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RADHIKARAJEN
Location: Bangalore
Email: radhikarajen@vsnl.net
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Heaven and hell are in this planet earth, no where else in some other space, they are the nett results of our good and evil deeds in society.Good deeds of good in society give heaven to humans and living beings in society,hell is created by all the evil deeds on faith, caste and greed of the humans creating miseries and deceases for the life in society.
In democratic life when good governance of rule of law without discrimination on caste, religion and region is present life of all in society is good as heaven.
While it is amusing to see the board hosting a post, calling the vice president of the nation a traitor, and rebuttals or clarifications remain and then vanish, is this freedom of expression or agressive posturing of "secular " credentials of the channel. ?
A criminal under investigation for acts of terrorism gets support from electronic media not because he is human, but because he is follower of a faith, is this role of an impartial media or "secular" act of being anti-national, defeating the investigative agencies in their object of gathering evidence, while the said person is more loyal to the faith than the nation. ?
With such dismal lows in media and journalism is it worthwhile to debate the one sided illegal illogical aspects in life of the nation. ?
With these thoughts, it is wise to withdraw from the debate is my wish. So goodbye good of the society as God, be with you all.
The anguish and anxiety is justified, when the followers of faith, Islam, realise that for every fanatic they support using their clout as vote banks, their faith is getting stigmatised,with lawyers defending the culprits for the greed for the money, humanity sees this as acts of faith in bringing forth their clout in society with brute force, not by winning hearts with good behaviour but by violence.
This is the prime reason that in society the skull cap and hejab is despised as it is used for imposing the will of a "minority" on the society.Thus Islam is getting stigmatised by the acts of violence as willing or unwilling followers of faith are not out there to condemn the heinous acts of violence but silence confuses the society that they are abetting the crimes.
Few weeks ago, an id from Australia, claiming to be "indian" muslim was busy posting hate messages for all the MB users on faith.He was busy talking of violent reprisals for all in India, and it is matter to speculate whether that id owner has landed in heaven or in the burns ward as his mullas in burkhas ran away from the promised jannath,leaving the followers to burns wards. ?
No faith has shown the way of violence and death, but good way of life to live in harmony in the world, why this madness is the wonder for all citizens to think about.
Agree with your conclusions, all the posts of mine have vanished too. !!!!
People ? India ? Honest ?? Answer ???, too much to expect as all are accustomed to dishonest practise right from birth certificate to income certificate, caste certificate, driving license, job experience etc.
Well said, Mr. nariman, Sir, citizens of the nations all over the world have not overlooked the truthful fact that all those educated, the doctors and engineers, are muslims, muslims in general are most fanatics when it comes to the faith cutting across the national barriers, otherwise how can they only think of some muslims in some parts of the nation like Kosovo, palestian etc, but not about the other human tragedies they inflict on humans at kashmir. ?
The leftists and their "intellectuals always blame the saffron brigades and VHP etc, but all those in different countries have always been loyal to the nation that they have adopted to live. Many who have taken citizenship in US of America and UK have enrolled in defence for that nation.Even in indian armed forces, the loyalty of men is not questioned as it is presumed.
It only proves the adage that has come to use after 9/11, that all muslims are not terrorists, but terrorists are muslims. !!!!
A LADY WHO WAS CHIEF GUEST AT A CONVOCATION FUNCTION IN a scholl told students that all women go to heaven, and she continued the talk with this anecdote, reported in Deccan Herald, that a woman who saw Peter at heavens gate also saw a board with lots of bulbs in that board. She asked about the bulbs, Peter told her, madam, this is a special board, when ladies tell lies, the board lights turn red light, just as he said, suddenly all the board lights turned red, to the surprise of the lady at the heavens' gate, Peter told her, it is newstime in tv channels. !!!!
Proud hindu.
Incomplete job of the temple held hostage by Con-gress with mulla yadav.
all the works for the temple are ready for installation in the age of outsourcing,please visit, karsevak puram.
Once lands purchased are denotified by the courts which were legally purchased by the trust are handed over, it will be reality for the next generation.
If one thinks of bravery and sacrifice -- Zansi laxmi.
If one has to think of patriotism and sacrifice -- Subhash Chandra Bose.
