://www.ndtv.com/breakingnews/default.asp?refno=717200662154PM

Environmental abuse disturbs the balance in nature and it results in such calamities.

These issues must have been discussed in detail when RTI bill was introduced in Parliament. Now this is a law and people want to make use of it to know what has happened. Also, there is Central Information Commission which will look into the issue of what information should be shared or not.

For decades information has been kept a closely guarded secret. To open it to all is naturally being resisted by bureaucrats, who have acting as per their whims-n-fancies under the garb of secrecy. But the people, who are benefitted by the act, should use it with full commitment irrespective of any resistance.

Well said. It is only people who are insulted again and again by these politicians.

People can not wait for bureaucrats to become honest. There will be difficulties, no doubt in the beginning, but slowly things will set down. Fortunately Central Information Commission is doing a good job. Almost all its decisions are coming in favour of information seekers.

It will bring required transparency in the working. Ad hocism and decisons on personl whims & fancies will be reduced. People will know for their satisfaction that how and why a decsion has not gone in their favour.

Innocent people are killed in terror attacks. When union cabinet meets to discuss it these two ministers play their game of inciting communal hatred between Hindus and Muslims. They should be dismissed and treated like any other terrorist.

I hope you are not being funny. It is a serious development. Such children will be a liability on society as they will turn to crimes.

RTI, if used in a pro-active manner, will prove itself a very effective tool for removing various evils, such as corruption, from Indian society. Evils are cretted and fluorish in the absence of right information or on incomplete and incorrect information. This tool will enable people to get right information and it will create an atmosphere where it will be difficlt for any evil to grow or sustain.

You must write to Central Information Commission to get the right information.

This is an area which needs lot of improvememt. EC has failed to protect voters' interests. Their names are deleted even when they are having photo ID cards. Then somebody else will cast their vote and they will have to reurn just like that.Voters always get a raw deal whenever there is a problem.

As per news reports UPA govt has burried right to education bill to make way to quota in elite institutions. What is important the reporter asks - sending 17 crore children to school or vote bank politics. Answer of UPA govt is 'later'. The reason given is lack of funds. UPA govt needs lot of funds to implement quota in higher institutions so children will have to make sacrifice at primary and secondary education stage and take the seats in elite institution under quota. But here those children are also being forced to sacrifice who do not belong to OBC category. Their future is dark. The bill incidently would have made education a fundamental right for children in the 6 - 14 age group. Shame on Aam aadmi ki sarkar.

Yes, India as a nation should respond to this menace of terrorism. There should be no politics on this. Terrorists, their sponsors and supporters should be paid back in their own coin.

He should be sacked immediately. Indian people should boycott him.

The 14 residents of South Delhi Nehru Nagar - one of them eight months pregnant - went to discuss their problem with Delhi Jal Board but were arrested and spent four days in Tihar jail where they were forced to clean uoilets. These residents have not got a drop of water in their houses since January this year. This is the sarkar of aam aadmi. DJB officials were not happy as they dared to blame them for no water. The police was not happy as they were seen as trouble creaters (a pregnant lady amongdt them). The judge did not like them and sent them to jail. Terrorist strike and kill innocent people in one stroke. Aam aadmi ki sarkar kill innocent people slowly. What is the difference between this sarkar and terrorists.

Please don't highlight what is not being said. No body is blaming the entire muslim community. But it is a fact that pakistani terrorists get the logistic support of local muslims as without that it is not possible to carry out such terrorist attacks. Number of such muslims is not large but it is sufficient to convert terrorist plans in to killing of innocent people.

Please approach Central Information Commission.

You are right but quota traders are out to create divisions.

Indian politicians have failed the people, the society, the nation. You are right that these politicians have divided India in to bits and pieces. Today, peoples' repesntatives have become the worst enemies of the people. As a votor, I feel ashamed of elected representatives from my area. They have secured their positions by dividing the people to an extent that it is impossible to dislodge them. People get a chance once in five years to change them, but what good it brings to them? Nothing, a politician is defeated and another one is elected. All are same. Now the situation is that these politicians live in peace and the people fight for them. Even this board has been affected by this.

Yes, you can have access to these documents. You can also ask for the reasons of not processing your loan.

Information has been suppressed from the people so far. Now the people have a system of getting information which was denied to them so far. This act will make life tension free for the people as there will be transparency in the dealings.

It hurts me when someone tries to impose himself on an institution and especially when such a person projects himself as the sole authority and overall responsible for institution�s effective functioning. It further hurts me when this person claims that he is interfering in public interest. Union health minister Ramadoss is such a person who is imposing himself on India�s premier medical institution unmindful of the adverse effects it is having on the performance of the institution and patients� interests. If one goes by the aims and objects of this institution when it was created in 1956, Ramadoss�s political interference in AIIMS affairs is totally unwarranted, unacceptable, illogical and against public interest. Removal of Dr. Venugopal, Director AIIMS, has hurt the feelings of all those who believe that no body is above an institution and people of academic excellence should be treated with utmost respect. Additional Solicitor General appearing on behalf of the Ramadoss (unfortunately Indian government) said in HC that Venugopal�s removal was necessitated by �public interest� and his �miserable failure� as AIIMS Director. See what Justice Anil Kumar, who stayed Venugopal�s removal, said in reply to this submission � �Ouster of such an eminent doctor whose professional eminence fortunately has not been disputed by the respondents (Ramadoss & others) may be a great loss not only to the institution but to the general public at large. He pulled up the authorities for not producing any evidence to prove his poor performance as an administrator. He held July 5 action of the government to terminate Venugopal�s services as �vitiated�. He further held that Venugopal�s removal was against the principle of natural justice, as he has not been given a �reasonable notice and hearing� before the decision to remove him was taken. People of India should rise and protest against this naked political interference in India�s premier medical institution. If anybody is to be removed then it is Ramadoss.

What happened yesterday in Srinagar and Mumbai has hurt me. I was not present there physically so no harm came to me physically. But I felt as though the blasts have ripped through my entire existence, the body and the soul. All my countrymen and people outside India, who believe in love, must have felt the same. With hurt I am also feeling ashamed that those who killed innocent people are human beings like me. Hate is ungodly. God wishes all his children to love each other. He does not sanction hate. Any human being indulging in hate is committing a crime against God and His will. What these killers of humanity have achieved? If they think that they have done what their God wished them to do and will be pleased by their act then they are mistaken. No God will be pleased with those who kill His children. If there is such a god who is pleased by these killings then he is not a god but Shaitan. If they think that they have served their co-religionists here, in J&K or in their own nation then again they are mistaken, as nations are not built on hate. We know it. We have seen it. They built their nation on hate by carving out a portion of united India and the result is there for everybody to see. Day and night, they are only thinking of how to harm India, and for this purpose they spend lot of their energy and resources which could have been used for building up their nation. Their primary duty is for the well-being of their people but this hate has blunt their thinking and today they can not think anything other than hate, hate and hate. They say that they are Muslims and are carrying out the work of Islam. They have become so blind that they do not see that long back they have ceased to be Muslims. A Muslim, by the will of Allah, is required to love and not hate. How can a Muslim claim that he is a Muslim, as he believes in Allah and then go out kill Allah�s children? Today, by their hate-acts they have given a bad name to their co-religionists all over the world. People of other faiths see every Muslim as a terrorist, look at Islam as a religion of violence, a curse on humanity and a potential destroyer of all human beings. This is what these killers have achieved and will continue to achieve for themselves, their religion and their nation. Hate only destroys. To build there is only love. I ask every Muslim to rise against these killers and warn them not to use the name of Islam or Allah in their hate-acts. Muslim communities all over the world should declare these killers as children of shaitan.

I wish to congratulate YFE for seeking information, under RTI Act, from HRD ministry and other government bodies about Ramadoss�s misuse of his powers and anti-people actions, and also ill conceived anti-people reservation policy. The office-of-profit act will surely nail Ramadoss. He has parked himself in AIIMS Guest House, appointed an OSD to be paid by AIIMS funds and brought his relatives into the AIIMS governing body. If this is not office-of-profit then �� YFE application also seeks information on � �we want to know exactly what he is entitled to and why. SC has ruled that the health minister could become the President of AIIMS by default but the AIIMS Act was later amended to say that no body in the governing body was allowed to hold a government position. YFE also want a clarification on why the minister landed up in AIIMS during anti-reservation strike for treating patients there. How could he treat patients at AIIMS just like that? Does that mean that any doctor can come and start practicing at the institute? Other YFE application seeks all relevant data about reservation. This I am sure will expose the government and Arjun Singh.

Shiv Sainiks have been hurt by this cowardly act of some anti-social elements. But the way they have expressed their hurt is wrong. Violance is no answer to hurt. They could have organized silent protests and prayers. But Shiv Sainiks have used this incident only to show their power. This in my opinion is nothing but showing disrespect to the memory of Mrs. Thackeray. Their violant protests have put them in the same class of those anti-social elements who insulted her.

The hurt and the expression. I fully sympathize with you.

No, he did not. Don't get your facts mixed up.

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This topic has become irrelevant. What was to happen has happened. Delete his topic.

Thanks for the correction.

Oh dear, it is certainly not that bad.

But seeing only negative is certainly not the reality of 21st century India. The reality of 21st century India is looking at things in their right perspective and not with a pre-set negative angle.

Yes. You may file an application to know the details of inspection carried out by Drug Inspectors of the hospital pharmacy and verify if it meets the provisions of Drugs & Cosmetics Act. This will put some fear in the minds of these bribe demanding inspectors. Any mistake on their part may put them in trouble.

I agree with you that people should use this instrumwent to force those in power to behave and act in peoples' and national interest. There may be obstacles but people should not loose their faith in RTI Act.

You say most of the politicians, and I say all politicians.

You really work hard to see negative aspects in any thing.

I am totally against strike. It is a negative way of showing dissent. People are opposing dismissal of Dr. Venugopal beacuse it is an unwanted interference in the working of AIIMS autonomy. People do not like the way Ramadoss is behaving. In my opinion, UPA government and Ramadoss is much more responsible for the strike. If the situation was handled in a responsible manner then there would have been no strike. If anybody should be dismissed for strike then it is Ramadoss.

Yes, you have said it and said it right. Will the premier medical institution of India be allowed to be destroyed because of the ego of a politician who has become minister in a political give-and-take game?

This government will also continue for five years against the people's wishes.

As per an article written by Shekhar Singh in TOI of satusday, 8th July, Administrative Reforms Commission (ARC) has made at-least three such recommendations, in the name of strengthening the act, which will fundamentally undermine the RTI Act. It seems that bureaucrats will not give in easily and will keep on creating obstacles in the path of free flowing information.

Any government which can not satisfy basic needs of the people has no moral right to be in the seat of governance. Present UPA government has lost every moral right to be there. It came into governance by sheer manipulation of numbers and now trying to save itself by threats of these same numbers. It has become a coalition of various governments headed by respective alliance partners with Manmohan Singh as a non-functional captian of the loosing team.

I only wonder whether we have one government at the centre or every minister is running his own government? Sardar Ji seems to have been made only a 'mukhouta' to showcase that it is a government for aam aadmi.

Will MK play the role of left now?

I have very high hopes from this measure. Free flow of information is a must for any society to develop. It removes suspician which creates rift between human beings. It will keep babus and politicians in check as they will be knowing that any time anybody can look into what they have been doing. Thgings are not going to change as a miracle but slowly there will be a change in peoples' attitude. On our part, let us use this instrument in its right perspecive and for betterment of all.

Has the Principal Secretary replied to your e-mail? I am asking this as I am still waiting for reply to my request made to IRCTC.

The government is not ready to reduce tax burden on fuel. It puts heavy taxes and make fuel very costly and then give subsidy to oil companies. The pocket of common man is picked and proceeds are shared by oil companies and government.

It is the collective wisdom of common men which changes the society. Free information sharing will make the process easier. RTI Act is a positive instrument. Ley us use it to change ourselves and the society.

A petition has been created on-line for sending to the President and Chief Justice of India, asking them for re-trial in this case. Her murderer is roaming free and is working as a lawyer in Delhi court. It is a blot on INdian society and judiciary. Join the fight for justice. Sign the petition. http://www.petitiononline.com/mattoo/petition.html

Another case is BJP asking for information in Election Commissioner Navin Chawla case under RTI Act.

Will you please give the details.

It is being used for general public welfare.

You are right. Some NGOs or social workers can take up this job of educating and assisting common people in such areas.

Yesterday I saw on a TV channel how a rikshapuller has used RTI Act provisions to get his dues from the government.

You are forgetting heavy taxation.

Terrorists have no respect for any religion. They commit crimes against humanity in the name of God, the creator of the human beings.

You have rightly analyzed the issue. It is sad that government and court both have dealt with doctors in a shameful manner. Doctors certainly deserve a resapectful treatment. In my opinion they are fighting against an evil in the society for which politicians are responsible.

MCD and Vigilance Commission have been pulled up by Rights Commission for adopting delaying tactics in giving information under RTI Act provisions. This shows that bureaucracy is hell bent on defeating the purpose of this positive legislaion. CVC, which always talks of transparency in other departments, is itself working in non-transparent manner.

No body will disagree with you that evil caste system should be destroyed. Rather everybody on this board has agreed with you on this point. You should now move further and come out with some prcatical solutions to eradicate this evil.

This minister Ramodass has no respect for promises made by the PM, Manmohan Singh and the directions given by SC. He should first apply, 'No-work no-pay' principle to 'Lok Sabha' and 'Rajya Sabha' where work is disrupted as a routine and the people are made to pay them. His interference in the autonomy of AIIMS is totally unwarranted. PM should discipline his indisciplined health minster.

You forget that doctors have worked day and night after the strike was called off. They were not paid for these extra working hours.

But appointing and publishing the names of APO/PO & the appeallte authority is a mandatory requirement in the RTI Act. How come Orissa government is violating this mandatory requirement?

Well he gave an excuse - that he forgot to file IT return.

I am not putting blame on congress only. Every political party is to be blamed for this. What I said in my message that congress has abandoned the policy of its great leader Rajiv Gandhi. It is a total turn-around of what Rajiv said in his speech on caste-based reservation when congress was in opposition. Now why congress comes in front of any discussion on caste-based reservation is due to the fact that it is the ruling party today and is pushing caste-based reservations.

But how this all evil,corrupted caste system will go? Who will push it out - the people, the government, the politicians? Do you have any suggestions in this regard?

Why ask for the seats? Why not ask for equal opportunities. Asking seats is certainly asking for charity. Asking for equal opportunities is a matter of right.

I fully agree with your views.

I will agree that it is not lack of merit but lack of 'opportunities', but reservation policy does not bridge the gap. It widens it.

Who is justifying the fuel price hike? Not the common man who has been worst affected by it and also price rise in essential commodities and vegetables.

Yes, it will bring transparency in governance and transparency will reduce corruption.

I fully agree with your views.

RTI Act has certainly empowered people. But more awareness is needed. At the same time the resistance from the departments has to be faced by the people, where information is not coming out smoothly. Concerned officials try to delay giving information on one pretext or the other. One has to be determined to get the information.

Now CWC has also blamed Delhi Govt. The blame game was started by Sonia Gandhi and was taken up by one and all.

It is not people on this board only but Comgress Working Committee has also blamed Delhi Government for price hike.

Now congress-led UPA government at the centre and Delhi's congress government are putting blame on each other for price hike in vegetables and other essential commodities.

Meira Kumar is the daughter of Jagjiwan Ram. She has taken benefits of reservation throughout her life. Now her children are taking these benfits. Is it not shameful for her, an ex-IAS, now a minister, to continue to take advantage of quota and denying this to the real needy? Now she wants to increase reservation % for SC in view of the increase in their population. If she and others like her (creamy layer)stop taking reservation benefits then increased SC population can get benefits without actually increasing the percentage.

Congress high command has taken a poor view of Delhi government's failure to act against hoarding of commodities and deliberate ramping up of vegetable prices by profiteers who have taken advantage of seasonal supply shortfalls. This clearly indicates that price hike is artifically created and in this anti-people act both the profiteers and Delhi government have colluded to serve their vested interests.

Pro-reservationists please answer.

A war has started in congress for claiming credit for introducing 27% reservation for OBC. Before this war turns uglier, congress should frame a policy for giving credit to its ministers for their self-less service to Indian society for introducing and/or supporting reservation. Existing reservation percentage for SC, ST and OBC should be introduced in this case also. All SC, ST, OBC and general category ministers should be given credit only as per this percentage. This will be an example for other parties and groups to follow. To further honour these social reformers, UPA government should start an award, in line with Padma awards, for these people.

It is surprising that govt was not monitoring the price hike of pulses and vegetables. Other political parties were also sleeping on this. Even media had failed to pick it up. People have been feeling the pinch for quite sometime. This deafening silence on the part of these agencies suggests that some vested interests were working behind doors. Fuel price hike was the last straw on camel's back. Aam aadmi ki sarkar has forgetten aam aadmi.

I was surprised when I found that it was said by Rajiv Gandhi in 1990, when he was participating in the debate in Parliament on Mandal report. Now after 15 years, the ministers in the government of his own party are doing this - provoking caste wars. Arjun Singh and Meira Kumar are competing with each other in doing what V P Singh and ministers in his government did at that time. The chairperson of congress at that time opposed it. Now the chairperson of congress is supporting this. And incidentally, they are husband and wife. The politics of power brings out surprising attributes in peoples' thinking and action. If caste-based reservation was wrong at that time then how it can become right now, in a span of just 15 years. Is this the real face of congress - divide the society on caste lines and rule?

The resignation, the re-election are all over. Let us devote our time and energy to some other good issues.

Studying in reputed colleges certainly helps as propsective employers prefer students coming out of these colleges. If some one gets internship in a good company and proves his or her worth then it will be a good opening opportunity. But the information you are seeking will not be avialable on this forum. For that you must contact someone on NDTV staff.

Elections are over. A new govt is in office. This topic can now be deleted from list of active topics and put in archive.

Joining good college and having right skills both are important.

Sonia has proved herself wrong that she had sacrificed her LS membership.

NO, No, No, No, ...........No,.....

President has forgetten that Indian people do not respect him as he is President of India, but for his personal qualities and as he is a good human being. His approach on reservation is baffling. He can resign on this issue. That will raise his status to the sky. Simply repeating what this useless govt is planning to do is lowering his status in peoples'eyes.

Quotas can not ensure social justice. They can only shift social injustice from one group to another. As a side effect they create hatred between people.

PM has completed a formality by expressing shock at the murder. This is the maximum this government can do.

The recent kidnapping and killing of an engineer shows that the security given to Indians in Afghanistan is not foolproof.

I join you in the prayers for his speedy recovery.

The people pay.

Leader telling followers - I resignand you tout it as a sacrifice. You don't resign and keep on making money by sticking to all offices of profit.

These politicians have polluted democracy to such an extent that it has started stinking. They manipulate not only people but democratic institutions as well and put them against each other.They have divided society in to so many groups that it is difficult to count. Country's future is not safe in their hands.

"Discouraging her partymen to follow her", why?

I pray to God for his early recovery.

Politicians see politics as a business and not service. For them being in politics is also being in power. Untill unless this mentality changes nothing good can be expected from politicians. Thanks for your good wishes for india nd Indians. I reciprocate the same.

I thought that SC has settled all these issues.

No, Sonia Gandhi and her congressmen will be there along with left MPs and MLAS.

You are really funny asking a politician to donate.

There should be a penalty for delayed justice also. Anybody found responsible for creating situations which result in delayed justice should be punished.

I fully agree with you. They are representatives of the people and are required to act as their role model. If such people will become lawless then what ideals people will have to follow. In my opinion they should not only be sacked by criminal cases should be initiated against them.

Congress chief has done sacrifice.

Selective and sponsored!!

Sardar Sarovar Dam is a reality now. NBA activists and other people should realize this and concentrate their efforts on rehabilitation of displaced persons. SC is positively inclined on this aspect. Central government is surely indifferent to the plight of displaced persons. UPA minister has proposed stopping the work at dam. It was almost done but for Modi's protest which was later joined by congress leaders amd workers. PM has also shown an indifferent approach by putting the ball in SC court. SC has taken a balanced approach. Concerned governments including central government should learn from this and discharge their duty to rehabilitate displaced persons in an appropriate manner.

In India muslims are already getting much more than what other muslims get in declared Islamic states.

Yes, this is unethical. The rules benefitting MPs andf MLAs should be vetted by another constitutional authority or there should be public hearing before a rule is made.

The easiest way for citizens of Delhi or any other city is to stop providinbg any direct or indirect support to terrorists. Terrorists need place to live, money to buy explosives, transport, communication equipment and various other necessities. All these are provided by local people under some misplaced beliefs. If people decide to isolate the terrorists they can not stay in a city even for a minute.

Congratulations and thanks for posting such a nice analysis of this issue.

By resigning she has avoided enbarressment of being disqualified. She has been violating the law for quite sometime by holding many offices of profit. Praising Sonia Gandhi for this is a bad reflection of the mindset of a large section of Indian people.

It makes me sad. What has happened to Indian pride? Perhaps it is the effect of Kalyug. Tricksters are respected and their tricks are termed as sacrifices.

I think it is justified. There are other ways to earn a honourable living. Government should create better employment opportunities.

When political leaders found doing unlawfull act and resign, it is called sacrifice.

Adevani is perhaps motivated by his earlier yatra and feels that this yatra will also be successful. In politics strategies never become obsolete. See minority appeasement and reservation for building and nurturing vote banks.

Politicians do not sit at home. See the case of V P Singh. He can hardly move outdoor but reached the Yamuna bank to protest against removal of jhuggis as per court orders.

Till when Indian people will be casting negative votes?

If government does not let vote bank politics to mess up the academic standards of the institutions of academic excellence then how it will get votes of OBC voters. Muslim votes are already divided between many secular parties.

Court might have declared it illegal but the ghost of Bannerjii commission is going to haunt the people for quite some time.

BJP is an opposition party and will always target her. What is wrong in this? If she is upset on such targetting then she can sit at home. BJP did not invite her to come in politics.

She will fail if judged on your criteria.

I think SC should close down High Court and other Courts in Gujrat and shift them to Delhi to be under direct supervision of SC and various secular organizations.

Perhaps these people are feeling sad on the suicide committed by Kar Sewaks by torching the train from inside!!

And see the foolishness of judiciary who has declared this commendable job as illegal!!

urfunny, what is the meaning of 'a lie' after your sentence?

What is imaginative about them? Political will is must to ensure that the project of Disaster Management Mechanism is successful. Information to the people is an essenial element of this mechanism.

I find disqualification of Jaya Bachchan highly discriminatory. Only she has been disqualified out of many complaints. Why EC is dragging its feet on other complaints?

Who is bothered about these things? Buta Singh recommended fresh election in Bihar and UPA government ordered huge loss of money and man-hours. Lalu ordered a parallel commission of inquiry which has now been declared illegal by the court. They are touting Sonia's resignation as sacrifice. A person sacrificing a position does not go for the same post. Sacrifices are done for higher values.

Will you please give some examples of public welfare?

I am sure they will.

What about the violation of law of the land?

Will you please give some examples of public welfare?

What about the violation of law of the land?

India certainly has capability to handle natural disasters. The only thing needed is poliical will. A disaster management mechanism is being put under place. Let us hope it reaches its logical conclusion.

It is not right to give credit where it is not due. Her resignation was to pre-empt disqualification. She all along knew that she was breaking the law and did not resign till all her efforts failed to save her LS seat. Every politician in India is holding public position for personal gains. Is public position necessary to do service to the people and the nation? Politicians draw salary and all other perks due to their LS membership and other offices of profit.

An intelligent message from an intelligent person.

Baneerjee commision is a glaring example of how politicians waste public money to serve their personal political interests. A commission to prepare a made-to-order report. Now HC has ruled that commission itself is illegal.

Rahul is a politician. Successful poliicians speak in the language of their voters. It is the people who allow themselves to be made fool of by these politians. Rahul will become PM and these people will make him PM. People like you or me can not stop this.

Agreed

I agree with your viewpoint.

Since when Naradmuni has started looking in a crystal?

Why have you excluded LS?

I think those who claim that they will sweep the polls should also sweep the streets.

My answer is that she is like any other Indian citizen. Many people are crying as they feel that she is more important to them than their nation.

Sacrificing LS membership and going to Rai Bareli for creating grounds for again becoming LS member somehow does not fit in the definition of sacrifice.

Yes, people on these boards do not stick to topics. There is a reason for it. Messages are not posted easily on all boards. On some boards messages will not be posted, on some boards messages will appear after sometime, and on some boards messages will appear immediately. So people try to discuss all tpoics on the board where there messages are immediately posted. I have written to Admin and Moderating Team on these boards about this problem, but no response.

Bah, sacrifice and compromise together!!!! An interesting concept. Who are the other 9 visionaries?

I support disqualification of all MPs and MLAs who are holding any other office in addition to their membership of the house.

Yes, it is nothing else but drama. Sacrifice is an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else more important or worthy. In this touted sacrifice, what has been given up - membership of Parlianment. Now what is that something more important or worthy for which this sacrifice has been made? What she has immediately announced is that she will again fight for the same post.

It is only she who hears her "inner voice". People only know what she tells them. There may be a big difference between the two. If a politician has moral then he or she will no longer be a politician. And she is a politician.

I agree. There are many more President's references pending with EC. Let us see what decisions comes from EC on these.

What is refreshing in Sonia's resignation? As a MP ignore the law and accept office of profit. Then continue violating the law till a complaint is made to President. Then adjourn parliament sine die, abort the budget session to bring an ordinance to change the law. When it looks a certainty that President is going to disqualify then resign and say I have made a sacrifice. While talking of sacrifice say that I will again contest the election.

Not all are frighting. Some are sincerely trying to discuss it. I am one such person. I have been hurt by the way this resignation has been touted as a sacrifice. It is the hypocrisy of these leaders which hurts me. they calim to be the role models for the people and behave in such disgraceful manner. This forum enables me to express my views.

I don't know what type of strategy is this. But I know that there some gol-maal and an attempt to fool the people.

Exit of Sonia Gandhi from LS had become a compulsion under Disqualification Act. If she had not resigned than she would have been disqualified like Jaya Bachchan. But she and her partymen have touted her resignation as a sacrifice. This is in bad taste. Such acts/claims are not expected from those who are projected as role models for the people.

People (including PM) claim that Sonia gandhi is the tallest leaders in the country. But such statements are unbecoming of such claimed person. Gandhi ji (Bapu) never said any such thing any time about himself. People saw his doings and followed him.

Yes all should be disqualified as per law. But the problem is that UPA government who should respect the law is hell-bound to violate the law. For congress and left parties individuals are above the national interest. It is unfortunate that such parties are in power.

or else should be disqualified from LS.

I support Jaya Bachchan's disqualification from RS as EC and the President have considered it and found that such disqualification is in order. I will also support disqualification of Sonia Gandhi and others from LS/RS if EC and the President consider it and find that their disqualification is also in order.

Congress has gone to that extent to save Sonia Gandhi, who was projected as a moral leader and an example of sacrifice. As per a news item Congress has locked the Parliament, aborted the budget session to violate (which congress calls amendment) the constitution to change the law so that their leader can be saved. What can be more shameful than this? I will also call it anti-national as an individual has beem made more important than the law of the land.

Why this 'But' Mr. Mayavi?

Gujrat HC has ruled that constitution of Banerjee panel is illegal as there is no provision for such a panel in the law.

Yes, are are equal in law. Why not issue a notice to Sonia Gandhi and others who are holding more than one office of profit?

It is said that by sentencing Zahira to one year imprisonment SC has set a precedent for lying under oath or for contempt of court. So many days have passed but there is no single punishment given to any other person. People are lying in court day in and day out and are committing contempt of court.

Yes, you are right. Every political party has suffered vertical splits except BJP. This is the unique strength of this party.

Yes

Yes, why not SUO MOTO action in all such cases? They say law same for all. Why EC does not practice it?

A very good suggestion.

MCD officers have made a fool of SC. Every decision of SC and every instruction given by SC has been exploited by these officers to make more money. See one example. SC instructed to post the details of unauthorized constructions on Website. MCD officers fanned out in entire Delhi and started collecting money from people or else their property will be included in the list.

I don't think anybody can insult Jesus, Ram, Buddha or Prophet Mohammad by making cartoons about them. These icons are above insult and respect. It is funny that people see themselves as their protectors. The making of cartoons and violant protests have not served any purpose. It has only added more hate to the hateful world. It has only affected the people and not these icons.

Which communist says so?

Minority appeasement policy is a major contributer to terrorism in India. Terrorist can not operate without logistic support of Local mualim population. Muslims put their religion above national interests and do not hesitate to support terrorists considered jehadis by them. It is this appeasement policy which has made muslims bolder to give a communal colour to India's foreign policy. Communists have openly supported violant demonstrations against Indo-US nuclear deal.

Congi-Commies provide moral support to terrorists through the policy of appeasement. From my point of view any body providing any support (direct or indirect) to terrorism is a terrorist. How such people can be expected to fight against terrorists?

I posted my views but these are not seen on the board. It is very frustrating. One wastes so much time and energy to think and write views and then finds them not posted on the board.

Your observations are very near to the truth. Muslims keep their religion above national interests. Then they interpret Islamic teachings in a manner which is conflicting with Indian constitution. This is wrong but the policy of appeasement make them more bolder in making illogical demands on the country in the name of religion. This trend should be reveresed if we want India to prosper and peaceful.

This ghetto mentality has become a hallmark of the fundamentalism being practiced all over the world in the name of Islam.

Yes, the message has rightly been rated as offensive. It is also lacking national character.

I support Jaya Bachchan's disqualification from RS and I also support disqualification of all such members of LS and RS. I don't support EC's discriminatory approach of recommending only one case. It puts EC's credibility in doubt.

Your messages seem to be part of a brief.

It is a report made on order.

Left parties and their support parties in India have manipulated the anti-cartoon domonstrations to give a communal colour to India's Foreign Policy.

If followers of one God wants to please their God by attacking followers of another God and His places of worsahip then I think we should leave it to these Gods. Let them settle it amongst themselves.

She lost many members of her family in riots. She lost her brother last week. She has been jailed. Her sister has been asked to appear in the court and most probably she will also be jailed too. The justice really looks funny in this case. I also have a feeling that court has become prejudiced against her and wanted to teach her a lesson. The punishment should be appropriate to the crime. One year in prison and Rs. 50000 fine is too harsh.

Yes indeed.

A nice way to put things in the right perspective.

I congratulate you for posting such a positive message. I have, on my part, trying to motivate people in this direction. I am happy to see another person on this board having a positive attutude towards problems.

SC found Zahira the right case to set a precedent to retrieve the loosing confidence of people in judiciary. It is another matter whether it will restore the confidence. So far, a laege section of people are looking at this judgement yet another case of poor being punished and rich going scot free.

I have been sending lot of feedback about the problems I face in posting my messages on various boards. Sometime the message will instantly appear on the board. Sometime it will appear after few days. Sometime it will never appear. No body in NDTV has cared to reply to my feedback and what I am supposed to do to ensure that my messages are instantly posted. Can anybody in Board Admin and Moderating Team help me? It is really frustrating to waste lot of time and energy in writing a message and then to find that it has not appeared on the board.

To understand this you will have to join a crash course in international politics.

Take one case, the opposition to Gujrat riots. Was it silent?

Poor Zahira was made an example. Let us see if some big people who have lied also jailed.

She has been punished. Now I will like to see what punishment is given to those lied in Jessica's murder case, Mattoo's murder case and various other ongoing cases involving big people.

A prejudice had been created for Zahira from the day she retracted her first statement based on which the case was fought. Zahira was seen as the softest target to set precedents amd to upheld the rule of law.

SC thinks that jailing Zahira for telling lies in the court will set a precedent. Let us see what actually happens.

SC had to set a precedent and who could have been a better person than Zahira to set this precedent. SC said that an impression has gone to the people that only poor are punished and influencial people go scot free. SC feels that it is sending the right message by putting Zahira in Jail. As per Teesta she is a part of very influencial group.

Cetainly not fair. Paying the price of being the majority community in a country which is run on minority appeasement.

If you can not see the opposition by Hindus to any wrong act committed in the name of Hindutva then you must be blind.

Cetainly not fair. Paying the price of being the majority community in a country which is run on minority appeasement.

Yes. It should fully utilize this positive development to further strengthen its position.

Having no political will to deal with the truth has nothing to do with democracy. It is a typical negative mindset.

A thought provoking message.One should be honest enough in giving credit to Gujrat and its people for its achevements inspite of so many adverse happenings.

Show some maturity Mr. Afshan and learn to use right words. You have a right not to agree with other opinion but show some restraint.

What are you trying to say Afreenjalal?

Show some maturity Mr. Afshan and learn to use right words. You have a right not to agree with other opinion but show some restraint.

Burning with hate helps only in loosing the logical thinking Mr. Afshan. Whom you are accusing of remaining silent? Every act of fundamentalism by a section of Hindus had been opposed and condemned by a large section of Hindu population. But in case of such acts by Muslims how many muslims come forward to oppose and condemn? You can count them on fingers. No body has seen the cartoons. But when Muslims expressed their anger on these cartoons, Hindus in India have shared their indignation and condemned the cartoons. You do not appreciate it but start throwing accusations on Hindus. See the case of this board.More Hindus than Muslims on this board have condemned this act of insulting the Prophet. But the violant demonstrations against a state guest and hurling abuses on him can not be justified. India is building up a strategic partnership with US and Muslims of this country come out on streets and do their level best to insult the US President. Can you take your own advice and condemn what happened in Hyderabad and Lucknow? Do you have that much courage?

I do not agree that it was a state organised crime. No state can indulge in such acts. If we look at various communal riots in various parts of India, it is observed that successive administrations, due to various factors, have showed a biassed approach in handing riots. This bias has been in favour of both Hindus and Muslims. In case of anti-Sikh riots at Delhi the then administration was biassed in favour of those who were out on streets killing Sikhs. In many riots in different parts of UP the then adminstration has been biassed in favour of Muslims and Hindus have suffered huge loss of life and property. In many other riots it has been the reverse. Gujrat riots have been misused by all political parties. There is a clear bias in their approach. If BJP sees it as an opportunity to strengthen their Hindu vote bank then Congress and other parties look at it as an opportunity to strengthen their Muslim vote bank. It will be better to forget Gujrat riots as people have forgetten many other riots.

People have been demanding it for quite some time but Shiv Raj Patil was unmoved. Now Sonia Gandhi has come in its support and Patil is singing a different tune. It is unfortunate that people voice is ignored and government takes action only when some VV..IP comes in favour of such voice.

One of my friend from Tamilnadu tells me that both DMK and AIADMK are devils and people elect them turn by turn.

An intelligent analysis my dear.

Your concern is misplaced.

No I don't agree with Banerjee report. It is a report made to order. He has not been able to find out the cause of fire if it was started inside the compartment. There are many unanswered questions. Lalu is playing politics with such a tragedy where people were burnt alive. It is inhuman.

Who stooped down in front of US President and where did you see them stooping down?

Lalu's inquiry report is on expected lines. Mr. Banerjee said in a TV interview that he was asked to determinehe cause of fire and he has given his report for that. But newspaper reports say that Banerjee report is silent on this aspect. He has only said that fire was an accident and was caused from within the compartment but how he had not been able to find out. What a waste of time and money. Banerjee has failed the people.

Who stooped down in front of US President and where did you see them stooping down?

Details of Indo-US Nuclear deal are coming out - No cap on India's N-arms programme, India can call it off if fuel supply stops. These look good.

From the details coming out about the deal it looks as it will strengthen Indo-US relations.

Getting easily provoked is normally seen as a weakness which is invariably exploited by people having narrow interests to serve. Muslims have exposed their weakness of getting easily provoked over alleged insults to their religion. This weakness has been exploited by politicians in India time and again. It has kept muslims away from national mainstream. In my view Muslims are themselves resposible for their pitiable condition. As per an old saying, they should first help themselves and then only God will help them.

What has happened in one country was projected by the media in such a manner that it has reached all corners of he world. No body in India has seen the cartoons but based on what media told them they came out on the streets. One minister has even given a call for murder.

Yes the deal looks fair from outside. You have rightly advised the government to follow your 5-point charter.

Truth should never be blocked. It should be presented in a truthful manner.

Why it will be binding on India if US congress does not OK it? Any agreement is binding on both parties. If one does not honour it then other party is also not under any obligation to honour it.

Self restraint is always better. Media should understand its responsibility especially in view of its strong impact on readers and viewers.

There is no case for not punishing them. The case is how to punish them.

It is their way of reporting events in this part of the world. We should read it - India and US finalises nuclear deal. Let us see how Indian media reports this!!

There is no case for not punishing them. The case is how to punish them.

A very emotional message. No need to bow your head in shame and no need to apologise to Jessica family, as you were not responsible for the injustice done to her. Instead join the people who are fighting for re-trial of the case so that she can get justice. Show your solidarity to the cause - send SMS, write a letter to Jessica's sister, display a banner at a public place.....

Yes. US, through this treaty, is working to create a market in India for nuclear reactors and fuel. Bush has brought CEOs of companies manufacturing these items along with him. They want that India should become totally dependent on them for any needs in this area. India should ward off any pressure and ensure that its interests are protected.

Yes, I hope court will consider all related issues.

West is always busy in teaching others what they themsleves do not practice. Doosro ko naseehat khud miyan fazeehat.

Delhi Police Commissioner has given an assurance that witnesses will be given full protection!!

West is always busy in teaching others what they themsleves do not practice. Doosro ko naseehat khud miyan fazeehat.

The case is opening up. Investigaing officer and prosecutor are talking now. It will be difficult for government and courts to ignore purlic outrage. Also in best bakery case, notices have been issued to two hostile witnesses.

Jessica Lal's case is the first test and will tell us whether Best Bakery case is going to set precedents for such other cases.

It is expected that everyone will benefit out of budgetary outlays but it does not happen always. There should be a close relation between outlays and outputs. Successive budgets keep silent about the outputs of outlays made during previous budgets. There should be a public mnitoring and review mechanism to keep an eye on outlays and their outputs.

You are right.

PM, yesterday in Parliament, has assured the country of equal partnership with US. As per this assurance he will ensure that: a) India's strategic nuclear programme is not compromised, b) There are no impediments in the way of R&D activities, c) Fast breeder reactor programme to remain out of safeguards list.

Something is happening. Yesterday LS and RS also came in support of re-trial. Almost every section od Indian people is now enraged on this injustice and demanding re-trial. HC has alreadsy issued notice to Delhi police. It will be very difficult for concerned authorities to ignore the public opinion. I wish that Indian people rise against all such anti-people acts. They should assert their right to a clean governance.

Please don't be so provoked to title your message - "Shame on India". India is our country, our mother. You can not say "Shame on Mother" for shameful acts of the children.

Test case is Zahira Seikh and her mother who have been served notices for turning hostile.

Yes, removing root cause is very important. But some penalty has to be imposed on lying under oath as a long term measure.

Yes, reassure the Indian people.

Yes, removing root cause is very important. But some penalty has to be imposed on lying under oath as a long term measure.

Strong words but not very far from truth.

Yes, no more discussion on Amar Singh. Let police and law take over. Top priority today is to exert pressure on government and court to deal with the issue of hostile witnesses and order re-trial in Jessica murder case.

Yes, reassure the Indian people.

Strong words but not very far from truth.

Protection of the witness is very important. With public outrage on Jessica's case the government has come under tremendous presuure to make provisions to protect the witness.

I agree with your observations. There should be no hidden deals. The tearty should be in India's interests.

People certainly need to be more cautious.

This topic is listed under hot debates on home page. The topic has become cold. The government at the center has not been affected.

Let us hope that government does not take any decision which is not in Indian interest under this pressure.

This topic is listed under hot debates on home page. The topic has become cold. The government at the center has not been affected.

People certainly need to be more cautious.

Let us hope that government does not take any decision which is not in Indian interest under this pressure.

The politicians would have made the law if it was not going to affect them.

We are not poor and we don't need anybody's money. We should earn what we need and that should be with dignity and self-respect.

What guaranty is there that a person will live the next moment?

Indian criminal justice system is not that bad. It might need some changes here and there. What is bad is - Justice Delivery Mechanism. It needs a thorough overhaul to protect it from powerful violators.

What is the other side? Please tell us.

Religion can never be banned. Religion is a set of various concepts which teach to love and respect each other. You can not ban this. What should be banned is intolerance in the name of religion.

We, in India, supportive of Jessica's cause really appreciate your support. Thank you friends.

In Hinduism, there are different ways to perceive and reach God. One view says that God is Nirakaar (has no form). Other view says that God is Sakaar (has a form). The middle view says that God is Nirakaar but different people perceive Him in various forms. Sant Tulsidas has said that God is Nirakaar but assumes form to come and save His Bhaktas from Demons (Avataars). A Hindu does not see any conflict in these views.

Yes. If we really wish to stop terrorism then we will have to do detailed cause analysis, determine steps to be taken to remove each acuse and then effectively implement these steps. Opposing terrorism here and supporting terrorism there is the fodder of terrorism.