If one thinks of social justice and equity --Dr. Bhima rao Ambedkar.
If one thinks of smiling for the nation with the sacrifice of their lives, there is a brigade led by Bhagath Singh, Sukhdev, Rajguru.
India has exemplary icons, eclipsed by the clouds of sycophants in the nation.
You have full rights to think, if today indian soldier is ordered to fire he does not think, he obeys, being civilians all can only think, need not act in the safety of the drawing rooms. ?
Police action that you mention had dyer as the officer commanding who was shot dead later by indian martyrs for the nation and freedom.
May be a blue turbanator, whose heart is heavy for the traitors, grieving with them for the patient in burns ward. ?
But, no, he is busy with the defensive statements for the financial frauds of the would be dummy post. ?
What would you call those in India who still welcome China and hail the 1962 aggression then painting the walls with red slogans welcoming Mao. ?
Opinion held on dear by an individual can not justify the word traitor unless backed by facts.
If working for british raj is held as traitor to the nation, many citizens today may have to be in for the punishment. Please remember this nation as a free nation,courtmartialled the soldiers of Indian National Army, Azad hind Fauz. !!!!
FM radio is singing , ek chumma udhar dei de, badle mein UP Bihar lele.!!!!
Reliable sources of the journalism can not be revealed except to a court of law in the interest of equity and justice.
As per myths, shiva drank all the venom of the churning of the oceans, here is one, likes nector. ?
Prathibha sure qualifies for being aam with janta as she looted thousands of farmers in her region.
Tradition of calling names to BJPwalas, ? But what about the village belle , a graduate in science from karnataka, married off to a paki doctor, secured a degree in medicine, served in saudi with her husband, for just 15 years, then both the pair worked in Bangalore medical College, earned crores, means of earning under scanner, sons with only a decade or less as engineer and doctors having 55 crores in prime property in prime area of St, Marks road, Bangalore, earning rents in crores, assets in crores by terror funds, heaven earned by terrorism, rottin sons in burn wards, they are saints ?
If that be the measure of yours, then let me remind you, all those now in public life had their parents, many of them, in government services in british era, just one sample, Margaret Alvas' husband Jokim Alva was an officer in british raj, good congress spokes person. ? many more examples are available all across the political spectrum including left, by this measure all those in elected positions may be traitors. !!!!
If that much of civic sense and responsibilty was present in the elected and the polity, we would not be witnesses to this thamasha of governance run by the elected.
Tarnished by deeds, the image of Prathibha can not never be tarnished any more, conwoman is being treated with Fair and Lovely cream manufactured by Congress. ?
In just sixty years of free India, citizens could so easily forget the politics of freedom, struggle for freedom from slavery, with heroic efforts of many successful millions for the nation, sacrifices of such is so easily overlooked is the sight that I dread most.Sacrifice of a post of premiership out of shear compulsions is mother of all sacrifices, politics is seen as dirty world of opportunists, but the moot issue here is politics is the art of governance in accordance with rules of laws common to all, without discrimination on the basis of faith, caste and region or language. that the citizens today are governed by partisan discrimination and bad rules of law, bent to the limit, broken for the power is the tragedy in the free India.
Many noble humans had success in the common good, but what we see today is individual success stories at the cost of large millions starving for the essentials in life, be it food, sheltor ,health care of basic human needs, so success has different meaning in todays' free India.National success be it in governance, healthcare, education or essential governance is mirage for common citizen without good governance.
With crores in numbered accounts and spending their time in resorts and hospitals the politician and bureacrat today is the symbol of success with industry key men with crores of assets of the common man, conned, but hardly able to enjoy life without the security of armed gunmen as escorts.Is this freedom that we sought ?
My perception of GOD is good of humans in society,extending good to all in society irrespective of faith caste or language which are only pointers to good honest ethical life.Humans when they live as good humans in civilised way of life with their chosen faiths in harmony with all others that is good of the society GOD.
Thoughts in the debating platform does not have the genitals for display. !!!! Only thoughts.
The symolic art degraded to ridicule the thoughts and faith is for the "artists" of perverted minds.