Injustice has been to Jessica Lal, her family and friends. But for some it has brought awards. The judge has been promioted to High Court.Timing of the notification announcing his promotion has raised many questions. If the judge has not delivered the judgement before his promotion the case would have been heard by another judge. The police officer, who investigated and botched up the case, was given plum postings including a trip to Bosnia on deputation.

I am all for the re-trial and that should be outside Delhi, may be in Mumbai like Best Bakery case.

Yes. I fully agree with your views.

Giving false evidence under oath should attract major penalty.

Yes. I fully agree with your views.

Yes. Re-opening of Jessica Lal's murder trial will be the first case to set precedent for Best Bakery case.

Your question is very valid. I have also been asking this question but no body has come forward to reply it. I believe that many muslim themselves act in a mannre which is insulting to their prophet. Actor Farookh Seikh has said so in a TV discussion in relation to recent violant protests over the cartoon. The way majority of muslims world over are behaving it seems that a faithful muslim should be violant for anyone having a different faith. This goes against their claim that Islam is a tolerant religion and teaches universal brotherhood.

Yes. Re-opening of Jessica Lal's murder trial will be the first case to set precedent for Best Bakery case.

Yes

The right priority indeed!

Yes, it will.

Yes

The right priority indeed!

Yes, it will.

A cautious media is the need of any society. Its news ceates a very strong reaction. See the case of cartoon. So many people are on the streets. So many have violant. Open call for murder are being given. How amny people have actually seen those cartoons? It is only the news on media which has created such mindless frenzy.

Will these dirty politicians leave any sector unreserved?

Mr. Advani is no more leading BJP. This topic should now be removed from the board.

Can anybody have a doubt about crucial role media plays in today's society? This role is so crucial that it puts many riders on how media should report. Any irresponsible reporting can play havoc in the society. See the latest cartoon issue. No body in India has seen those cartoons but media has created such environment that Indian muslims have started violant protests and are damaging private and public property. One minister of a state government goes to the extent of announcing a huge reward for killing the Danish author.

It is like cutting the branch on which we are sitting. We pollute water and the polluted water pays back. But people do not see beyond their nose.

Yes, you are right.

But congress is proud of all which you are holding against it.

History repeats itself. Wait for the next cycle.

But congress is proud of all which you are holding against it.

History repeats itself. Wait for the next cycle.

He can certainly negotiate. The question should have been, 'Will he?'.

Agreed.

Whether an official is corrupt or not will be known only after dealing with him. However, the organisational culture in MCD has become such that the perception of the people is that all officials are corrupt.

Nirav, you originally belong to this region but how often you visit it? I think you can be a right person to tell us about the local conditions there. Tell us about the environment there and any adverse effects of previous dismantling on the environment and health of people. Shekhr, I will agree with you about the synthetic concern of various NGOs towards human issues. But one should appreciate them to the extent that they are raising these issues. Their protests have stirred your feelings but tell me are you taking some actions to mitigate the problems of the people working in these yards?

I will agree with you about the syntheic concern of various NGOs towards human issues. But one should appreciate them to the extent that they are raising these issues. Their protests have stirred your feelings but tell me are you taking some actions to mitigate the problems of the people working in these yards? You call these proests unjustified. But what justification you are doing to the cause?

You orginally belong to this region but how often you visit it? I think you can be a right person to tell us about the local conditions there. Tell us about the environment there and any adverse effects of previous dismantlings on the envirinment and health of people.

What - Corruption in MCD, Who - Corrupt MCD officials, Where - Go to MCD office. How do you check it whether a bone in a MCD official is honest or dishonest?

You have said it.

I think an hollistic approach should be adopted while dealing with the problem of illegal consructions. The government, MCD, the court, the builders , the people, all should try to find permanent solution rather than taking such actions which can only bring short term gains. The entire issue is being handled in a discriminatory manner. Destruction can never bring improvement.

What lessons you want congress to learn?

He served them with full loaylty. He created a report out of nothing so that they can enjoy. But when time came he was sacrificed.

How?

Has Bhardwaj been retained in the cabinet for this reason?

You are asking too much. Sacking corrupt officials, in a system where corruption has been institutionalized, is a very difficult task. Who will sack whom. All are corrupt. So far not even a single illegal structure of a politician has been demolished.

What information has been leaked out?

Enemies? There are no enemies in politics only friends. Asking for resignation is an act of political convenience not enemity.

Is he a hot-tempered person? Suppose he had not resigned, what central govwernment would have done?

How do you boot out a governor who has been and sill is on the retainership of 10, Janpath?

Evil can not be justified. Any attempt to justify evil is evil itself.

Any government employee who is found negligent in performing his assigned duty should be tried as per rules. MCD officials should also be treated in this manner.

It is not Manmohan Singh who is running the government. It is the "Reward System of 10 Janpath" which is running the government. All loyalists have come back in the cabinet. Bharadwaj and Patil,should have gone but the system retained them. Buta Singh is also on 10 Janpath retainership but he became a liability in changed circumstances so he had to be sacrificed. But he should not loose hope. He will be accommodated at some other place.

Let us keenly watch the result of notices issued to VIPS/VVIPS.

Right action at right time will always lead to the right result. In this case neither the action was right nor the time.

Why do you call it a shameful exit? God gave him an opportunity to sacrifice power for the party which has given him much more than he deserved.

You may be right. One should never underestimate a politician. A politician can be at rest only when he is put to rest by the God.

No, no other heads will roll. Congress has given so much to Buta Singh. Giving away his governorship for saving these heads is a small price to pay for all that.

No, he should also resign from politics.

They call it governance with a human face.

Are there any illegal constructions in these areas built by politicians?

Probably Karnaaka governor does not want to meet the fate of Buta Singh!

Do you mean to say that Buta singh is a victim of fight between judiciary and legeislation?

Then congress should immediately get a report from Karnataka governor and get the assembly dissolved to hold fresh elections. But there is a catch here. It may go Bihar way.

In such decisions timing is crucial. Buta Singh has failed to take that advantage. He has let the time slipped by. He took a right decision but late. The late decision has exposed his weakness for power and that he has taken it under force and not on his own. His conduct has certainly not been graceful. The government under Manmohan Singh should not have made him governor. By doing so he has umdermined the position of this constiutional post.

Buta Singh has taken a right decision but it is late. He has also not taken it on his own. Circumtances have forced him to resign. This is not graceful.

Buta Singh as Governor, Manmohan Singh as PM, congress as ruling party have all become role models for the people to disrespect the law. TOI has correctly analyzed it in its editorial (26.01.06).

Yes, if he has any self-respect and country's interest in his mind.

YES.

Politics is another name of governance through conspiracy.

I agree with you.

I am in agreement with your analysis.

All are aware that law of the land says that one is innocent till proved guilty by the due process of law. But it has become a favourite passtime of all to play "you are guilty", with media in the forefront.

I is natural. Any organization will break when an individual becomes more important than the organization. Organizations should be known by their policies and programmes and not by few individuals. It has happened with BJP (Bajpayee and Advani). Now it has happened with Shiv Sena.

I wonder what people would have said if he had called for a Hindu CM? Would he had been labelled as Communal, or this title is reserved for RSS/BJP only?

What would you say about allowing women to serve liquor in bars in Delhi?

What was taken away from women in Mumbai (dancing in bar) has been restored by Delhi HC allowing women to become bartenders.

India is a secular country but its politicians are not.

Why not reserve the posts of CM of some states for muslims? Andhra Pradesh can set an example. This will be called communal secularism.

The miracle is waiting to happen.

Infighting and downfall are integral to all political parties.There will be no party where infighting is not there. There will be no time when there is no infighting in a party. Likewise, no political party can remain on top or bottom for an indefinite period. There was a downfall in congress to the extent that people have almost written it off. Now congress is in power. There was a time when BJP was at the top. Now it is struggling to find its base. Downfall and rising to top are natural phenomenon.BJP will come out of the present situation. In how much time and with what dispensation, only time will tell.

"Italian Master", yes, it explains the scenerio.

You are watching his publicity stunt. This means that he has been successful in getting the publicity.

As per latest estimate submitted by MCD, about 80% properties in Delhi are having illegal portions. If demolitions are to be completed within SC timeframe then they should use bombs. As far as corrupt MCD officials are concerned they should be nominated to Lok Sabha nad RajyaSabha.

You are right.But why such concern is not shown in case of known criminals in the parliament and the government?

Listening to what people are talking on phone is not only against civilized behaviour but also a violation of human rights. NHRC should take cognizance of this issue and seek clarification from the concerned authorities. As far as people engaged in harmful activities are concerned the phone tapping can be legally done under a specified procedure.

It may be a political conspiracy. The allegations may be unwarranted. But the issue should be seen as an attack on citizens' privacy. Listening to what people are talking on phone is not only against civilized behaviour bu also a violation of human rights. NHRC should take cognizance of this issue and seek clarification from the concerned authorities.

We should no draw hasty conclusions. Phone tapping is a serious violation of peoples' freedom and rights, and it should be addressed as an issue.Passing judgements influenced by our likes and dislikes of people and parties will only confuse the issue.

The Volcker report is an extension of domestic corruption to international corruption. Ever effort is being made to confuse the issue to such an exent that the real issue will be lost and never the real picture will be known. In a rare case Indian parliament expelled MPs found involved in corrupion of taking money to ask questions. Such action should be taken by the parliament in this case also and MPs inolved should be expelled.

There are conduct rules for government employees. MCD employees are also covered by such rules. Action should be taken against erring employees for dereliction of duty which is a misconduct under the rules.If an illegal structure comes up in the area under supervision of an employee then this is a clear case of dereliction of duty. And in this case it is alleged that MCD employees were in league with people engaged in construction of illegal structures.

Parliament has expelled some members (so far unknown for bribe taking)for taking money for asking questions. But why action is not being taken against known criminals in the parliament and the government? Will Manmohan Singh answer?

The reason is simple. NHRC will not like it.

Discrimination has become a habit with politicians and Manmohan Singh is not an exception. He joined other politicians to expel those poliicians (unknown so far) who were found taking money to ask questions in Parliament. But he always defends known criminals in the parliament and the government? Manmohan Singh is a good person but he has failed to become a role-model for the people.

Discrimination has become a habit with politicians. They joined to expel those poliicians (unknown so far) who were found taking money to ask questions in Parliament. What about the known criminals in the parliament and the government? Same politicians do every thing to save them.

I am also facing the same problem. I posted he following massage: "Why discriminate - Discrimination has become a habit with politicians. They joined to expel those poliicians (unknown so far) who were found taking money to ask questions in Parliament. What about the known criminals in the parliament and the government? Same politicians do every thing to save them."

The question wih an obvious answer.

Bihar elections are over, and so is over the concern of politicians for the killing of innocent people in the train at Godhra.

More than 35000 sikhs were killed when Rajiv was PM of India. For days he did not do anything to save them except saying that when a big tree falls small plants are destroyed. The same congress party is now accusing Modi of mass murder. All congressmen and women should hang their heads in shame on such double standards. Killing of innocent people is a crime against humanity and God. Anybody responsible for such killings is a criminal and should be dealt with under the law. Modi's conduct is under the scrutiny of law. Rajiv's conduct should also be scrutinized by the law. The argument that he is no more has no validity. Afterall he is being praised for his good work. Then why not he be criticized for his in-human acts?

It is too early to pronounce judgment on the Seer. The case is in the court. Court will determine whether he is guilty or not. It is not decent to abuse him or call him names.

Dialogue is an essential part of confidence building between any two people,groups or countries. We all hope that this visit of Wen Jiabo will herald a new era between Indian and Chinese relations.

But don't you deserve best governance?

Can you name one constitutional authority whose role has not been a setback to Indian democracy at one time or the other?

Do people of India not deserve the best?

Congress-NCP alliance promised free electricity to farmers during elections. Now the alliance, once came to power, is going back on its promise. This is outright cheating. The sad part is that the alliance is being proud of it. CM Deshmukh has said that it was a "mere poll promise". Now these politicians have stooped so low that they make promises during elections to garner votes and then go back on them by saying that these were only poll promises. Are poll promises not meant to be kept? Congress-NCP alliance has insulted maharashtrian farmers. It has openly abused them. If the government can not keep its poll promise then they should opt out.

Taking away a human life is a sin against God. When a human being can not create a life then how can he be allowed to take away another life. But people kill others. These killings are done for many reasons. Killing in the name of religion is one reason amongst them. Whenever a communal riot takes place different people start using it for serving their vested interests. Some people kill and some others encash on these killings. I think both are wrong and equal sinners against God and humanity. Now let me put some questions to the forum members. Why people get enraged only when people belonging to their religion are killed in communal riots? When people belonging to their religion are killed in accidents or murdered for other reasons why don't they raise their voice? No member on this forum raised his or her voice when lakhs of innocent people were killed by Tsunami. Why? These people were Hindus, Muslims, Christians and from other religions. Why nobody felt for them? Why a killed person gets others' sympathy only when he is killed in a communal riot? If he is killed in an accident or murdered on property dispute will he get the same sympathy? Will NGO or secularists move SC to get justice for him? Will SC transfer his case to another state? Will SC call the CM a non-human? Many people are being killed every day in every city, every state of the country. How many of them are getting the same reaction as in case of Gujrat? People who were not moved by the killing of thousands of sikhs in Delhi are now calling killing of muslims a national disgrace. Are these people really feel for those killed in Gujrat or simply trying to encash on their dead bodies? And Hindus were also killed in Gujrat. Why killing of Hindus is not being termed as national disgrace by these people? Why Gujrat riots are only being talked in reference to muslims only? Why Lalu orders a probe only in Godra killings? Why he does not order similar probes in case of other people killed on trains by robbers and railway policemen. Were they not human beings? Why he does not make such killings on train an election issue? The same thing goes for other politicians belonging to BJP, congressand communists. Any answers dear forum members?

Your reference to only Hindutva leaders in relation to politicians gaining power even through bloodshed and inciting hatred and heinous crimes among people indicates bias and therefore looses the strength of a logical argument.Which political party, which political leader and which self-declared spritual and religious leader can be exempted from indulging in this exploitation? To single out a particular community and its leaders is not going to help containing this problem.

Do Hindus living in southern states think that law is taking its right course and there is no piltics in the arrest of the seer? Do they support the language used by the public prosecutor about the seer? Do they support the arrest of junior seer just after SC granted bail to the seer?

I think the major reason for Gujrat riots was the reaction of congress leaders and other self-declared secular champions. I still remember that these people have not expressed any grief over the loss of so many innocent lives. Rather they were demanding action against VHP, Bajrang Dal and other outfits.This has hurt Hindus and has contributed to the anger manifesting in the riots.

No body has blamed Mr. Advani for the current problems in BJP. Only so far he has not been able to inspire confidence in his ability to take BJP out of the crisis. You are right that there are ups and downs in every party.But such ups and downs should be used as change agents. It is an opportunity for BJP to re-think and come out more stronger. I think that the fault BJP had committed is to depend on leaders like Arun Jaitley and Pramod Mahajan.These loud mouthpieces have caused more harm to the party.But Mr. Advani is not able to see them in their true light.

Presently this honour goes to congress. And don't talk of banning a party because it is tainted, entire UPA government will be banned.

Let him get some votes on this report also.

I would not have been surprised.

The justice was required to do unjustice to those who lost their lives. So he did not ask these questions.

But he knows how to satisfy a client, Laloo in this case.

It is interesting. After retirement a justice becomes unjustice.

Being nominated to an inquiry commission has become a post-retirement job. If one wants to remain on one commission or the other he has to satisfy his client. And in this case the client is Laloo. Laloo has already announced that fire was started from within the coach and the learned judge is not a fool not to understand what his client wants.

Yes, it amounts to influencing the voters. And that is the precise purpose of releasing the report at this time. Let us see if EC acts. It is a test for EC. EC has already pardoned Laloo once in case of distribution of money.

It is not Godhra Report but all political decisions are conspiracy aganist common man. A fire broke out in a train compartment and many people lost their lives. All politicians, irrespective of their party affiliations, exploited this incident to serve their vested interests. The result was Gujrat riots. Exploitation still continues. Hate campaign is still on. Modi is being targeted for Gujrat riots. Lalloo is being targeted for misusing his official position to drive political mileage in Bihar elections. Congress is being targeted for having double standards, killing 3500 plus sikhs in Delhi and now calling Modi a murderer. No body is interested in the people who lost their lives and their grieving families.

Releasing interim report at this juncture is an order delivered meeting content and time requirements of the client.

How come such an offensive message has been allowed to be posted by NDTV Message Central? This poster has posted many messages abusing Hindus and their religion. Are NDTV moderators not doing their job sincerely?

To call Mr. Advani a tainted person is not correct. He may be found wanting in providing right leadership to his party at this juncture, but calling him a tainted person is ignoring the reality. The other point you are making that he is not acceptable to his party is also not correct. Let us judge him on his merits and de-merits and not on our personal likes and dislikes for him and his party. I am not a member of any political party but calling BJP a party of jokers is not in good taste. BJP has many people the country can be proud of.

I can not agree with you. BJP is an organization and not a product. Such organizations can not be considered as having a date of expiry. If your point is accepted then the principle of expiry date will apply more to congress than BJP, as congress is the oldest party. I think it is the thought process and practicing policies of a political party which become outdated and not the party itself. A sincere cause analysis and few necessary corrective measures and BJP will be galvanized. But unfortunately, BJP top leadership is currently engaged in creating more problems for itself rather than solving existing problems. A thorough overhaul of thought process and policies is required, and it should be done by looking inward and not outward.

Mr. Advani as BJP President has failed to inspire confidence in his capability to provide right leadership to a party which was in power for last many years and has lost the election inspite of doing lot of good for the country. His first action in suspending Uma Bharati has exposed his biassed thought process. He still seems to be under evil influence of some middle level leaders who were largely responsible for mismanaging the election campaign and forced congress-communist combine on the country. The way BJP and its leadership is behaving these days it is impossible to resurrect itself.

Infighting is only one aspect of the situation which has resulted in the downfall of BJP. There are many other reasons for the downfall. If infighting is viewed as a cause then downfall is the most natural effect in any organization. The top leadership of BJP has failed in its role to provide ladership. Rather than leading through right examples of impartiality and honesty, almost all its leaders have themselves become part of various groups within the party. Mr. Naidu and now Mr. Adani both have failed to inspire confidence in their capability to act as a leader of a national party which was in power for last many years. I will term it as FAT Syndrome - Failure At Top Syndrome. Failure at top in BJP has affected entire body of the organization. The problem is at top and should be tackled at that level rather than taking disciplinary actions against lower level functionaries. BJP should look from outside to inside for determining the cause and then take necessary corrective measures. It is very important as congress can not be trusted to govern the country with its present crowd of allies.

Society at large is responsible for such acts. The moral degradation which has set in the thoughts, words and actions of all of us is resulting in such inhuman and immoral acts.

Is it the policy of SC?

Is your message meant for some specific people in a code language?

You sure have full confidence in Indian judiciary.

Indian courts seem to be trying a murder case for the first time, or they are trying to project themselves as secular.

Now her mother is under pressure of the court - in jail.

Railways were always hostage to politics. This ministry was always used as a tool for creating and protecting vote banks. It has never been managed professionally. Over the years it has become operation oriented. It is no more passenger oriented. With Laloo as railway minister it is being held hostage in his house.

I saw one of her movies long back. The memory is still alive. God has called her back. Let all of us pray for the unity of soul with the Divine.

This is the third bandh in last three weeks. High Court has declared this bandh illegal and unconstititional. Were other two bandhs also declared as such?

This problem was created by one PM belonging to congress. Let us if another PM from congress can find a solution.

What Indian Constitution says about it?

So people on this board have already started trying Shankaracharya case as per their compulsions.

My opinion is that all religions, including Islam, teach peace. It is the followers who interpret the teachings with hate and for hate. God has created only love. It is some humans who have created hate.

Please don't generalize the issue. There is a majority of Tamilians who are hurt on this inhuman treatment to A Hindu religious leader.

Thank you Shivaji Raje for posting a great quote of a great saint. It makes this forum worth visiting.

Thank you. I have lodged my protest.

You are right. Some people are saying that no body is above law. In India, there can be no incorrect statement than this. Law also says that all are equal in law. Should the due process of law not have been followed in this case? The manner of Seer's arrest and subsequent actions speak the truth. The government is guilty in this case.

It is unfortunate but such a competition seems to be ON.

Let us leave politics out of festivals at least for today if not forever.

No body is saying criminals should not be punished. But everybody is innocent till proved a criminal in the court of law through right process of law. So far nothing seems to be honest in this case. Due process of law has not been followed. Has Shankaracharya ceased to be a common man even and does not deserve to be treated equal in law? Should law not respect the personal faith of a person and his daily routine? Or all these things have been reserved for politicians only? It is only in India where a criminal politician will get bail but not a Hindu religious leader.

People all cross the world are celebrating Eid. I wish a very happy Eid to all. What messages Eid gives - Service to the poor is the worship of God; confess and repent for your sins; introspect, retrospect and then scrutinize your lives, deeds and dealings with your fellowmen irrespective of their caste, creed or faith.

In India season of festivals is on. People celebrated Dessehra, then Deepavali and are now celebrating Eid. In few days people will celebrate Guru Nanak Dev Jayanti and then Christmas. I wish a happy Eid to all.

Many may not like to be seen with Mr. Praveen Togadia but his question is very relevant. Concerned governments and police departments should answer this. Has any government in India, irrespective of the political party, guts to arrest Imam on Eid? This can only be done to Hindu leaders. I am really disturbed. OK, India should not be made a Hindu state but should Hindus be treated like this?

Allow me to have a different opinion. The solution you suggest will not remove the problem. It will only shift control from one hand to the other hand. And both hands are dirty. Transparent management with more effective checks and balances is the key.

If he wanted to convey that message then why did he raise it? The best way a leader of his stature should adopt is to speak through his actions and not words. By the way Mr. Sunder do you have a personal e-mail ID? If yes then send me an e-mail on suresh@betterlife4all.com.

Modern day leaders, who are required to set standards for unity and team work, can only set standards of fighting. They have lost any capability they had to lead. Calling them Netaji has become a joke.

I join you in wishing Eid Mubarik to all.

I am really disturbed by this. Arresting a Hindu religious leader on Deepavali day and the manner in which it has been done puts doubt in my mind about the future of Hindus in India.

I am not a political person. I try to be objective by discussing only issues and not the personalities. But some time I feel disturbed. This is one such occasion. Some time back a communist leader has said that temple income should be taxed. Then there is reservation for muslims. All such issues create a doubt in my mind that Hindus are really being discriminated against minorities in India.

What I could not understand was that why Mr. Advani raised the issue in that TV show? Media had reported that issue had been settled and concerned leaders have assured him that there will be no more infighting. But he not only raised the isue he took names of three leaders only as though only they were involved. What about those whom she referred to in that show? Why Mr. Advani did not name them?

Arrogance of BJP as a whole. Mahajan who was largely responsible for BJP defeat in Lok Sabha elctions and solely responsible for defeat in Maharashtra is still there. BJP under Advani is only compounding the sin.

An arrogant BJP and equally arrogant Indian voter defeated a performing government. BJP went all hogg on India-Shining nurturing their ego that people have no other choice except electing BJP again. On the other hand voters have reacted to India-Shining as though it had hurt their personal ego. It was nothing but a clash of misplaced egos. Both BJP and voters lost. The winners are a dormant congress and anti-national communists.

BJP was in power. But it revived congress by its arrogance. Now with same arrogance it is making congress more and more stronger every day. It is one sin of BJP which has erased all its good work.

Perhaps BJP and Hindu-secularists do not want them to be accused of being communal by a secular government.

Will you consider substituting 'Indians' from last sentence of your message? This decision is not the decision of all Indians.

It is unfortunate that those who are supposed to create standards of discipline are indulging in indiscipline.Those who should set standards of public service are setting standards of power politics. BJP is not an exception.

Sometime back I told you that I don't have time for passersby.

Media has reported that she has a long meeting with Mr. Advani and even apologised for her role in infighting. Why then he raised this issue in an open meeting and took names? Do you feel that a great leader should behave in this manner?

But the right to talk has been considered as indiscipline in case of a particular member of the party. I wll agree with you that at least BJP is free from this desease called family rule.

What do you think about the manner Mr. Advani handled this matter?

I am in two minds. Should I congratulate Mr. Advani for transparency in his party affairs, or caution him that he might be leading his party to a downfall. As for transparency he has directed a TV show on the infighting within BJP and in full public view took a decision to suspend a party leader. As for the other point, he has started a process throgh which BJP can only go down. His raising the point of infighting and naming the leaders in an open show where TV cameras were in full strength had surprised me.This is not a good leader by any standards.

While staging a reality TV show yesterday Mr. Advani came out not a winner. He had to take action against a leader of his party after the drama in full view of TV chaps. He has also said that his party can tolerate some departure from discipline but failed to quantify it. So now BJP has been officially declared as a party which allows its leaders to indulge in indiscipline.I have two questions for Mr. Advani: a) will the limit of departure from discipline will vary from leaderto leader? b) how such leaders having allowable indiscipline will lead the people in its fight against tainted ministers?

BJP President Mr. Advani has said that "there is a limit to how much departure from discipline can be tolerated". Let us analyse this sstatement. But I request members to use decent language. First my analysis. Does Mr. Advani mean that BJP allows indiscipline? If it is so, will then politicians who are expected to lead but are indciplined within allowable limits be accepted to the people. Has BJP found out what Indian people think about it? Mr. Advani has also not explained how much indiscipline is allowed in his party. Has he quantified it and whether indiscipline was measured on that scale and then leader was declared indiscilined and suspended from the primary membership of the party? Or there are some other reasons for her suspension?

Yesterday's incident has put up a question mark on the ability of Mr. Advani's leadership to resurrect BJP. He has failed to build his team. He has failed to bring unity in his team members. He raised an issue and the result was suspension of one leader. Also, he has said that "there is a limit to how much departure from discipline can be tolerated". Let us analyse this sstatement. But I request members to use decent language. First my analysis. Does Mr. Advani mean that BJP allows indiscipline? If it is so, will then politicians who are expected to lead but are indciplined within allowable limits be accepted to the people. Has BJP found out what Indian people think about it? Mr. Advani has also not explained how much indiscipline is allowed in his party. Has he quantified it and whether Uma Bharati's conduct was measured on that scale and then she was declared indiscilined and suspended from the primary membership of the party? Or there are some other reasons for her suspension?

I am facing a peculiar problem. Whenever I post a meassage it gets counted but is not displayed on the board. Are other members also facingthis problem?

BJP President Mr. Advani has said that "there is a limit to how much departure from discipline can be tolerated". Let us analyse this sstatement. But I request members to use decent language. First my analysis. Does Mr. Advani mean that BJP allows indiscipline? If it is so, will then politicians who are expected to lead but are indciplined within allowable limits be accepted to the people. Has BJP found out what Indian people think about it? Mr. Advani has also not explained how much indiscipline is allowed in his party. Has he quantified it and whether Uma Bharati's conduct was measured on that scale and then she was declared indiscilined and suspended from the primary membership of the party? Or there are some other reasons for her suspension?

The breakdown in the system is only affecting common people. No politician,no policeman, no activist, no judge, no religious leader get affected. I wonder why common people always try to defend these villains of political game. Is it not the reality, Mr. Sunder?

When 'criminals' become 'honourable' by vote then how one can call the honourable ministers as tainted ministers?

Please don't take me wrong. I am not blaming or supporting anybody. What I am saying is that it is the inherent weekness of a democratic system. If consitutional institutions fail to discharge their statutory and obligatory functions then where is the corrective mechanism? Everybody is working under their own compulsions. And as far as who is to blame is concerned, everybody has to share it. Best Bakery case is only one reference. Anti-sikh riots are another reference.

Sonia has outlined a five point agenda to serve as an essential framework to what she terms as "give children what we owe them". I feel that before starting implementation of any agenda (details not known yet)the government should declare children as national resource.Indian nation has a moral and national obligation towards its 350 million children over the age of 14 years (a third of India's population)and also those who are under 14 years.

Best bakery case has become the test for Indian democratic system. It has brought out many weeknesses of the system in open. First, the inability of the State government to control riots and provide protection to all victims. Second, unchecked interferrence and one-sided approach of other constitutional institutions such as, SC and NHRC.Third, NGOs going berserk. Fourth, media going berserk. Fifth, Politicians vitiating the environment and fuelling passions. Sixth, inability of central government to take timely and adequate corrective actions. Seventh, religious organizations fuelling passions. Everybody stands exposed. Will they learn any lessons from all this and act judiciously and impartially now?

On an American discussion forum a member asked me if there is any good discussion forum in India. I could not say yes. This forum on ndtv.com has lost its relevance as a good discussion forum. There is no worthwhile discussion taking place. Only abuse hurling is going on. NDTV moderators either no have no control or not doing their job sincerely. Even they and their family members are being abused in filthy manner. It would be better if NDTV close down this forum.

Maoist gives you a good advice.

So 'humble housewife' becomes a politician, reversing her stand to justify her PM husband's actions.

Support for India's claim for permanent membership of United Nations Security Council is increasing every day. My advance congratulations to all Indians.

But congress says that the decision to hike prices was taken with a heavy heart. Mrs. manmohan Singh has provided the 'Human Face' to the controversy on behalf of her husband.

I hope other followers of Quran agree with first part of your message, and non-muslims with the remaining part.

Very nice.

You are right. SC should see in to the game and should not allow itself to be misused for political purposes and advertisements for NGO.

You are right.

But her conscience always tells her - 'Only I am OK, No body else is OK'.

TS has gone to SC for getting a character certificate to prove her point - I am only OK and no body on the other side is OK.

The Bush victory is not the validation of Iraq war. It is the result of fear created by him in the minds of American citizens about the danger of Osama.

She will not ask her conscience as the answer is obvious. She is certainly trying to be sensational to attract limelight. After Zaheera accused her of putting pressure to give prepared statements she is behaving as an inoocent put to injury. She has gone to SC to get a character certificate.

So all it comes about in Best Bakery case is that the case is not about Zaheera but Teesta Setalvad. With Zaheera saying that Teesta put pressure on her to give prepared statements, she has gone to SC asking it to give her a character certificate. Afterall only she is OK and every otherbody (on opposite side) is not OK.

Politics is really about education and not about propaganda. It is about teaching more than management. It is about ideas and values and not only about Acts of Parliament, Political Institutions and Ministerial Office. But Indian politicians are not even aware of these concepts and principles. How can such politicians be expected to deliver good.

I have no time for passersby.

No I can't tell you why suddenly Gujarat police is taking interest in protecting Zaheera from media and the NGOs? You will have to ask Gujrat police about it. Or some well informed user on this board can help you.

Media is doing the assigned job.

Maharashtra had for last five years and is also currently having a non-BJP government. The case is in Maharashtra courts. The police belongs to Maharashtra. The public prosecuter is also appointed by non-BJP institutions. If Zaheera has now blamed Seetalwad and other NGOs, then who is to blame? But media and NGOs are still blaming Gujrat and Modi for all this. This is like 'Chit bhi meri pat bhi meri'.

I don't approve of political jokes. I have seen too many of them get elected.

While speaking about who is the real power behind Delhi throne, Sonia asked a question 'I have turned down the actual chair. Why would I want to be the power behind it?' This is real politics. She has matured.

But prices have already been hiked. Now you have only one hope, the left parties who have announced an agitation.

Message Central, NDTV.com is a discussion forum. The purpose of such a discussion forum is not to convert each other but to define and expand overselves and our own concepts.

Who is determined to kill you? Who is your enemy?

Has Osama's video message not played any role in Bush's victory? Also I would say that Bush's victory is not a validation of Iraq war but the result of a fear genertaed in American mind after 9/11, Iraq's war and the fact that Osama is still alive.

This is certainly AAM ADMI govt with a human face.

Right. Jaichands are doing their job.

It is a good advice from one angle that you are chanting the name of Lord Rama. Ten times in one message. Congrats.

You mean to say that even if Seetalwad's role is proved that she pressurized Zaheera to give wrong testimony and cheated SC, Modi will not regain credibility?

Believing Teesta SC has transferred case out of Gujrat. Now SC should order replacing Zahira by another Tessta's witness.Only Teesta is the person who can be trusted in India.

Don't you think it is a good idea, tax on temples? Next idea will be tax on being born as a Hindu. Gurudasdasgupta seems to be a avtar of Aurangzeb. This is true secularism. [please forgive me. I can't post a message against these secularists or else I will be called a communalist. If you want to live in India then behave like these secularists.]

Forget about Advani and Vajpayee. They are past. Talk of present.

Left parties are playing real politics. Everytime there is a hike they say that they will agitate. This time also Jyoti Basu has said that they will agitate. But no agitation comes about. All this nautanki is being performed to fool the people.

If you are asking a question then the answer is that they can resign.

Thanks

But media is taking a different line. What line SC will take is to be seen. Will the case be transferred out of Maharashtra now?

May be she is pointing towards Left.

This is something which is not understandable. Global prices have come down but Indian prices have been raised. And this RS. 5 increase every month will create problems. Gas agencies will delay the supply to earn Rs. 5 due for increased next month.

Sonia says that "I am not power behind the throne". Can nayone make a guess who is it then?

Oh please don't say that. It is not good to call the win fake when every Indian is enjoying it.

You can criticise them later. This is the time to enjoy the win.

Who are these evil forces?

But as it has become a normal practice to term as communal any attempt to oppose congress policy of appeasement of muslim, how do you say it will ensure BJP's victory at next election?

Mr. anubanks from UK, appeal to our Guruji redindians. He is controllinbg the debate on this MB.

Mr. deepak7 how can you say that without approval by our Guruji redindians?

manIndiaji why don't you accept what our Guruji is saying? Is it correct to hurt him?

redindians Guruji what is this illution?

Guruji please accept satishji's request and put all of them behind bars. PLease make a phone call to Soniaji.

Guruji aap kisko favour kar rahe hain, Bush or Karry? They must have contacted you for your blessings. Everybody knows that aap jise favour karenge woh hi jeetega.

Main to abhi-abhi aapka pupil bana hoon aur aapne mujhe apne business main bhi shamil kar liya. Tusi mahaan ho guruji.Lekin yeh kaun si business hai Guruji?

Guruji yeh kaisi equation bana di. BJP aur congress ko barabar kar diya. Are you angry with congress? Zaroor sonia ya manmohan se koi galti ho gayee hai.

Guruji yeh kya kah diya. Aapke manmohan to married hain. Will he marry another woman? Jaroor aap mazaak kas rahe hain.

Guruji aap to maths main bhi kamaal karte hein. Kya equation banai hai. Maan gaye aapko. America ki bhi aisi-ki-taise kar di.

Wah Guruji aapne to kamaal kar diya. Kya poetry likhi hai. Aapko ise "Wah=Wah" (SAb TV) main bhejana chaahiye.

redindians Guruji you should tight the first rope.

shahab69ji who is this sanghi saffronite fellow abusing you?

Dear IanDockray, I will to answer your question, but not on this forum. E-mail me.

xian_punditji you stay in USA. Please tell us the latest news about election in USA.

redindianreturnsji and sanjayji pata nahin yeh kaun sanghi saffronite fellow aap logo ko abuse kar raha hai.

shahab69ji do you also feel that this is national pride?

Yes passerbyji I do not say that. They are also cowards.

Yes Sanjayji these people have brought real shame on good Hindus like you. Kya kuchh kiya nahin ja sakta jaise inhein Hindu Dharam se hi nikaal diya jai. Aajkal center main aapki sarkar hai. Aap soniaji se kahkar yeh kaam karbaiye na.

You are so right prasoonanji. Do you think these coward BJP people are also behind attacks on mosques in Pakistan and other muslim countries?

Welcome voice_indiaji. Do you mean to say that if Ravana is removed from Ramayana then what remains is Hindutva?

badvaniji please give us some latest information on the election in USA.

Tigerji is himself present on this board.

Badvaniji who is this policeman writing unnecessary things in reply to your's and Sanjayji's and earlji's messages? Is he a sanghi?

You are very right missionikonkarji. Tigerji is working on a plan and soon BJP and its President will be deported out.

No andhrawalaji, I don't agree with you. In my opinion hearty congratulations should go to you. You have worked so hard on this board for cong-NCP win. Without you VD could not have become CM.

Sir, will it be OK if entire BJP is deported? Na rahega baans na bajegi bansuri. But Sir after that everything will be OK na?

OMG and they have elected him as President of BJP. What will happen to this country Tigerji?

A very good question badvaniji. I don't think they will be able to answer it. Who are these other fanatics Sir?

"You will inherit the real world of peace" - a wonderful quote. I salute you for this.

What a beautiful peace of writing - "You will inherit the real world of peace". It looks as some saint is giving a sermon. And why not badvaniji you are no less than a saint.

Badvaniji some saffronite sanghi is abusing you. Please give a sermon to him also.

What a beautiful peace of writing - "You will inherit the real world of peace". It looks as some saint is giving a sermon. And why not badvaniji you are no less than a saint.

If it is an article written by some AG then I am not interested. But if these are your views then I will certainly like to read them. You see I hold you in high esteem. Your views are the absolute truth for me.

It is business for them. Business with no ethics. Although I feel that there are many other ways to earn a living.

Very good Guruji. They are unreasonable, perversely unyielding and bullheaded. And they should be allowed to bark.

Very nice to see you my original Guruji. You are such a nice teacher that you start teaching the moment you appear. What is this 'Desi Politics' Guruji?

Please forgive me as I have misunderstood you. In fact it was not misunderstanding but not-understanding.As I could not understand it so I requested you to tell them yourself. Whatever happened in Rajasthan and whatever you mean by these examples I fully agree with you.

What a nice quote - "Stuberness in kids look good but in men it wont look good". Guruji will these sangh people abusing you understand your sermon? If you forgive me I have also not understood it. What is this Stuberness Guruji?

I have full faith in you Guruji. If you say it is a matter of time then it is a matter of time. But Guruji please stop their crazyness. You should not leave them for abusing you in such a filthy manner.

Please Agniputraji, you are such an intelligent person. It will be better if you tell big TV channels and fake super stars what you want to tell them.They won't be able to reject your instructions.

You don't use words in your prayers.You pray from heart with emotion and naturally you don't need empty words. Tusi great ho Agniputraji.

Guruji these people from sangh are abusing you. PLease stop their crazyness.

Agniputraji you are also great. You use English letters to coin very nice words. Just like my teacher redindiansji.

Thank you Sir for such a nice teaching to your dear child. But what is this lession Sir, a new sangh. Now you will have to stop crazyness of this new sangh also. How many types of sangh are their Sir?

Why should you bother about SS when you say that its leaders are fighting to see its end? One thing I like in you. You use English letters in such a nice manner. Some fools use these same letters in their prayers to God.

You mean that they are fighting to end Shiv Sena? Then who was fighting for power? And you must be very happy with this fight. Afterall you are a staunch supporter of Congress.

Such a long name. Sir you must stop this sangh also from crazyness. So long now Sir. Will see you later.

Sir you seem to be tired. Mixing some other sangh people with this fake sangh which you stopped from crazyness. Sit I respect you too much and am concerned about you. PLease take some rest Sir. I will not bother you further.

How do I join CPI Maoist? Is it some other type of sangh?

Is it some other fake sangh - this new crazy dog trying to play in town? Do you find it interesting, stopping one faks sangh then another?

Sir you seem to be a very intelligent person. You must be very busy. But Sir, can I request you to teach me human physcology..... You are right Sir it is a totally new thing for me - this human physcology.......

You mean sangh is fake then which sangh you stopped from crazyness?

You stopped sangh from crazyness. It is very good that you have done it. Now they will behave as normal sangh. But what is this furstations they are under?

Site is not opening Mr. sitaramyetchuri. Is the address correct?

'Fool' is one word and you are using two words 'congress man'.Why should you do that?

What are furstations?

Are they still fighting? I thought that power has already been shared by congress and NCP politicians.

Are your figures right? If so then I can only say that the farmers are committing suicide with a human face.

It is really bad. SS-BJP govt created such financial mess that Cong-NCP govt could not cleant it in five years. Now they have been given another five years to clean that mess. I hope they do it, or else people will have to give them another five years after the term of present five years is over.

Has anybody forced you to vote for a tainted person? You have a choice not to vote for him.

Whom did you choose - theif,dacoit,robber or a gangster?

Politicians in Maharashtra have been fighting to share power. No one is bothered about concern of the people. No one wants to share people's concern. They will need these people only after five years.

Yes, you can certainly say that - majority appeasement. But Hindus are not dependent on BJP. If one goes by number then you will find more Hindus than Muslims are criticising BJP for bringing Ram Mandir in politics. But such criticism is not seen in Muslims about minority appeasement. And this mindset is blocking the process of development in case of Muslims.

Tainted ministers can not be a liability for a tainted political party. Ab to yeh baat karni chaahiye ki kaun jyada tainted hai.

Muslim minority appeasement is not only affecting Hindus but also blocking development of Muslim community. They have become totally dependent on congress or other such political parties. Small trees do not grow under the shadow of big tree. Muslim community has paid and still paying a huge price for protection from these parties.