Mutual admiration societies of the posts such as "I fully support " "thanks for the full support" and the other similar mutual admiration will only cloud the other thoughts added with vitriolic comments such as "keep your feelings to yourself", "dumbhead, goons" and such other adjectives are making the board less with substance and more with spice. !!!!
If the participants respond the thoughts than calling names to the ids, debate could be more eventful, interesting.
Another sad trend is to term the messages as "offencive" and see that the moderator is convinced to delete it after the appearence.?
In a way MB truely represents the intolerent society that we live in. ?
While I very much respect your thoughts that you have on the mentioned organisations, that you have bunched them together does not justify the facts, shivsena is no doubt of semi-literate or educated fanatics of the faith, who conveniently sacrifice the idealogy if it is convenient that way, so also the bhajrangdal, which is a foece of militant hindus, but to club RSS in the same bunch of wild flowers is like putting a rose in the company of wild flowers. !!!!
RSS has never preached hatred but hindu unity above the caste cosiderations for the good of hindu society, yes, if attacked it has the right of self defence. RSS never has gone on offensive on any other faith, but yes, it hates traitors in the nation, irrespective of the faith./caste.
Yes, sir, truth is there out there in front of all of us, all the time, grasp of the truth is limited by factors like the view point, intellect and perspective. The mind and body conditioned in different circumstances gives different perspectives for the same truth.
That defence minister of a nation could be strip searched is big news in India, also that state minister for external affairs also has had to go thru the same in this , recently, is no news, may be because of his ill kept beard. !!!!
Oh, so president is a politican first, not first citizen of ethics and morals for others to emulate. !!!!
Which gave rise to creativity of a cartoonist, Abu, with the famous bath tub and signing of the proclamation of emergency,for a famous cartoon for the next generations, president was totally forgotten. !!!!
Whether one wants the pakis and saudis or that matter iraqis in India is decided by the callous approach of the citizens in the society.
Recent study by CFSL of the hard disc has given out over 3500 names of fanatic supports for the jihaad, mostly from infected areas in karnataka, Andhra, partly from kerala, Tamilnadu and UP.
That apart, those who come from kashmir for "business" soon get married locally, like in Hampi, a tourist site in karntaka, become sleeping cells to be woken up with e-mails. !!!!
Many who go to saudi, as others of the faith are not allowed to be there, get doctored in their brain wash, come back, become active cells for jihaad, ushering the kingdom of death, calling it as kingdom of God. ?
This is not election of a president for an elite club, for the nation, president and its office is sacrosanct, supreme commander of the forces, custodian of the democratic rule of law as in the constitution,above partisan party politics.
Now that a con-woman is in the race, party politics of petty nature is natural guttaral outflow in the divided polity, some for the con tricks, some for the ethics and morals in public life, many of the citizens sincerely wishing that they had the final say in this game to end this dirty game.
As each and every arm of governance being reduced to puppets in the governance, what else is to be expected, except money power to buy the votes. ?
Many thanks for the compliments of being two faces , being untruthful, thanks, I have not yet broken my finger, thanks for the prediction,and as to being man, or woman it does not matter for the thoughts for being genderless, as I have no intention to make love to you to prove it. !!!!
It only proves the nation and its citizens of this nation,that they are tolerent, considerate, when it comes to hundreds of jihaadis kill the innocents, national citizen says, all muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists are mulims,but one insane Godse, entire community becomes gandhi killers.
Great left handed logic of German nazi fascist origin being practised by so called secular leaders, requesting not to brand the community for the crimes of thousands of that faith, but one person of hindu faith, has some great criminal horrendous act of killing mahatma, all hindus are killers ?
While I empathise with your feelings, it is my effort to put out the post earlier posted on this issue of depiction of those revered in bad light in the name of the art and freedom of expression.
Shahjahan Akbar in his court had once ridiculed the citizens in his kingdom being the idol worshippers, but when an oil painting of his father was spit on, he was furious at the person who spit on it, Birbal, as Birbal asked him, Oh, Sir, this is only a painting of your dead father, why so much anger ?. The reply to this from Akbar, was this painting reminds me of my father.When gods and goddesses percieved as sacred and are worshipped the act of depicting such in crude nude paint as art work shows the mental frame of the person in persuit of material wealth as he does not have the guts to paint his own parents in coitus positions for gains as it may hurt his sentiments., not of the society. ?