Inyway, I will let you know when my discussion forum becomes operational.

Was he moved out of Maharashtra and made Governor because he is a dalit? This issue is not important for me. It is an internal matter of congress. What I am worried about is that Shinde has contested the election and is a MLA. Now he will resign as MLA and another election will be forced on public exchequer. Will congress party host the bill for this unnecessary avoidable by-election.

But I would like to congratulate you. You have taken lot of pains for congress victory in Maharashtra. I wish that all your expectations with congress-NCP government in Maharashtra are fulfilled.

There is one more point I would like to share with you. I registered on this forum because I always wanted a good Indian discussion forum. But my wish has not been fulfilled. Now I am thinking of starting my own discussion forum on my Website, 'www.betterlife4all.com'. It is also not the fault of NDTV only. Some of good forum members easily get provoked and join abuse hurling with filth posters. It discourages other good people to register and encourages more abuse hurlers.

So during the hunt osama becomes the hunter.

I am in full agreement with you. I have myself given lot of feedback to ndtv.com but they have not taken any concrete action to improve their discussion forum. Some good contemporary topics have not been agreed by them. They don't have any system of ensuring that only genuine people are registered on the forum. Anyone at any time can register and post a filthy abusive message. When some other viewers start complaining he can change his ID and re-register and continue with his filthy messages. Moderators are not doing their job properly. If only ndtv adopts a pro-active approach it can become a good Indian discussion forum.

Sunder, there must be some good discussion forums where people can engage in decent discussions. NDTV.con has certainly lost its credibility. Only fith hurling at each other.

With new osama video tape the finger of suspicion is again pointed towards Pakistan. But day-blind Americans are not able to see it. Paki friendship will be a costly affair for US.

The US presidential elections are due in 4 days. Who will win will be known shortly. But Osama has already casted his vote. His recent video tape is one vote which will affect entire voting pattern. Americans are truely confused and afraid also.

Iraq war has become the most important issue in US presidetial elections. Both Bush and Kerry are trying to encash Iraq war for a win.

Even if it is an illusion I am happy with it, because it is what is required. Politicins' priorities are not matching with peoples' priotities. To protect their interest people will have to create presseure points to make politicians act the way they should.

NDTV Correspondent says on Sunday, October 31, 2004 (New Delhi): "Petrol and diesel prices are likely to be hiked from November 1.The Government, which has already secured the go ahead on increasing prices from its key allies - the Left parties." And still they say that there are no power centers elsewhere.

Can someone tell that surging crude prices have ever boosted Indian economy?

I think the credit should go to the people of both countries. A majority of Pakistanis and Indians are now fed up with the policies of their givernments of engaging in unnecessary and unproductive hostilities.This opinion is gaining strength everyday, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for governments to ignore these public sentiments. However there is still resistance from self-serving politicians.

Whenever I search a discussion forum, name of NDTV.com (Message Central) does not figure in the searched results. Any guess why it is so?

Same English letters make words which are used in the prayer of the God.

Allah is very kind. If one can't even follow the do's and don'ts in the holy month of Ranzan (one out of 12 months) then who is to blame?

What do you mean by worst muslims?

I am a Delhite. I pray to Delhi-CM Shiela Dixit not to kill my city. It has already become rape capital of India. Please don't make it pollution capital of India. Bring love back to Delhi. Only it can save the city.

Who will hold lawless ministers accountable when the governments themselves become lawless? UP government is working to protect rapists and murderers of a class VIII student. The criminals raped and murdered the girl last year in Meerut district.

Congress and its government at Delhi and center do not seem to have any regard for the problems faced by law-abiding citizens. As per their latest delivery illegal industries will stay in residential areas. With criminals in the government it was natural for congress to reward law violators.

Is it a line from your daily prayer?

New BJP President Mr. Advani has defined his paryy's priority - Back to the basics, which means Back to the People. Now when BJP is going back to the people, what will Advaniji will take with him - a new vision, a new hope, a loving relationship for all all Indians, and above all a betterlife for the people?

Congress and NCP deserve salutation of every Indian. Has anybody seen politicians fighting over serving the people? Both congress and NCP politicians want that they should be allowed to serve the people. Let us wait to see who get the chance to serve the people.

Every now and then some user will post a message abusing Modi, Togadia, BJP and RSS. This is the only contribution they have so far made to Indian society and Indian people.

I agree with you. Both foreign policy and internal matters have many areas over which a national consensus should be built. India should have a national agenda on these issues. UPA government shopuld engage opposition parties for this purpose.

MMS and Sonia stole all the joy of watching Ramlila by their presence on stage at Ramlila ground in Delhi. The Ramlila was converted in to MMS-sonia-lila. Organisers were falling over each other to present gifts to them. They were even given bows and arrows to kill and burn Ravana. Congress changed the Ramayana - Ravana was killed by MMS and Sonia.

It was Dussehra evening and a little girl was seeing Ramlila on TV. The burning of Ravana was being delayed due to late arrival of two secular guests, Sonia and MMS. The girl was getting impatient. When Sonia and MMS were seen on TV with bows and arrows in their hands, the girl shouted,Grandpa see the Ravana have come, now Bhagwan will kill them.

You got up in the middle of night to post this message. You are really ultra-secular.

I do not want to waste any wish on politicians. They are good for nothing. They are a curse on Indian nation.I will make a wish to God that He may grant positive mindset to these politicians.

But it is the same government continuing. If it inherits a state that is seen as one of the worst governed in India & which is effectively bankrupt then it is their own making. It has become a routine for political parties to make impractical promises, and after coming to power to forget them. Promising free power is a national crime.

There is no individual on this earth who does not do idol worship in one form or another.

No credit to Manmohan Singh? He also addressed few rallies. And what about Maharashtra leaders. is their contribution is not even worth mentioning? You have also dismissed that icon of Maharashtra dishonour Pawar. All credit to Sonia!

You mean to say that icon of Maharashtra dishonour will become the icon of national dishonour.

One cannot disagree with you.

BJP should redefine its priorities. It should establish an agenda based only on betterlife for all. With congress working under the evil influence of communists, BJP remains the only hope for India.

I strongly condemn the title of your message and its repeat in the body of your message. You are welcome to say - Long live secularism, but the title is not accepted. You should apologise to Hindus.

Having double standards is an integral part of communists' strategy. There is nothing new about it. What I am worried about it the increasing interference of communists in India governance. Congress is playing with fire. Their lust for power will burn this country. I don't expect any loyalty from Sonia as she is not Indian by birth, but other congress members are Indians. Why they are playing Nero?

Your message has confused me. What Maharashtra election has got to do with defeat of Hindus? Will you please explain?

If politicians start acting as per peoples' wish then India has won the game. Kya kehte hain, aapke mukh mein laddoo. Kabhi-kabhi is tarah kahi baat sach ho jati hai. Thanks.

I place no hope in politicians (ruling or opposition) but pray to God to fulfill your wish.

I am not a man without hope. But I do not place hope in politicians of this party or that party. There is no use wishing anything from them. If wishing could have achieved anything then India would have been at the top of the world. I am sure pessimistic about these politicians and their affiliations. But I am very optimistic of the people and that includes you too. One day they will realize their follies and get up to correct them. That will be day I am waiting for. Are you with me Mr. Sreenivasan or will feel happy by associating me with BJP and consider your duty done?

Ramzan is a special month for muslims all over the world. It is a time for inner reflection, devotion and abstinence. I wish all the best to muslims. May Allah grant His grace to each one of them.

Winning and loosing in an election is of acedemic interest only. No political ever looses any election. They are either in power or opposition and enjoy more or less equally. It is the people who always loose and have lost in this election also.

Does it really matter that who has taught the lesson and who has learnt the lesson. Election has become a game of chess with people as pawns and politicians as players. Which politician wins is a matter of acedemic interest only. Pawns will remain pawns.

You may call me pessimistic but I have no hope from new government. If it would have been SS_BJP combine then also my answer would have been the same. Politicians have lost the capability of understanding peoples' problems. The election was fought on hate for each other. There was no positive issue. People are a pawn in the game of political chess. Who wins does not matter.

It is surprising that there are such people living in India who are totally unaware of ethnic cleansing in Pakistan. People are not killed only in well-publicised riots.

You advise others to be patient, but you yourself has posted an vulgar and abusive message calling others evil and illitrate, dogs, animals. Starting Ramazan in a holy manner. Anyway from my side I wish that Allah grants you His grace.

Politicians have made Hindutva a commodity which anybody can buy and sale. Various types of Hindutva is available, hard, soft, congi-type. Politicians go and buy the most convenient type depending on whom they are going to gift it. The requirement is that it should result in a return gift in the form of votes. Who bothers if all this hurt the feelings of Hindus like me.

Whether Cong-NCP comes back to power or SS-BJP wins what difference it is going to make for the people? if returned to power Cong-BJP will continue with their loot. If they win SS-BJP will start their loot, and start inquiries in shady deals of Cong-NCP. It has become a game of chor-sipahi. Aaj pahla chor aur doosra sipahi, kal doosra chor aur pehla sipahi. Beech main janta bani harjayee.

Scams have become an integral part of Indian politics. Whosoever is in power will indulge in shady deals. No single political party can be blamed for this. A nexus has been created between politicians, government departments, administrative agencies, police, judiciary and also public. Everybody is out to make easy money. It can not be stopped. Rather it will grow unchecked. What can be controlled is wasting money, resources and time on inquiring commissions. There should be a consensus between political parties that no inquiries should be ordered as everybody is nanga in this hamaam. Saare desh mein loot machee hai loot sake to loot, ant samay pachhtayega jab pran jayenge chhoot. Kaun chor hai kaun sipahi, dono hain ab bhai-bhai.Kal virodh main they sab chor aaj power main bane sipahi. Aur sipahi kal ke aaj pahan rahe choro ka taj.

jhandasinghji tusi great ho, kis baat ka kya matlab nikaal dete ho.

kenchappa. This dumbskull welcomes you to the board.

You have a selective vision. Could not see posts of Terrorr.

RG says that emergency was bad. Girja Vyas says that emergency was a thing of the past. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP?

emergency was a thing of the past. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP?

AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas says that it was a thing of past and people have already punished the party for it in 1977 elections. If congress believes in it then why it is raking up all decisions taken by NDA? People have also punished NDA in 2004 elections. It is shameful that congress in having double standards.

On RG's comments on emergency, AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas said that emergency was a thing of the past and people have already punished the party in 1977 elections. It is a clear admission that emergency was bad. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP? People have also punished NDA for their actions in 2004 elections. Why all their decisions are being raked up? It is shameful that congress has become a party of double standards.

On Rahul's comments on emergency, AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas said that emergency was a thing of the past and people have already punished the party in 1977 elections. It is a clear admission that emergency was bad. Then why force Prakash Jha to justify emergency in his film on JP? People have also punished NDA for their actions in 2004 elections. Why all their decisions are being raked up? It is shameful that congress has become a party of double standards.

On HT gag order, AICC Media Department Chairperson Girja Vyas said that 'we don't comment on what commissionbs do'. But congress dismantles commissions if their reports are expected to be inconvenient. Indian people should repent their decision to enable congress to come to power.

People will pay, because they have given a chance to congress to manipulate their poll verdict to form the government. Jaisa karenge baisa bharenge.

Please read your message and try to make head and tail out of it.

He was overtaken by his love for Nehru. It tells that great people are also vulnerable at times. But when great people commit follies then people suffer for centuries.

This is his meeting Paki dictator with a human face.

Welcome to the board. At least there is one person who thinks on his known. I will look forward to your independent voews.

Forget about BJP and its leaders. If they did it then they are out. Now congress is doing it. Think about it and its leaders.

You are mistaken agniputra. Your Manmohanji is not leading any alliance. He himself is being led by Harkishan Singh Surjeet. And forget about RSS. Kher says that he is not associated with any organization. Kher is of the opinion that by forcing such non-issues down the throat of congress, communists want to show who is in power. And they have shown it number of times.

Taslimuddin, the criminal, has become honourable. See World Standards Day ad from BIS.

At center roles and authorities have been defined. Manmohan Singh will be the speaking PM, and Har Kishan Singh Surjeet will be PM in action. Communists have finally taken over India, courtesy Sonia.

You have rightly described Kuldip Nayar as a secular-media-mullah. How one can waste time on his articles?

Lack of nationalism and patriotism will also affect India's development. Communists have taken over the governance of India with congress-led UPA working as a proxy-government for left parties. But no body is alarmed at this.

I don't think morning is good. Communists have taken over and are ruling the country through proxy government run by congress led UPA.

As per ministry sources Sharmila Tagore is the new Chief of Censor Board. These are all sideline issues. Tell me are you not alarmed that communists are ruling the country in the backdrop of congress? If this continues Red Fort will have a red flag on 15th August 2005.

Prakash Jah has been directed by congress government that his film on JP should justify emergency. Where are champions of freedom of expression? Why are they not shouting? Have they been paid to keep quiet?

The power game at the center is over with left winning all matches. Congress role is only to work as proxy-government for the communists. Recent proxy jobs - Anupam Kher sacked, No disinvestment in oil PSUs.

At 0732 in the morning you could think only of this. Human life is a gift of God. Why are you wasting it in posting hate messages?

Anybody perceived inconvenient by congress is communal. This is their secular definition of 'communal'.

People on this board have no credentials to talk about Ram Rajya. This board also lacks the right discipline.

This board is no place for learning Dharma. Search for a teacher and if you are lucky you would get one. But for that total submission is essential.

Majority of people are not OK with different laws. They want a uniform civil code. But politicians have made it an vote-bank-issue for winning elections.

What is your problem? Now there is your favourite government at the center. Still you people are posting anti-NDA messages on the board. Are you having doubts about capability of congress? I think you should get off the board and wait for your favourite government to deliver what NDA government could not deliver.

I am sorry for you. You are far away in Chennai or I could have given you some food. Once you get good food your health will improve. Once you become healthy you can walk down on existing roads without any problem. You do not want Cable TV then what you will do with electricity?

OK you have proved your point. Now get off the board so that users can debate in a decent manner.

I think you need some medicine for yourself. You waste all your time on abusing BJP. Why are you not alarmed at congress becoming a proxy government for communists?

Is it asking too much from a congress supporter to use civilized language?

Your message shows your koop-mandook mentality. Your thinking is limited to winning or loosing in Maharashtra. Can't you think in national perspective? Congress has become a proxy government for communists. Are you not alarmed at this anti-national development?

Both these institutions of Rajya Sabha and Governors are not only a waste of hard earned public money but are used for narrow political gains and forcing rejected politicians again on the people. These institutions are a clear example of the contempt politicians have for Indian voters.

Why do you keep repeating the same message? Have you started having doubts of a congress vistory in Maharashtra?

It is not a question of accepting or not accepting defeat, but an issue of what is right and what is wrong. Congress at center is hobnobbing with communists. It has become a proxy government for left parties. Voting for congress in such a situation is wrong.

You have rightly not said Jai Bharata, because victory of congress in Maharashtra is a bad thing for India.

Congress is not a secular party. It is the worst communal party India has ever had. Congress under Nehru divided India on communal ground to grab power. It continued with its communal agenda for survival as a ruling party. Now it is again playing its communal card to grab power. However there is an addition. It is also working for communists to bring red rule in India.

Congress under Sonia and Manmohan has started its backward journey. Rajiv did it by nullifying SC judgement in ShahBano case. Manmohan has done it by opposing SC judgement on two-child norm for family planning to control population growth.

If your predictions are correct then the bad phase in Indian politics seem to be still continuing. Again voting for a backward party like congress and dishonoured party like NCP is a grave mistake. People voting for these two parties are in fact voting for Rule by Communists.

Supporters like you bring a bad name to congress. Is the language used by you the official language of congress party? Your messages look uncivilized in print.

You are right that people who believed in hate and dis-order formed Pakistan as it was necessary for their survival as rulers. A nation started on hate can never deliver love. Pakistan will always be a pain in the neck of India and this region.

NishantK, your post is in a very bad taste. By your name I assume that you belong to an educated family. Should you waste your talents in posting such messages about an organization which stands tallest among all as far as its love and respect for womanhood and people of this country are concerned.

Hey andhrawala, have you gone crazy? Stop this appeal nonsense now.

Read my post below - "What is 'Progressive' in 'United Progressive Alliance?'. Why are you appealing to vote for a backward party?

While on the subject of SC decisions, have you read that SC has backed two-child norm holding that it is in the national interest to check the population growth, butunion health minister Ramdoss has said that it is a violation of fundamental rights of the people? So an union minister is saying that SC is violating the fundamental right of people to produce as many children they want. Now would you say that what a shame that congress is yet again proving itself a backward party and also indulging in contempt of SC judgement?

Both foreign hand and lapse in custom check are responsible for this scattering of shells all over the country.

Please vote for Congress in the Maharasthra assembly elections if you oppose two-child norm to control population growth as stated by Union Health Minister Ramdoss.

Congress led UPA government and left parties have jointly sponsored the Red Festival in the country. If successful the festival will end with hoisting of red flag at Red Fort.

You are appealing people to vote for congress which has opposed two-child norm to control abnormal population growth against the progressive stand taken by the Supreme Court. Will you withdraw your appeal after the statement of Ramdoss, union health minister?

Supreme Court has backed two-child norm holding that 'it is in the national interest to check the population growth by casting disincentives even through legislation'. But Union Health Minister Ramdoss has said that 'we will not force or coerce anyone to adopt any family planning measures'. As per this progressive member of progressive alliance government 'enforcing the two-child norm in some states is totally against the basic fundamental rights of the people'. It is some progressive thinking and government policy, don't you agree? Or should the government delete word 'Progressive' from their alliance name, UPA.

Try to understand the message.

A true communalist speaking.

Start reading again. Your understanding of secularism is faulty. The fact is that congress is the biggest communal organization which has spread hate between Hindus and Muslims to create a vote bank. Nehru had divided India on Hindu-Muslim basis to become PM. Same formula has been used by congress after independence by creating hatred between Hindus and Muslims under the guise of muslim appeasement.

I am sorry I can not accept a communalist as a friend.

The biggest festival of India is the political festival UPA government is celebrating with communists - the festival of hoisting red flag on Red Fort.

Indian people have realized their mistake in voting BJP out of power. Bringing congress in has in fact brought communists in. They are the real rulers. Congress to keep BJP out of power is compromising with national security.

Rather than calling yourself secular_indian, you should devote some time to understand what is secularism and what is National security.

Yes, I fully agree with you that non-BJP parties, crying hoarse of being secular, are doing more harm to Indian society. Their hate- spread campaign in the name of secularism has created more violance in post-independent India. Unfortunately media has also joined these hate-agents.

From number of messages in support and against BJP being posted on this board it seems that people have not yet reconciled to the defeat of BJP in Lok Sabha elections. Perhaps they are repenting on their vote against BJP as leftist parties have almost taken over the governance of the country. Congress has become a figurehead only.

You call cursing others a wit?

What is wrong with you? There is nothing in my message that you should get offended. You can't even wish good to others. Let me wish for you. May God grant you a positive attitude.

Sorry, you failed to understand the wit in my message.

It is not a decent way of addressing others. Every civilized person will feel offended on your indecent use of words for addressing other people.

I don't think they feel offended if you differ with them on various issues. The language you use is offensive.

You forget that Sonia is also a graduate from Cambridge, as per the statement given by her in her election nomination declaration.

A quarterwit perhaps or zerowit altogether.

But media is making us believe that people in Maharashtra are doing nothing these days except electioneering.

You are really great Tejaswin. Coming out of the blue and posting a message about some thing having no connection with the topic.

Let me elaborate on your wish - the stable government should work for the people with a positive attitude.

There can be no disagreement with what you wish from the new government in Arunachal Pradesh. Developing infrastructure including education should be the top priorities of any government.

Starting yet another day with posting a bad message. Is it really asking too much from you to be positive in your messages?

Mr. sanjay please don't feel bad about 50 or 500. UPA is not responsible for this as they could do no wrong. I think an inquiry should be ordered to find the real culprits who in no case can be from UPA. It is the season of inquiries. Keep your spirits high and keep writing about good points of UPA. You are doing a real service to congress. One day you will be rewarded.

And UPA supporters on this board also deserve all the appreciation and encouragement. Keep it up. One day you are going to be rewarded for your efforts.

No, No, don't worry about that. This board has so much bitterness spread around that any amount of sugar coated messages will not turn it sweet.

Oh agniputra, you have a negative mindset. I am not sad. I am happy as sanjaymumbai has found some happiness. I am trying to encourage him to think of more positive points of UPA rather than wasting his time in finding negative points of BJP. But why I am telling you all this, you will not understand it till you do not come out of your negative mind set.

Let me answer your question - Why no other party or community is asking for anti-conversion law? They are not asking it because they are not affected by conversion. Hindu Religion does not speak of conversion, but in case of their religion conversion by force is the central point. So an anti-conversion law has become a necessaity to keep these people in check.

Some regulation is needed in a society.

Please allow me to disagree with you on your statement - "there is no one to hear the sound being made by them". There is at least one person who listens to what they say and see what they do. His name is sanjaymumbai. Since morning till evening he only talks about them. Sometimes I am confused whether it is love or hate.

You seem to be obsessed with Khaki knickers. You must be seeing them in your dreams also. Are you angry with them that even after they got 5 years to rule..they messed it up, or there is some other reason for hating them. Please don't tell it if it is personal.

Why do you keep on repeating that these people are anti-national and -commonman? You are a very intelligent person, if you have said it once means you have said it thousand times. Burning of butts has reminded me of Ravan burning the tail of Hanuman. Are you aware what happened after that?

Yes, these foggys can't see beyond narrow dirty gutter, whereas you can see deep inside the gutter. They are no match for you agniputra.

PLease don't spoil the good show being put up by him for congress/UPA who can do no wrong.

You have such an effective analytical power. Why do you waste it for analyzing negative aspects of BJP? Utilize this great virtue of yours to analyze good work done by UPA. Time is limited. Don't waste it on BJP.

On the other MB you were so happy in counting good work done by UPA government that I could not stop me from conratulating you. Why don't you enjoy your happiness and leave BJP/NDA to their games? Why do you talk about negative aspects of BJP when you can talk about positive aspects of UPA? See positive, talk positive and behave positive. Congress is a very fortunate party to have you as its supporter. Keep it up and forget about BJP.

It is good to see you happy. Now enjoy your happiness and forget those whom you don't like.

Don't get excited. In today's world no body can be converted or re-converted against his or her will.

Is this new user takla_advani related to you? He seems to have taken a hint from your message to decide his ID. If so then Conratulations for becoming a ideal for others.

Are you a historian?

Poor chaps. Lost the benefit of reservation because of conversion to christianity, a so-called classless religion. Till now outcast by their new socalled classless community. Lost at both ends. There is a saying in Hindi - Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka.

What lies b-advani? (b = bad mouth)

Were you also a student? From your abusing posts you look like a person who never went to a school.

What sort of a person are you b-advani? You start your day with abusing others. Tell me the meaning of 'b' in your ID. May be it has some link with your uncivilized behaviour.

What a choice, the icon of Maharashtra dishonour as its CM?

OK, let us discuss the facts. MKG was an institution not merely a physical body. His whole life was a concept, an experiment with truth and sacrifice. He was well above the physical aspects of life. Godse killed only his physical body a little earlier than it would have perished on its own. But congress has killed the institution, his ideals, the results of his experiments with truth. They have encashed his name for power. Congress has built its empire on the dead body of his ideals. Still they are doing it. They are killing him daily. Aiyer has killed him very recently. Can you understand all this? This is the reality which you can not face.

MKG was an institution. Godse has only killed his physical body but congress leaders have killed the institution. They are bigger killers.

I always thought that you were a supporter of congress. Have you changed your loyalty? You are predicting loss of deposits for congress candidates as congress leaders are killing Mahatmaji daily by encashing his name and reversing his ideals.The great man knew their worth and that is why he had resigned from the congress and advised to wind it up. Congress and congress leaders have killed him again and again.

You mea to Indian armed forces to fight with Pak army?

Lalu's pak trip should be investigated. But MMS is working under compulsions of coalition politics. And when such people are in power who will investigate them. Pak is acting in a real intelligent manner, installing a mole in Indian government itself.

This should be investigated.

What will happen if there is another war with pakistan and Lalu is Home or Defence Minister?

In my opinion lalu's statement is a crime against nation. Only a paki agent will speak like this. I am surprised why no action has been taken against him.

Reservation was introduced with a real desire to help the downtrodden, and was to be phased out in few years as it was never considered a permanent solotion. Later congress discovered it as a tool for creating and nursing vote banks.It will be against national interests was not an issue for them as congress leaders were always guided by their narrow personal interests. Reservation is being practiced as a waepon for appeasement, and congress is now working overtime to enlarge its coverage. Left and Lalu like politicians are no doubt helping them with an eye on their slice of the cake.

But they will not agree with you.

Relevant but inconvenient.

Comerade how do you relate with this agniputra fellow? Is he also a comerade?

Please visit sify.com (full address given in the post above). Rahul refused to go to Maharashtra as he is not sure of congress win. Beware, your views are at variance with those of your leader.

Both are same. One should love the nation and its people. Such love can be termed as patriotism.

And your political affiliations Comerade?

This is the conflict I was meaning in the reply to one of your posts below. The primary nature of a human being is to love. But some people have become such strong haters that they worship a person who abuses those whom we are not in agreement with. This and other such conflicts are the cause for this turmoil in Indian society. To correct it each one of us should aim for 'Spread Love Not Hate'.

You have hit the nail. Congratulations. All eggs in the basket are rotten, not even one is good.

Biggest sin is 'not to love'.

Is it Rahul's personal opinion or congress as a party also thinks so?

No, this is not the final destination. Such ups and downs come in the life of any country. India is passing through a phase of conflict. It will come out of it. Have faith in its ability.

What do they call it - 'Dream turned sour'?

But what issue they will be left with to discuss and criticize Hindus? They will be out of job.

Prime minister says that he raised the issue of cross-border terrorism during his talks with Pakistan President. But why it was not mentioned in the joint statement has not yet been answered by him. Kuch dal mein kala lagta hai.

"NDA for the past four months has been indulging in activities that do not behove an opposition. But then what can you do?" Any comments dear MB users?

Manmohan Singh is also saying that his government will complete 5 year's full term.

You are right. I hope this lapse will not result in loosing the reward.

"UPA Government will complete 5[year term". Any comments dear MB users?

It is their misplaqced conception that by treating Hindus and Hinduism in this derogatory manner they will join the progressive and secular club. Have I earned $ 100 Million?

Good morning MB users. Ready for a good debate? Let me give you a topic. The fresh delivery on behalf of UPA government has been made by Law Minister Bharadwaj. He has killed Tehalka probe and made some unparliamentary remarks about Jaya Jaitly. She has asked him to withdraw his remarks and aplologise to her. With this delivery, he has joined the select club of Patil, Aiyer, Arjun and Lalu.

Congratulations, you have such clear views on all subjects.

Hello Comerade what abuses you have in store for BJP/RSS for today? Your friend vadvani has already started abusing them.

But why not award the punishment first and then investigate?

Congress has made plans to corner in West Bengal. But at center, congress along with left is cornering the entire country.

Prime Minister is delivering at least one statement per day. His latest statement is Gender-neutral-society. Any comments dear MB users, on what he means by this?

I have already visited the site and registered my protests.

UPA government and its allies hav initiated many drives - against polluting industries & vehicles, enchroachment of public land, traffic violations, experts in planning consulting groups etc. When it will intitiate a drive against its tainted and nonperforming ministers?

But I understand that MMS was given dinner by Bush.

Because we are secular and they are not. I will shortly visit the site to register my protest.

Whose hand it will be, MMS's or Natwar's?

A keen political observation. It will certainly make C-N combine happy. You must be getting a thanks call from them soon.

Not all Hindus, only those who are in congress.

Please don't ask such inconvenient questions.

Your eyes took lot of time to open.

But are you not discussing here as a member of CPM? Your every post says that we did this, we did not do that. I had a friend in Kolkata who used to give us sweets whenever we will call him a member of CPM Politbureau. If you do not want to give sweets it is OK, but why feel bad?

Now a real communist is speaking.

Did I hurt you by calling you a member of CPM Politbureau? I thought issues and policies are an integral part of a communist's personality. Believe me I was only appreciating your grasp on issues being discussed on the board.

You talk as though are a member of CPM Politbureau. What is your real name comerade?

This is my first experience with a better-Hindu. But for me only-Hindus are OK. They do not keep such ID. I do not support any foul mouthed person. Last two sentences of your post suggest that RSS have interferred in your life. Are you fighting a personal war with RSS on this board? You should have gone to their office and settled the matter. On this board you can post some productive views, if you have any.

Wah jhandasingh ji kya kafia milayaa hai - jub jawaab nahin hai paas tau karlo bakwaas.

Did you read my post properly? By your post it seems you have not. Please read it and try to understand it. You will find answer to your question. Now let me pose this question to you also. Are you a hypocrite?

I return your compliment. Try to understand who is sick, you or I? You are posting under an ID agniputra. If you are a Hindu then even after being the son of fire your views are anti-Hindu and anti-India. And if you are a muslim then you are committing a crime against Allah by calling yourself son of fire. In Islam they bury the dead, not burn them with fire.

I know you are a rumor_monger. But at least when somebody is asking for some information you should be honest in giving it, and should not behave like a congi to distort the facts. Uma Bharati resigned her CMship to honour the order of the court. The order was later reversed and Uma Bharati was discharged with honour. She has created a standard for other politicians to follow. She has restored the respect of Tiranga. Every patriotic Indian should salute her.

And congress leaders are killing him and his ideals everyday. The latest killer is Aiyer. Think positively Mr. vadvani, then you will understand it.

You are asking too much from leftist parties. What they are doing is an integral part of their culture.How can they change it?

My stand is that no person with tainted background should be allowed to contest any election. Now Mr. vadvani, are you a hypocrite?

Have you taken an oath not to never improve Mr. vadvani?

A negative mindset manifests itself in negative thoughts only.

I am very much knowledgeable about all these things. But one thing I feel that leftist parties have overblown a non-issue. Foreign consultants can be a member on planning groups or they can be hored as and when required. It is only a matter of convenience. The main aim of leftists was to show to the world that who is the real power in India these days. The power hungry congress fell at the feet of those who call Deputy Chairman of Planning Commission a world bank agent. May God save the country from this coalition.

A very good point has been raised by Mr. Dalvi. Why in the first place have lawless ministers? At least those politicians who are known for their law breaking acts should be kept at bay.

Yes, a very good point has been raised by Mr. Dalvi. Why in the first place have lawless ministers? At least those politicians who are known for for their law breaking acts should be kept at bay.

Railway Minister Laloo Parsad Yadav has said that people found littering the railway premises and relieving themselves on the tracks would be penalized. He also warned those committing crimes on trains. A good thought but it should remain merely another populist measure of Mr. Laloo. I would like to ask him, as what punishment he has reserved for himself for littering the national premises, relieving himself on political platform amd committing crimes against Indian society and Natiion?

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met young congress MPs to know their views on various issues. I wonder if any MP raised the issue of tainted ministers and if so what was the answer of Mr. Singh. Also as he is seen by people, what type of ammunition Mr. Singh has prepared to feed these young guns?

Any bad thought or action is bad irrespective of who is the author or actor. But Mr. vadvani I can not understand that why do you always look for negative aspects of any thought or action? There are good things and there are bad things in all people. No body is perfect. But why one should look only for bad things in a person? We think that we are the winner but in fact we are harming ourselves. By always looking for bad things one day we will become a negative personality.

You sure are an ardent politics observer.

Why congress should not be blamed? If congress claims entire credit for freedom then they should be blamed for the partition of the country.

Like competing with Lalu for chaara?

You mean such good things really happen?

You sure do not like moon.

A sick way of looking at things by a sick mind.

And these sick guys are making India sick.

And what about poison of congress which has killed MKG again and again by encashing his name for serving their vested interests?

I am posting the reply on this board as it is not shown there. Godse killed MKG (his body) only once but congress leaders have killed him many times (his principles). Visiting Rajghat on 2nd October and then encashing his association with congress throughout the year. They have not yet reconciled that MKG had resigned from congress. Aiyer killed him when he said that MKG would have felt insulted because a plaque was not installed in his name. Does MKG need such plaques? Does his contribution to India's freedom movement need any certificates from congress leaders? Aiyer killed him again when he insulted Savarkar to correct insult to MKG.

Godse killed MKG (his body) only once but congress leaders have killed him many times (his principles). Visiting Rajghat on 2nd October and then encashing his association with congress throughout the year. They have not yet reconciled that MKG had resigned from congress. Aiyer killed him when he said that MKG would have felt insulted because a plaque was not installed in his name. Does MKG need such plaques? Does his contribution to India's freedom movement need any certificates from congress leaders? Aiyer killed him again when he insulted Savarkar to correct insult to MKG.

Godse killed Bapu (his body) only once but congress leaders have killed him many times (his principles). Visiting Rajghat on 2nd October and then encashing his association with congress throughout the year. They have not yet reconciled that Bapu had resigned from congress. Aiyer killed Bapu when he said that Bapu would have felt insulted because a plaque was not installed in Bapu's name. Does Bapu need such plaques? Does Bapu's contribution need certificates from congress leaders? Aiyer killed Bapu again when he insulted Savarkar to correct insult to Bapu.

Yes, the self-declared secularists will insult their parents if the person next door belongs to minority community and appeasing him will bring them votes or appreciation of Indian media. Secularism practiced by congress, leftists and Lalu like intellectuals is not only turning anti-Hindu but also anti-India.

What these pseudosecularists congress, leftists and Lalu like intellectuals will do now, lodge protests against UK government?

Sometime I feel that with EC, SC, NHRC and other similar institutions working overtime, India does not need enemies like Pakistan.

A columnist has suggested that to get a slice one should give a slice. In 1947 Congress government under Nehru gave a slice in the form of a part of J&K to Pakistan (now known as POK). Pakistan now wants the remaining piece also. Will the same congress government under Manmohan Singh (in fact under great-daughter-in-law of Nehru) will give another slice to Pakistan?

A good governance no doubt.

A good advice to voters. Let us see how Maharashtrian voters vote in this election.

Hubli case is over. NDTV should remove this topic from the board.

Why single out Jaya? Every scamster is trying to prove his/her innocence. Some are even using their position in government to clean their tainted slate. And media consider them their hero. One has to be in media limelight.

Congress and its allies have made India a developed country in at least vote-bank-politics. USA can certainly learn some good points in their coming Presidential election. I would suggest USA should take some experts from India to manage their campaign.

Has any inquiry in indpendent India ever brought out the truth?

With so many daily and weekly newspapers/ journals already available people don't need any more paper. There are many other ways to make a living.

Minimum two things are required for any organization to deliver. One is positive attitude and other is time. All constituents of the government do not display a positive attitude. The most glaring examples are Lalu Parsad, Arjun Singh and Aiyer. They are misusing their position and resources to either settle scores or to clean their own taint. As far as time is concerned, one can use it either productively or waste it on irrelevant issues. Each day has 24 hours. No body can stretch it. If a government spends this valuable time in taking on NDA coalition or building and nursing vote banks then it won't be delivering any thing good. In five years such government can only take the country backwards.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calls it compulsion of coalition politics. But in my opinion it is paying ransom to leftists blackmail. Is chair so dear to you Mr. PM?

Thanks for providing information about this website.

UPA govrenment should declare children as national assets. Any body found abusing, damaging or exoloiting this resource should be prosecuted.

In reference to a nation such changes take time. But you are right about damage caused to the system.

Yes, I agree with you Pandey Ji. They are burning with hate for upper caste Hindus and do not realize this hate-fire will only harm them. They are turning into a liability on Indian society and nation. But we should not retaliate in a manner they do or there will be no difference between us and them.

Confidence of Indian people in judiciary has indeed gone down, but there is still hope. The day is not far when there will be a very strict law to prevent criminals in entering parliament. Already there is a lot of pressure from the public. Politicians will not be able to resist it for long.

Don't bother about politicians. Enjoy your festivals.

Pandey Ji, you could have expressed your views without being offensive to PM and Sonia.

People are not objecting to a probe. A probe was already on. People are objecting to an additional probe.

Users on this boatd may rest for a while. SC has issued notice to Lalu under a PIL for removal of tainted ministers. Let us wait for the result.

Prime Minister has gone out of the way to convince Indian people that there has been no dilution on cross-border terrorism. This has been necessitated by his own action. There is no refrence to terrorism in the joint statement issued after his talks with Pakistan President. Politics may be a complex phenomenon. Let PM handle it in his own way. But common Indian people want that result of any political exercise should be clear and understandable. They expect that if any joint statement is issued after any meeting with another country, all issues discussed should be included in it. Why it has not been done in this case should be explained by the PM. Later statements that it was raised during talks are unnecessary and confusing.

Two women, poles apart in origin and ideology, have acted in a similar manner. Circumstances might be different, reasons might be different, attitudes might be different, but the result is same. Sonia did not take the post of PM, and Uma resigned the post of CM. NDTV should create a new topic on this for discussion on the board.

Two women, poles apart in ideology, have acted in a similar manner. Circumstances might be different, reasons might be different, but result is same. Sonia Gandhi did not take the post of PM, and Uma Bharati resigned the post of CM. Should NDTV not create a new topic on this for discussion?

It is wrong to say that Christianity,Islam and Hinduism,all of them are fake religions. No religion teaches lies. It is some the followers who are fake and tell lies. PLease don't use any offensive words for any religious figure.

Let all of us wish a very happy birthday to Dr. Man Mohan Singh. May God grant him the strength to win over the compulsions of coalition politics to dismiss all tainted ministers and also nonperforming or trouble creating ministers. God may also grant him strength to out of Sonia's shadow.

Allow me to disagree with you Mr. onlytruth. I am also a Hindu and my religion has only taught me to conduct myself in a positive manner.

The primary aim of any human being should be to serve and not to rule.

This user hindu_hindu is a crazy fellow. I am lodging a complaint against him including those users who are replying to his posts.

No Mr. mabaalaji, what remaining is being posted is also offensive. This is not a forum for discussing religion. If some users want to discuss each other's religion they can assemble at a place and discuss it. Abusing each other's religion is indicative of a sick mind. Such people can not be allowed on this board. I once again request all users to refrain from posting offensive messages, and no messages related to religion and faith.

It is not posting reality. It is plain abuse of a religion which can not be permitted whatever may be the circumstances.It is an open forum and there is a code for users who want to debate on this board. Anybody not ready to accept the code is not welcome.

All users should follow NDTV Code - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard".

Woh ek Insaan hai.

Sonia has again sanctioned a big amount from PM's relief fund. Visit - http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13574173 Everybody wishes recovery to the girl. But the question is how secure is this fund? Can Sonia play with it any time in any manner she likes? It reminds us of that case when a large amount was taken out of STate Bank of India by one Nagarwala with the help of Manager Malhotra becauseMata Ji Indira wanted that money. Nagarwala died in Jail and malhotra in a road accident.

NDTV, how come you are allowing crazy people to use the board?

Then why mullahs and maulvis are alive?

Mr. Badvani, please don't use the word 'We' for you. You are one of its kind. And as far as shame brought on you is concerned, you yourself are responsible for that.

You are a true representative of Islam.

Thanks for suggesting websites for understanding Shree Gita.

Mr. Boosedk, are you having some special purpose in posting this off-topic message on the board?

Mr. Badvani, are you having some personal enemity with Advani Ji? Also have you not been taught how to respect other people. Advani ji was ex-Deputy PM of India. Address him with respect. Another thing you should understand that this board is not for settling personal enemity. While writing messages keep NDTV Code in mind - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard".

In Delhi Parliament was attacked. In Mumbai bombs were blasted not once but amny times. In J&K assembly was attacked. There are many instances of terrorism in India. Why only isolate Gujrat? The thinking behind creating such topics is deplorable.

You should follow NDTV Code - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard".

Don't throw such challenges Mr. Muslim. You are sure to loose here.

Mr. Muslim, religion is a matter of faith. If you want to learn about Hinduism then first you will have to change your basic thinking that only Islam is correct, and Hinduism is a religion of non-believers.

A responsible Indian citizen has filed a PIL in SC on tainted ministers, praying that tainted persons should not be inducted in the council of ministers. SC had earlier rejected his similar PIL saying that parliament was discussing this issue and let it come out with some decision. As parliament had not discussed this issue and PM had opined that tainted ministers should not be there and all parties should discuss and make a code of conduct, SC has now agreed to issue notices to government, EC and all tainted ministers including their champion Lalloo.

Mr deepak7, Pawar is not fooling himself. He is making a fool of the people of Maharashtra. He left congress on the issue of Sonia's foreign origin. He made a fool of all Indian people when in LS elections he became an ally of same congress. Noe he is fooling people of Maharashtra by talking this nonsense. He can even say that he rejected the offer of PMship offered by Sonia. But in reality he will continue hobnobbing with Sonia.

Prayers shower Grace of God on us. If you are praying five times a day then you must be receiving His Grace. But it is still a personal matter. What is the purpose of posting it on an open board?