Sincere thanks to MB and its moderator for this comedy of errors.
As can be seen the post has been put on board twice within a gap of three minutes., not by me.
Sir, slamming the "communal" BJP/ RSS will make your image as "secular intelligentia" of the nation, but intelligence channelised for communal ideals of class fight and support to fanatic islam supporters who in turn destroy the secular fabric of the nation by imposing the faith on divided majority majority.
In a nation which is supposed to be secular, this psuedo secular image that is the cause of concern for all citizens as faith is personal for citizens and has no role in good governance of the nation.
Behind every successful man there is efforts of a woman, behind every successful con-woman, there is "hand " of another con-woman. ?
dear friend, MB is itself a good eating place, where good thoughts are dished out to chew and think over for consumption. ? While one can ignore the ill tempered thoughts, or dishes that may cause indigestion, otherwise this forum is good place for meeting of minds. ?
Citizens in India are now getting accustomed to the statements of a Prime minister who says his heart goes out to the family members whose sons are in terrorist activities,instead of condemning the acts of such violence, presuming them even when caught with burning acts of terrorism, with 90 % burns, as innocents,it is sheer playing to the gallery for vote banks.
For the information of MB users, substantial evidence from hard disc regarding the contacts and methods of acts of terror has been found, but the authorities are tight lipped about all evidence, with efforts to make it a soft happening, the amusing part is many muslims are condemning the acts but the "secular" political outfits and "intellectuals" identified with left leanings are paying visit to comfort the family of terrorists, that too paki, Dr. Maqbool Ahmed who fudged his domicile for his indian wife. !!!!
Spiritual aspects are not that easy for grasp of human intelligence, in its simple explanations, it is easier to explain that the air that we breath, is pranavayu, windson, Anjaneya lives in us,prakruthi and purusha, nature and creativity, or stree and purush are the shakthi and shiva tatvas, for life and procreation.Thus human in his existence without the human flaws, but humane nature with absolute control over the animal base insticts, is divine existence.
Sir, please try new ideas, in old style, that is calling names as goons for BJP, and sangh parivar, please also talk of "human" rights of inhuman fanatics. ?
Again, it has got to do with the mindset, that is to bring in their kingdom of Allah, that they are justifying acts of violence that it is gods work, insha-allah,and the so called moderates can not cross swords with them, at times willing, many times unwillingly assist them and in the process wealth, funds is the gain, when they support inhuman acts of fanatics. Take Theesta who talks of rights of accused terrorists, it is strongly supported by the human right activists as they believe in rights of inhumans and not rights of peaceful humans. ?
Again, it has got to do with the mindset, that is to bring in their kingdom of Allah, that they are justifying acts of violence that it is gods work, insha-allah,and the so called moderates can not cross swords with them, at times willing, many times unwillingly assist them and in the process wealth, funds is the gain, when they support inhuman acts of fanatics. Take Theesta who talks of rights of accused terrorists, it is strongly supported by the human right activists as they believe in rights of inhumans and not rights of peaceful humans. ?
It comes as no surprise as India is housing many such fanatics, in the recent instance, the doctor who married a science graduate of a village background, later assisted her to secure a degree in medicine, both worked at Saudi, came with two sons from there, sons now rotting in custody. Issue is how easy for the pakistani to become indian national by marrying one, unlike in other nations, no tahsildar can sign domicile certificate for a few thousand rupees and make him indian, that is our India mahan.
Sir, private media channels may or may not tell the whole truth,but as citizens we do have our intellect, wisdom and experiences to judge these journalists. ?
Judiciary and journalism/ media is respected as they are self regulatory bodies who judge their own deeds and actions, if they are not clean, they loose credibilty. Viewership is there for all channels, as basic animal insticnts are catered by all the channels to varying degrees by gossip and views, titillation and semi-nude coverages. ?
With the type of tokenism doing the rounds in divided polity, regional sycophancy,the citizens are a divided lot seeing only their interests, not national welfare.
Thoughts that high post is for "enjoying", not to serve, is the tragedy of the times.It may well nigh impossible to have a common consensus of any sort when it comes to national interest.