If you look below message box, while writing a message, you will find following NDTV code - "Please refrain from posting offensive messages on the messageboard". If your ID was blocked then you must have violated the code. Now be careful while writing messages and keep your new ID alive.

Mr. Man Mohan Singh is Prime Minister of India. If you feel that it is not proper for him to be associated with a political party which killed sikhs in 1984, you could have said it in a decent manner. Why have you to say it in this manner?

If any user wants to read a good artcle visit - http://sify.com/news/columns/fullstory.php?id=13574053

Holyislam has posted offensive messages. NDTV to take note of it.

There can't be two opinions about it.

Lalloo is not spending money and resources on Bihar. He is spending money and resources on himself and his likes in the name of Bihar.

Every religion is religion of God.

This section of muslims in India are indeed working for that. But their disloyalty can not diminish the loyalty of those muslims who died for India. They deserve equal praise as any other Indian martyr.

And then used his brand image for serving their personal interests. Till date Nehru family is encashing on the brand image of Bapu.

Mr. ALiali has posted three offensive messages. NDTV to take note of it.

Please refrain from posting such messages. If you consider it a joke then it is a joke in very bad taste.

Both Islam and Christianity are products of conflict and hate. Since their birth both are involved in conflicts only. Idea of peaceful coexistence was alien to them. It always surprised them that how Indian people having different beliefs can live together in peace. Till date they have not come to terms to this idea of sarva Dharma Sadbhav. They hate this concept as their faith tells them that no other faith is good. Indians have always been good to others, even at the cost of injuring their own. Muslims and Christians have always misused this goodness.After independence this giidness has been misused in the form of muslim and christian appeasement.

It is a national routine India is going through. Abroad, Indian PM is shaking hands with USA, UK, Paki dictator. At home media has created a hype. All are competing with each other to praise these people. After some time USA will announce another big favour for pakistan. Paki dictator will say something negative and whole process will be derailed. Terrorists will carry out a big strike killing more innocent Indians. Indian courts will release another terrorist declaring him inncocent. And Natwar Singh will go and shake hands with his paki counterpart.

Shame on shameless journalists. Their priorities are different. They do not know what common people think about various issues. They have glorified Lalloo and his likes. If the daughter of their ideal slaps them then they must be feeling proud of themselves.

You have raised a very intersting point Mr. ManIndia. If compulsory interviews are held for those who wish to contest the election the scenerio would be different. EC should conduct these interviews and publish the result for the people to know whom they are going to elect as their representative for five years.

Political parties have formed alliances to grab power. Let people of Maharashtra also form an alliance to protect their interests. They should vote only for those who have a clean record. Let Maharashtra create an examplr for the people of India and reject all criminals and opportunists.

What practical things we see today were theories in the past. Today Mr. Jranjan has taken note of it though not with an enthusiasm it deserves. Tomorrow someone else will take note of it and slowly-slowly it may take a practical shape.

Andhra Pradesh High Court judgment should be treated as an example for the nation at large on the issue of reservation. It is also a fitting reply to the stand taken by Meira Kumar, Minister for Social Justice, that reservation is not a dole but a corrective action. Reservation is being given to get votes as a return gift. This makes it a dole. It is not a corrective action as the problem is still there even after more than five decades. The problem has also increased as evidenced by shameful demands of increasing number of people asking for reservation. Government forcing private sector to introduce reservation is another example that the problem has not been removed but has assumed alarming proportions. Reservation as a corective action has failed. The issue should be discussed again to find other corrective actions. One such action can be the empowerment through education as suggested by PM. But such empowerment should be independent, transparent and objective.

Prime Minister's statement that congress chief Sonia had asked him to become PM has put her in a bad light. If what he says is correct then what followed after polls and what has happened in Central Hall of Parliament was a shameful drama to glorify Sonia. Congress has disgraced itself and has also insulted the people of India. Congress's recent statement that what the PM said is between him and Sonia is compounding the insult. The drama was played in Central Hall of Parliament and was telecast live. It was not played in private in a room at 10, Janpath.

Very Good Morning Mr. truehindu. You have started your day so nicely. I hope that we will see only nice messages during the day.

Mr. badvani, you get up so early in the morning to start your day by posting a hate message. Try to change it and say Good Morning to all.

Politicians may claim that days of clean politics are over, but we, as common people, should not accept it. Indian people have a right to demand a clean governance. Scoundrels, traitors and criminals should not be allowed at any cost and under no circumstances. No excuse, such as, compulsion of coalition politics as advocated by PM, should be accepted by people.

But that is their job Mr. nitinn. If you have said that opposition should be constructive then I would have agreed with you. But their also it requires a constructive approach from the ruling party.

Mr. badvani, you posted this message so early in the morning. Is it a part of your daily prayer?

It is unfortunate that courts are oblivious of peoples' concern on criminals in parliament and state assemblies. Whereas people are asking for removal of criminals from council of ministers, the Bombay HC has allowed a known criminal to contest election in Maharashtra.

India needs a National Common Minimum Programme agreed by all political parties, whether in ruling coalition or in opposition. There are various aspects on which a common strtegy should be evolved independent of political affiliations. Such issues can be foreign policy, terrorism, HRD & empowerment, interrelationship, sustainable development. Existing CMP of UPA government is wrongly being projected as national CMP. A large section of political parties are not being represented in it. Even partner parties are fighting on its implementation. It is all because these parties are not looking at CMP with a national perspective, but to serve their vested narrow political interests.

Muslims also fought for India's freedom. Let us not deny credit to them, or else it will be similar to what congress did and is doing.

You have also fallen pray to wrong history written by congress.

From all the messages posted by Patriot10 on 'who is patriot' only one conclusion can be drawn. Savarkar was a patriot and fought for freedom of India. Nehru and other congressman can not stand to him.

From all messages posted by Patriot10 on Nehru points to one conclusion that congress in first few decades after independence, when it was in power, wrote wrong history. Nehru and other congressmen were made hero and others were projected as those who did not fight for freedom. Based on this wrong history congressmen even today cry hoarse that they brought freedom to India and no RSS/BJP leader participated in freedom movement. When BJP tried to correct the history then these self-styled freedom fighters shouted foul. Now when again in power congress is on its old job of distorting histoery.

Please try to understand. First of all I am a Hindu. I feel hurt when somebody abuses my religion. In this case that somebody is doing it because you are abusing his religion. In your filthy fight my religion is being abused. Stop this or else you may find yourself in deeptrouble. You can not hide behind your false ID. Police will reach you.

Stop it Desh_Premi. This board is not for abusing other religions. You are hurting feelings of Hindus. If you do not stop it then you will find yourself in big trouble. It will not be possible to hide behind a false ID. Police can reach you anytime. Don't force to inform your ID to police.

Don't return abusive posts. I will be then in a position to take the issue further against those who are abusing my religion. Presently abuses are being hurled from both sides. It would be difficult to isolate one side being responsible for this. Who started first is impossible to find out. So both sides will be treated as equally responsible.

And what about you? Are you supporting this trend of posting offensive messages abusing religion?

Your name has also been added to the list of those who are posting offensive messages.

Your posts are abusing Islam and are a cause of return abuses for Hinduism. Because of your offensive posts my religion is being abused. I have asked both sides to refrain from posting offensive messages about religion. All yours and other such posts are in violation of NDTV code that no offensive messages should be posted. These offensive posts are also violating law of the land.

Mr. truehindu you have been marked as a violator of code of NDTV for keeping on posting offensive messages. Wait for action.

No Mr. truehindu you are wrong. Whatever may be the reason for you to post offensive messages against Islam the result is that you have become a cause of abuse to Hindu religion. You could have taken a stand like me. No excuses and arguments can justify your action. It is bad that you have posted another offensive message just after I requested you to stop it.

I register a strong protest against offensive missages being posted by Desh_Premi, truehindu, Aaman, Patriot10, rumor_monger and other users posting offensive messages.While one group of these users abuse Islam, other group abuses Hinduism. I am a Hindu and I cannot tolerate such abuse to my religion. While one group is directly abusing my religion, the other group is causing this abuse to be hurled at my religion and Hindu Gods. I request all such users to stop this immediately. They should not be under wrong impression that their abuses on the interner are beyond the reach of police.

Mr. Desh_Premi, I register my strong protest on your offensive messages abusing my faith on this and other boards. I request you and other users like you to stop this. Your messages are hurting my religious feelings. I can not sit idle and take these abuses. I request you to immiediately stop this. Please don't be under impression that abusing on internet is beyond the reach of law and order authorities.

Mr. rumor_monger you say that you offer regular prayers to Allah, but then howcome you are posting such offensive messages. Prayer to Allah showers His grace on the people. Does it mean that Allah has not considered you worthy of His grace even after you are offering Him regular prayers?

Are you keeping a count on number of offensive messages you have posted on the board. Well I keeping a record of such messages. If these abuses on the board do not stop then this record will be passed on to concerned law and order authorities.

If these abuses are being hurled at Mother Sita then Mr. Patriot10 you are responsible for that. You are the cause for these abuses. I am once again request you and other board users like you to stop this. Debate on topics created by NDTV. Stop posting abuses on faiths. Don't think misusing internet is beyond reach of concerned authorities.

I would not have bothered if you people were abusing each other on personal level. But when you abuse others' faith and they in return abuse your faith, and when incidentally I belong to one of these faiths, then I can not keep quite. When some users are becoming a cause for abusing my faith then they should be told to shut up and behave. You people can not use NDTV board to abuse my faith. So far I have been requesting you people to stop it. Pleasze stop it and debate on issues in a decent manner. Your messages should not hurt anybody.

Mr. holyislam, your understanding is wrong. Hindus were never slaves of Islam. It is muslims who have ruled India. Those Hindus who were afraid have already converted to and become slaves of Islam. Your forefathers were one of them.

You say you offer regular prayers. How then you can hate somebody? Prayers bring peace of mind. Prayers showers you with grace of Allah. How after getting this gift of Allah you write such offensive messages? And if somebody sees your faith in bad light he will be answerable to his God. Leave it to Allah. He has granted you His faith. He is Almighty. You think that He needs your help to protect the faith?

Mr. Earthquake, I do not understand why you should take it as an offense, if someone worships elephant God? It is not a rational thinking. You should confine yourself to prayers of your Allah. Let others worship as per their faith.

Mr, rumor_monger why don't you understand? Life is very short. Why you are wasting it in abusing Hindu Gods? You should use it for offering prayers to Allah. It will bring you peace, love of Allah and a place in Jannat.

Your message is offensive. It will not earn you any dollor,Mr.truehindu, but only displeasure of Bhagwan.

Have you ever thought that your Allah may be having a coalition arrangement with Hindu Gods? If it is so then your abusing Hindu Gods will earn you displeasure of Allah.

Maulama should read recent article of Dr. Rafiq Zakaria on family planning in HT of September 19.

Have you read Dr. Rafiq Zakaria's recent article in HT of September 19 - 'In support of family planning'?

Physically I will agree as he looks quite healthy. But mentally, NO. His attitude towards life and people is not positive.

I don't think Lord Rama is going to be happy with you for abusing Prophet.Abusing others' faith is a crime against God, be It Allah or Bhagwan.

I don't think Lord Rama is going to be happy with you for abusing Prophet.Abusing others' faith is a crime against God.

If you think that by abusing Hindu Gods you will receive love of Allah and get a place in Jannat, then you are wrong. You are only disgracing yourself in this life and spoiling all chances of being awarded Jannat after death. You have posted many offensive messages and compounded your crime against Allah.

Mr. simplycitizen, do you think that by posting such offensive message you will recive love of Bhagwan?

Hey desh_premi, do you think that by posting such offensive message you will receive love of Allah?

Is abusing others' religion a new type of prayer?

Are some users on the board abusing others' religion in the hope that their own God will be very happy with them?

By reading messages on this board should one conclude that these people are true followers of their reszpective faith?

My dear agniputra, when I said that Indian people are trying to keep criminals out of Lok Sabha and State Assemblies I meant those criminals who are already in. Why you suddenly jump to conclusions and start taking names? Why you can't stick to the issue and post your views?

Keep your cool agniputra. Your sudden burst of anger has deflected the message thread.

Your three line message if accepted by people will remove all isms. Unfortunately it is not practical and advisable.

You are proposing a very difficult code of conduct for politicians. Please allow me to correct you. Politicians are not citizens of India. They are VIPs, much above than the nation.

And Indian people are talking to keep criminals out of Lok Sabha and State assemblies. Is he contesting on congress ticket?

What has happened. First mullahs said that Gudia should return to her first husband. Now mullahs are saying that she should return to her second husband. Is this Gudia a woman or some commodity? Is anybody bothered what she thinks about it? And where are human right activists?

Congress should apologise for trying to introduce reservation on communal lines. Will congress do it? No, it is incapable of any positive action. And I am sure congress will find some other way to appease muslims.

Mr. valalwi, you seem to be doing research on communalism and its various aspects. A good going. Keep on posting your findings.

More congratulations

For a change a nice message from you Mr. valalwi. Congratulations.

If you permit me to use 'should' Mr. Valalwi, I will say that dream of every Indian should be a positive relationship between all people and peaceful coexistence. Do you agree with me?

You have done quite a research but your conclusions are not entirely correct. Your message is too late if you refer to BJP in power before election 2004. It is too soon if you refer to BJP in power after next election.

You say that people of Pakistan seems to be a nice bunch. But have you read the news where a report says that majority of pakistani people support suicide attacks if carried out for Islam? Now will you like to revise your opinion?

If there were some aspects of the case which were not covered by existing inquiry set up, then its scope could have been enlarged. An additional inquiry will eat away lot of money and other resources. It is certainly not a good decision from management point of view. Wasting national resources to settle political scores is a national crime. The unfortunate thing is that the criminal minister is being praised for this politically motivated wrong decision.

A nice view point. Politicisation of festivals is a stunt created by EC in its bid to project itself before the world as a great institution. It is a habit with some Indians to undermine their culture to impress upon others.

Forget about elections,votes and politics. Enjoy your festivals. 'Enjoy and let other enjoy' should be our slogan.

Why do you use such abusive language in your messages Mr. badvani?

Let us see if people of Maharashtra wish to have another round of misrule.

I am inclined to agree with you. India is only chasing a mirage. Pakistan can never be a friend. There is so much talk about people to people relations. But a report says that majority of pakistani people support suicide attacks if carried out for Islam.

Do you have any suggestions Mr. Valalwi?

This is a valid point you have raised Mr. Amit. Few days back Musharraf said that Pakistan will never give up Kashmir. Today's news is that majority of pakistanis support suicide attacks if carried in the nane of Islam. Can you have friendship with such a country and such people?

No one can disagree with you Mr. ChandKSharma.The earliest Indiann leaders and people understand it the better it will be for everybody.

You are right Mr. Arun. Pakistan will never change. It seems that India will also not change. Manmohan Singh is also following the path of Nehru to Vajpayee PM club.

I can not think of one.

You are right Mr. Eshwar. USA and UK have been doing this for ages, and our leaders are happy that they been treated like a king. Both USA and UK know that Indian leaders will be satisfied with persoal honour. Nothing more is required. It is only Musharrraf they are worried about. He is a hard person to be pleased by such gimmicks. He takes every favour one can think of and then abuses both USA & UK. Shameless americans and britishers then say that he had to do it to satisfy his constituency in Pakistan, and grant him more favours.

Today's news is that India and UK have united to combat terrorism. What they were doing so far, fighting to encourage terrorism? Till when India will continue making such statements with other countries? The fact is that India is fighting its war against terrorism alone, and will continue to do so in guture. Other countries will offer only statements.

You are right. Bridges can not be build with a shovel in one hand and dynamite in the other hand.

While one may get satisfaction that he has abused someone he does not realize that his thought process is also being affected. Human capability to see good in others is undermined if one tries to see only bad things in others. Mr. badvani if you do not believe in RSS ideology then you should counter them on ideological front rather than abusing them. If abuses could defeat RSS then it would have vanished from Indian scene long back. You should also worry about your personality which may become negative if you pursue this hate process.

hardline hatderline hardest - why don't you change your mindset?

Please don't blame badvani. There are many like him who have fallen pray to false propaganda of christians and muslims. RSS want that every Indian should think and act like an Indian. As C&M are also having loyalties across the border, they are afraid that this RSS stand will pose a danger to their survival in India. And then there are congress, communisdts and others who continuously feed poison to them.

Please don't blame badvani. There are many like him who have fallen pray to the propaganda of christians and muslims. RSS ideology is sarva dharna sadbhava.They only want that every Indian should think and act like an Indian. As christians and muslims have their loyalties across the border also they feel threatened with this RSS stand. And then there are congress, communists and other self-dtyled groups to feed poison.

It is very nice to have someone who can evaluate debating skills of people. Will you please inform the criteria you have adopted for evaluation? It will sure help other to improve their debating skills.

Those who compare RSS with taliban have fallen pray to the propaganda of christians and muslims. RSS ideology is sarva dharna sadbhava.They only want that every Indian should think and act like an Indian. As christians and muslims have their loyalties across the border also they feel threatened with this RSS stand. And then there are congress, communists and other self-dtyled groups to feed poison.

Let me define it for you. Secularism is sarva dharma sadbhav. It means respect for all faiths and peaceful coexistence. The concept of secularism is only embeded in Hinduism. No other religion speaks of this concept. Some other religions talk of brotherhood but that concept is limited to the followers of that religion omly. As this concept is foreign to their religions, christians and muslims have not been able to understand it. They have twisted its meaning and have connected it with such issues which it has got nothing to do. They are in fact afraid of this concept. They feel if practiced it will pose a threat to their religions.

It is only Hinduism which has the concept of secularism - sarva dharna sadbhav.

Yes, secularism is the only solution, secularism defined as 'sarva dharna sadbhav' and not as appeasement of non-Hindus.

It is only Hinduism. There is nothing like hardline Hinduism. Yes, BJP is a political party wedded with the ideology of RSS, and I think this is the right ideology. The early Hindus realize it the better it will be for India.

Yes, BJP should embrace Hinduism and all Hindus should embrace BJP.

All political parties adapt one stands when in power and other when not in power. It is incorrect to blame only one party. As far as taking part in freedom movement is concerned, neither present-day congress nor any other party with whom it is alligning presently have participated in freedom movement. India ows its freedom to those who have died for the country and not those who claimed rewards after India became free.

You are right. If India want to compete in global market it has no other alternative except controlling its population growth, and adopting one-child normis the antyral answer.

Some people hate RSS because they do not know RSS. The think they know RSS but whatever they know has been fed in to their minds by congress, communists and others who want to survive on minority vote banks. These parties are practicing politics of hate and for decades they have been injecting this hate into the thought process of people. In this hate-environment RSS is the only hope for Hindus.

Sometime I also feel that when all political parties, media and self-styled secularists are accusing BJP of embracing Hinduism then would it not be appropriate for Hindus to embrace BJP. Those political parties who are hell bent on minority appeasement will not do any good for Hindus. Supporting and voting for such parties will be disloyalty for Hinduism. In last election BJP had extended hand of friendship to minorities but they refused to accept it. There is no use in wasting time and energy on minority vote bank.

Nice going. Let truehindu win the match.

Keep it up. You have to win the match.

You also do that. Afterall it is a match which you should win.

I am also in the game. Try to compete with me.

A match of abuse hurling is being played on NDTV board. There are no rules except that each message should have at least one abuse for other users, their religion, and also those who are not playing the match. Players are required to count their abuses and the user scoring maximum abuses will be named Abuse-Champion.

I apologise to all those MB users who took time to engage in abuse hurling under the topic 'Code of conduct'. I was asking too much from you fellows. Please continue with your favourite passtime.

Khel main haar jeet to lagi rehti hai, lekin India ka is tarah haarna har Indian ko takleef deta hai. Aapka gussa justified hai. Jaroorat is baat ki hai ki khel ko kis tarah sudhaara jaye. Ek sahi leadership jaroori hai, har level par - sarkaar, cricket board, coach, players. Har jagah aise log hone chhahiye jo khel ko aur usse related sab problems ko samajhtey ho, aur bina kisi bhed bhaav ke unka samadhaan nikaal sakte ho.

Hey MB users, let us agree to a code of conduct: a) No personal abuses; b) No abusing of each other's faith and their religious Icons; c) No abusing those who are not taking part in debate on this board. You may disagree with others' views, but post your views in a decent manner. I declare that I will abide by this code of conduct.

Thanks

Are liars genuine and not-genuine?

Yes, Mr. voice_india. I accept God as makhanchor. As His follower I am also a chor. This is my relationship with my God.

But Mr. voice_india, how can your Allah bless me? I am a Hindu, a non-believer.

Mr. Facts raised a question about word shudra being used in Hindu religious books, The question has been answered by another user on the board. As it was addressed to me I would also like to explain. The word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

You really have a peculiar way of looking at things, Mr. voice_india. Accept my congratulations on Allah always blessing you. May be some day he will correct your way of thinking also.

A question was put by Mr. facts and was answered by a MBuser. I will also likr to explain the meaning of word 'shudra'. The word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identify these aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Thanks for answering question of Mr. facts. However I will also like to explain. Yes, shudra is a word used in Hindu religious books. It is right that the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Mr. Facts, your question has already been answered by another MB user. Let me also explain - the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Your question has been answered by another MB user. Let me also explain - the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

Mr. simple-truth has answered your question. Let me also explain - the word shudra describes the profession of a person. No body is shudra by birth. Four kinds of professions were identified to form four pillars of the society. Every one of them was important. With passage of time some aberrations set in. The strength of society is indicative by its capability to identifythese aberrations and correct them. Hindu society has had many social reformers who had worked relentlessy to correct such distortions. This phenomenon is not limited to Hindu society only. All societies have their own aberrations and all of them try to correct them. I hope your doubts are now clear.

It is a good habit to read newspapers. But it is an equally bad habit to form opinion without thinking and then start posting messages. Your hate for Hindus is so intense that that you will post a hate message on any issue. A person makes predictions about the outcome of a cricket match, and you start deciding who is a deshdrohi. Come out of this hate and behave like a normal human being. May your Allah bless you.

Good morning to all and a very good morning to rumor-monger. Your's is a very short message but contains many misconceptions. One, there is no term 'dalit' in any Hindu religious book. Second, there is no concept of untouchability in Hinduism. However, it is a fact that some people have been practicing untouchability, but it was not sanctioned by religion. The aim was to prove oneself superior to others, and some people misused religion for this anti-human practice. Such undersirable practices are prevalent in all socities. Hindu society has always been progressive, and at different times many social reformers have worked to remove such problems. Those who left Hinduism and converted to Islam or Christianity did it by disowning Hinduism. If they had considered Hinduism as their religion and fought against the injustice things would have been different. It is never too late for homecoming. Why don't you also try it?

Yes,in some cases force can change, as has happened with your forefathers. But there are martyrs, like Guru Gobind Singh Ji's two sons who gave their life but did not change their faith.

Very nice compliments - 'narrow minded,ignorant fascist nut'. But I am sorry I cannot accept them. Returned with thanks.

No, it is a fact, my dear Facts.

These are Islamic definitions of 'being merciful' and 'most compassionate' - 'roasted in the boiling oil by Allah'. You will not find then in any dictionary but only in Quran.

You are wrong christian cowboy. People change religion either under fear of death or for some monetary or other gains. But why I am telling you all this? You know it as your forefathers have changed their religion to evade death and to get some easy money. A peson who is not loyal to his born faith can not get any respect and equality in society. It is only wasting a life on borrowed faith.

Very interesting. laloo, aalloo, bhaloo - criminals,terrorrists,murderers,looters - By any chance do you write nursury poems?

You have very interesting views Mr. nspremi.

People jump and dance when celenrating. It is a normal human reaction when somebody is happy and enjpying the festivals. One who sulks can not understand this. Hey Tammali, come out of thisnegative mindset and be positive. Then you yourself will start jumping with joy.

Here again your approach is negative. Truth is not bitter but sweet. Truth always wins. In fact God has many names and Truth is one such name.

You have studied what manuvadis are doing and have commented on it. Now what have you studied about what mullahs are doing and what bible are doing?

It is nice for you to say that your festival and religion should not prevent others right to live. By the way what is your religion?

Let some people politicise the festivals. Why should you bother? You enjoy your festival. And don't nurse misplaced concerns. Ganpati will not be confused.

No body can take custody of festivals. Festivals bring joy and break the monotony of day-to-day life. Forget about RSS/ BJP/ Bajrang Dal/ VHP and Shiv Sena & Hindu festivals and enjoy your eid. If you can develop a positive attitude towards life then every day will be a eid for you.

I am not blaming any human being. But why should you worry? The message was not addressed to you.

Rating this message as informative is really funny.

Some people have nothing positive to offer. This tammali fellow is another virus on the board.

Your posts are so illogical that you should not have an ID voice_india.

A virus attacking the board with an ID similar to one already existing but with change in spelling. This is the true colour of anti-India muslims.

The right message should read as follows: " Muslim appeasers and traitors of Hindu faith, filled with hatred, can never stand difference of opinions. They believe that by shouting, yelling , abusing, making illogical arguments ..would drown the sane voice of secular, tolerant Hindus. But they are saddly mistaken. Secuclar Hindus are getting more stronger and thier convictions gets stronger with every criticism agaisnt them. Tolerant and seuclar Hindus have battles to fight agaisnt intolerant and appeased minorities and also intolerant traitors of Hindu faith."

Trye. A large section of muslims living in India are dreaming of another pakistan in India. Their dream has suffered a jolt after Gujrat riots. They never thought that Hindus can also cross the limits of tolerance. It has terrified them, and that is why so much hue and cry is being raised. Muslim appeasers and traitors of Hindu faith are also terrified.

If only congress had joined Uma Bharati's yatra, then the scenerio would have been different. For Indian people would have been it as a joint effort of Indian political parties to glorify the Tiranga. But congress decided to oppose it terming it as an election stunt. It is unfortunate that ruling party is having a negative mindset even on issues of national pride.All people with right thinking will consider this yatra a positive milestone in the history of India.

Lalloo calls Advani an absconder and mulls term it as a challenge to BJP. No body thinks logically that such a statement should be considered anti-national and Lalloo should be prosecuted. Accusing ex-Deputy PM of India being involved in murder conspiracy of a leader of an enemy state is not being taken serious note of. Only a paki or an ISI agent will talk like this.

Sometimes I also feel that Hindus have paid a heavy price for their tolerance. Independent India had a history of Hindu-Muslim riots. In these riots, both Hindus and muslims suffered. But whenever number of muslim victims was more a loy of hue and cry was raised. Opposite to this, if Hindu victims were more no body was disturbed. Only Hindus were killed in Godhra, but congress and communists demanded arrest of leaders of Hindu organizations. Both Hindus and muslims were killed in Gujrat riots, but they are talking only of muslim victims and not of Hindu victims. It is one case where Hindus came out of this tolerance syndrome and reacted to the killings of fellow Hindus. All the forces have ganged up against Hindus, be it a political party, an activist group, NHRC or SC.

It is wrong to rate amitmehraa's message as offensive. The message only contains what Jinnah and Al Beruni said. By rating this message as offensive, one is rating as offensive the statements of Jinnah and Al Beruni. The contents of the message are thought provoking.Can Muslims and Hindus really live together in peace when they differ in every thought and practice?

Mr. sanjay from Mumbai, if Shiv Sena considers itself to be sole guardian of Hindus, why should you take it as an offence? You are a Hindu and have full freedom, accept it or don't accept it. You yourself can take up cause of Hindus. Leave this negative attitude. It kills individuality and creativity. Have you realised that your most of the time and energy are being wasted in only criticising those whom you dislike? Save this time andenergy and use it for productive purposes.

UN General Assembly Resolution affirms, "We believe that the objective of family planning is the enrichment of human life, not its restriction, that family planning, by assuring greater opportunity to each person, frees man to attain his individual dignity and reach his full potential....family planning is in the vital interest of both the nation and the family."

You are doing well Zafina. Soon you will become champion-user for posting only hate messages.

Zafina,you seem to be new on the board. It is unfortunate that you are also starting with posting hate messages.

Is MMS the first PM who had said that corruption should be removed in judiciary and police? If corruption could be removed by words then India would have been zero-corruption state. And what about corruption in the government, where icons of corruption are sitting in council of ministers headed by MMS himself. God will bless him and nation will be with him if he removes all corrupt ministers from the ministry.

Ordering another probe when a probe is already going on is a very bad management decision. If any aspect was missing in the existing probe's scope then the scope should have been enlarged rather than ordering an additional probe. Such probes do not come free. Who will pay the cost of the additional probe, Lalloo or MMS?

Lalloo said that Amar Singh is a dalal of big industrial houses. In reply Amar Singh said that Laluji loves to hobnob with criminals, murderers and gangsters and promote their business interests. Promoting business interests of criminals, murderers and gnagsters is also dalali. Lalloo is something more. He is an ISI agent and a beef smuggler

No Mr. bharatvasi, I am not behind english media but in front of them calling them newssellers. Sometime back there was a debate on this issue and one editor of a large circulation english daily has said that english news editors are prostitutes. You give them money and they will write editorials on you or any other person of your choice, and in any form you want.

Cowboy, enemy of Indian Nation, it is not a challenge but anti-India tirade of Lallo, an ISI agent.

Hey you chrisyian cowboy, descendent of traitors of born faith, wasting life on borrowed faith are talking which only a Paki will talk. Any Indian calling ex-DPM of India an absconder for involvement in a conspiracy to kill a leader of an enemy state, is himself an enemy of Indian nation. Tomorrow, for some gain, you and your lalloo will call Indian soldiers absconders for killing paki soldiers. Lalloo is not loyal to India and should be tried for treason and people like you should be tried along with him.

Another rumor by rumor-monger. Lalloo is behaving like an agent of ISI, a spokesman of paki government, a beef supplier to Bangladesh.

Yeh Lalloo is surely out for something, but it is not what people are thinking - secularism, love for downrodden and blah blah blah .. He is after the chair of Prime Minister. He also knows that being CM of Bihar or a minister in central government is one thing and becoming PM is another matter. PM represents the entire country in the world forum. Indian people will never accept Lalloo as PM. For this he has a plan to seek outside support. He has already revived a paki allegation of Advani being involved in conspiracy to kill a paki leader. He has lifted the ban on cow movement on trains to facilitate smuggling of cows to Bangladesh. The suspicion is growing that he has been recruited by ISI as its agent in India. The price of ISI support could be gifting J&K to pakistan.

Why are you feeling offended Mr. Bharatvasi? Are you one from English media?

I am inclined to agree with you. With so many terrorist and their congi supporters operating in Mumbai the Marathaland would certainly have become another J&K. Thakre and his army are preventing it from becoming a muslim majority state.

Your concern is misplaced. Think logically Mr. Ramesh and you will agree with me.

Not only Shiv sena but any party will lose if there is infighting.

Voters in Maharashtra should learn from the grave mistake Indian people committed in last elections by giving a fractured verdict. The verdict was manipulated by congress at center and in Karnataka. This time a clear mandate should be given to BJP + SS alliance. Under no circumstances Cong-NCP alliance should never be allowed to return to power.

The rumor of the day - rumor-monger is a kind hearted Indian. It seems that you are always busy with reading Panchjanya. Yet in another message you say that you will not like to read Panchjanya. Beside being a rumor monger you are also a liar. Which one of the two is a rumor?

Hey rumor-monger, you are a great rumor monger, the undisputed champion of all rumor mongers across the world. Here you say that you do not wanna spoil yourself by reading panchjanya, but under another post you have said that you read Panchjanya for BJP-dacoits. Is this message a rumor or the other message was a rumor?

Hey cowboy wasting your life on borrowed faith? You have no moral right to talk about Hindus and their faith. But if your forefathers had any moral they would not have convereted to christianity, and you would not be wasting your life abusing Hindus and their faith.

Hey voice_india, are you also a descendent of traitors of their born faith? They came in this world as Hindus but died as muslims or christians. Wasted entire life on borrowed faith.

Only a person with illogical thinking will talk like this. Each religion has its own myths. Bible is full of myths. The myths are written to make people believe. But you will not understand O descendent of traitors of born faith. Shame on your forefathers and you, converting to christianity for fear of death and some monetary gains. Now when you have become christian why don't you practice your borrowed faith? Stop posting messages about Hindus and Hinduism.

Hey rumor-monger, your reaction is natural. Every rumor monger believes that what he is saying is plain truth. It is in his blood.A rumor monger is made like that. Sorry pal but this is the reality. Don't feel bad. Read Panchjanya with respect. It will help you in converting to a normal person.

And what other services you are providing to your BJP-dacoits?

Hey rumor-monger, don't spread rumors on this board.

When did you last read it?

A rumor monger not only in ID but in real life also.

Why are you reading Panchjanya? It is only for those Indians who are loyal to India.

Double-speak is a typical congress culture. MMS will talk sense but his actions are opposite to whathe says. Poor fellow, has lost his individualism by working under the shadow of Sonia.

Congratulations for giving a right answer to your own question. The difference is that congress is a traitor where pakis are not. Paki are loyal to their country, but congress is not loyal to India.

This fellow Prasad may have many IDs, but he can not change his family history. He is a descendent of those Hindus who were traitors to their born faith, converting to Islam for fear of death and some monetary gains. It is in his blood. Sometime he will post with a Hindu name and sometime with a christian name. But the contents will always be same - full of hate for Hindus and their faith and disloyalty to Indian Nation.

Bad Vani wrote a nice message - truth prevails, humanity prevails. But then was taken over by hate for RSS and gave an abusive heading to the message. Is bad vani is helpless and cannot come outof hate syndrome?

To settle political issues with BJP, congress raised Hubli case. And what was the issue - BJP was asking for removal of tainted ministers from the council of ministers. The reply of congress to this was disrespect to Tiranga. Now congress is doing damage control over disrespect shown to National Anthem. In its hate for Modi and his Gujrat, congress deleted word Gujrat itself from National Anthem. What congress is up to? Does it have a relation with a non-Hindu and a foreigner heading congress?

NIL

'Now what'is nickname of muslim prasad.

No right thinking person will disagree with you. Congress indeed has become a liability on the country. It has become a party of Jaichands of 21st century. MKG rightly suggested that congress should be disbanded after India became free. India would have been a different country if his sugeestion was accepted.

Your hate for khaki mickers seem to have overtaken your thought process. Now Mr. Prasad you cannot think anything other than khaki nockers. Leave the board for sometime, pray to your Allah. He will give you peace.

No Mr. Prasad you can't be a Hindu. There is so much hate in your posts. Some of your posts are anti-Hindu and anti-HInduism. You are a muslim as only a muslim living in India can have so much hate for Hindus and their faith.

Your credentials are doubtful. You go by an ID Prasad, a Hindu name, but talk like a muslim. As a majority of muslims living in India are not loyal to this country, you will naturally oppose POTA like laws. Congress and its opportunist calition partners have taken this decsion simply to appease muslims like you.

Muslims living in India are descendents of those Namakharaam Hindus who converted to Islam due to fear of death or some monetary gains. Only traitors will be born to traitors of their own faith.

UPA government has taken a wrong decision for withdrawing POTA. Simply because politicians use it as a tool to settle political scores, it does not lessen its need. Congress should have created a national consensus amongst political parties not to misuse it, rather than withdrawing it. Do common people not have any right to feel secure and live without any threat to their lives? They do not have commandoes to protect them. Will every decsion in India be taken by keeping in mind the interest only of politicians?

Who are you Prasad, a Hindu or a muslim (traitor to your born faith)?

Please don't treat such a serious matter so casually. Presence of a mole in the central government is a security risk for the country?

When a minister in central government raises the issue of conspiracy of the murder of a leader of enemy country and says that India's ex-DPM is involved and is absconding, it raises a doubt about his integrity. Has the minister been recruited by ISI to work as its agent in India? Suppose it is true then Indian cabinet is having a mole. Should UPA government not order an inquiry? Why Sonia led congress is keeping silent on such a sensitive matter?

Which BJP ruled state is next?

A person of foreign origin will always be a suspect of insulting Tiranga and National Anthem. It is unfortunate that such a person is holding a highly powerful posiyion. Shame on impotent congressmen.

Was it an inadvertent omission or a deliberate act to insult National Anthem? Kerala CM says that he has inquired and found that it was an inadvertent mistake and has been corrected. He has only his word. Will it not be proper to order an independent investigation? Afterall congress is investigating every act of NDA government. Let it investigate one of its own action also.

India, as a nation, needs POTA like laws. Need of such laws does not disappear if political parties use them as a tool for settling political scores.

Like it has manipulated peoples' verdict in its favour, congress has mainpulated census figures by keeping out a sizable percentage of muslims out of muslim population. What else can be expected from this champion of manipulators? Nehru mainpulated MKG and became PM on the dead bodies of Indians who gave their life for India's freedom and also those who were killed in post-partition riots. His legacy is on in the form of muslim appeasement.

A spokesman of Muslim Personal Law Board has said that population growth is a socio-economic issue. It has nothing to do with religion. Muslims will continue to remain a burden for India till they start looking at family planning as a tool to control population growth.

Fact is a one-track mind tutored by a cunning mullah. He does not realize that mullah has made a fool of him, and has made a non-believer out of him. Fool fact has insulted Allah by comparing HIM with someone less great. Now fact is doomed for life and also after that.

You have committed a sin by comparing Allah with someone who is not great as Allah. You will live a life of disgrace and after death you will go to hell.

He has also been recruited by ISI to work as their agent in India. Today he has accused Advani of conspiracy to kill a pakistani leader. Tomorrow he will accuse our soldiers for killing pakistani terrorists.

Different people call HIM by different names. There is nothing like being greatest as HE is the only one. When you say greatest then there must be someone who is less great. Such thinking is against HIM.

Being in and out of power is a part of democracy. We Indians should be proud of such peaceful transition of power. It is the strength of Indian democracy. Please don't add a bitter taste by using abusive language.

Congress and other political parties have agreed on a common minimum programme for governance of India. BJP led opposition alliance also have their CMP. These CMPs are made with larger interests of concerned political parties in mind and national interests take a back seat. Because of this a tendency is growing to waste lot of time and resources in investigating actions of the previous governments. This negative attitude should be discouraged. All political parties, whether in power or opposition, should put national interests in the forefront and agree on a CMP. They should then work to achieve the aims & objectives set in the CMP. This will create a single national purpose and avoid wastage of time and resources in unnecessary probes and disruption of parliament. Afterall nation building is a team work and every political party claims that it is committed to it..

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Musalmaans living in India are decendents of traitors of their born faith, who converted to Islam for fear of death and some monetary gains. Majority of them are a liability for India and an increasing drain on natural resources. They are the cause of jehadi violance in India.

Christians living in India are decendents of traitors to their born faith, who converted to christianity for fear of death and some monetary gains. Majority of them (especially those on this MB) are also a disgrace to their adopted faith.

Central government should investigate why Lalloo has raised the issue of conspiracy to kill Jinnah and associate Advani with it. Lalloo seems to be acting as ISI agent in India.

Lalloo has raised the issue of conspiracy to kill Jinnah and linked Advani to it. Only a pakistani will associate ex-Indian-DPM with a conspiracy to kill a pakistani leader. But Lalloo is an Indian, so why is he doing it? Is he a mole in Indian government? Has he been recruited by ISI during his last visit to pakistan? This aspect is related to security of India and should be investigated by central government and security agencies.

Why are you wasting your talent on this MB? You have such a nice flare of writing which can be used by congress and leftists for writing text books for children.

A one-track hate message from a one-track mind full of hate.

You have an extraordinary command on using abusive words in any message on any topic. What did you do - PhD, MBA, Bachelor Degree?

You must be having a large number of children, or else why should you feel offended with one-child norm?

You are talking of India adopting one-child norm, whereas mullahs are not even ready to accept two-child norm.

With his statement about Advani being an international absconder for being a party in conspiracy to kill Jinnah, Lalloo has become a security risk. Only a paki agent will level such charge against Ex-DPM of India. Has Lalloo been recruited by ISI during his last visit to Pakistan? Whether he is a mole in Indian givernment should be investigated, and in the meantime he should be isolated from all government work.

The issue of Advani being involved in a conspiracy to kill Jinnah was raised by Paki dictator to counter Indian government's insistence to hand over listed terrorists to India for their crimes. Everybody knew that there was no substance in this charge. Now Lalloo has raised this issue. To what extent this man can go? Only a Paki agent can speak like this. May be he has been recruited by ISI when he visited Pakistan and was very popular there. Paki PM has also praised him. It would be advisable for PM and Indian security agencies to investigate his credentials as a Paki mole in Indian government.

With your illogical thinking BJP is sure to loose at least your one vote, if you are a voter in Mumbai.

A hope was raised by the statement of Vice-president that board was ready to discuss family planning. But mullahs have again dragged the board to square one. These mullahs will never allow a large section of muslims to join national mainstream. This section it seems will continue to remain a liability on national resources, and will never convert in to assets. One mullah says that family planning is not Islamic. Other mullah says that there is no place for family planning in Islam. Yet another mullah says that the board will be better off talking about development and education rather than family planning. But this mullah is such an idiot that he does no