How and when do they get hero status, being inhuman ? Two movies with crores spent by producers with linked money of smugglers, and total image make over, goon to gandhi. ? In addition multifold profits by box office. !!!!
Well articulated views, in its earlier version of meaning of jihaad, was to struggle for the faith, not violence for the faith. Islam in its true form, respects the individuals in other faith when it says in its tenet, your faith is yours, mine is for me.Mis-interpretation of tenets to term every one in other faith as infidel, a kfir, is totally contrary to tenets, but moderates who are in every forum like jamaath, Personal law boards, do more damage to the faith as they give calls for struggle for the faith, when they mean violence for the faith.
It is also because of sectoral fights of sunnis and shias, who like to kill each other. !!!!
True, that exactly is issue of concern. Islam faith has some radicals whom have loyalty to faith, but not to the nation of which they are citizens, expect all benefits as citizens but are traitors to the nation.
Worst still, other muslims knowing their traitors well, giving bad name to the faith are not ready to isolate, identify such traitors in or out of the nation, every parent talking of such being devout muslims, when they are inhuman kafirs, infidels to the nation as well as their faith in the practise of the faith.
Fringe elements in hindu faith likes of bhajarang dal may have goon boorish behaviour in self defence but have not stooped so low to sell their nation. Still these fringe groups are also not good for the harmonious life of the faiths.
Well, for your information, grand-mother of the doctor is a pakistani, his father has doubtable domicile certificate of domicile issued by a corrupt tahsildar with three different corrected inked versions of stay in karnataka,bombers stay for education in Engineering college at davangere is being probed as that of pakistani origin, manipulated records for study in india according well informed sources, police officers have no guts as yet to talk of Cds and materials seized of jihaad, seminars in SIMI country of UP. That doctor parents have unaccounted posh house and assets beyond the accounted earnings is under probe.
please note every terror suspect apprehended is always found with tonnes of money for his journey to jannath. !!!!
Sir, where were your one liners when fascist left unleashed terror in Nandigram and Singur. ?
Would it be that, what left leadership does in oppression of human rights with dissenting poor farmers, their women, is not fascist for you ?
Neither Islam nor Christianity started peacefully, in deserts of the lands of origin, though both the faiths assured peace, harmony and compassion to all lives.
Christianity in earlier form of spread saw the ills of Ku klux clan, crusades and killings of "pagans" or peasents who worshipped nature and elements in nature.The present day life has seen the devout Bush and family man Blair reacting to fanatism in equally fanatic way.
As to sects and sub sects in islam, it is matter of fact that each leaders in all these subsects want to have control on followers,and have found fanatism as a way of life to become devout misguiding the individuals to be violent, promises of heaven and pleasures of virgins, but when it comes to death, these leaders escape first from the place of worship, are afraid of their vision of promises of heaven.Osama living in hiding is the best and worst example of such devouts along with the maulanas of lal masjid, bukhari, Syed madani of India.
Heaven and hell are on earth, on this planet if citizens learn to live as good humans first.
While the agreement is total on the issue of goon behaviour of individuals in this horrendous act of violence, it should also be noted that intolerent society and its citizens is not a good life in democracy.Democracy does not need any faith except good rule of law, humane one at that.
Persons provocative of insult and hurt sentiments alsways react in insane manner as can be seen in the way the "educated" elite doctors who drove the burning bombs in another nation, to caste the shadow on their mother nation and its credentials as secular nation.
Compared to the fanatic actions of this elite doctors, this goon behaviour only damaged the car of an individual, who is "intellectual" of left fascist forces who always ridicule hindu way of life and appease other faiths.Still this acts of vendalism is bad in democratic life of a tolerent society.
Yes, my friend, it is true, that religion encompasses all sects which practise different faiths, faiths like hindu way of life, islamic faith, sikkhism, buddhism, jainism,religion and being religious are having different connotations in life to different individuals.
Even communism is a religion to some individuals of athiest following, and some thiests joining the stream for the sake of equality and justice by class struggle for the goals set in that thought.
As such every way of life, a religion of that denomination has its own plus and negatives born out of humans in it, as consequence of human instincts, greed and the will to dominate the followers in the faith. Some faiths have practises which came into existence as remedial measures for the time at the need of such measures and practises.
Let us objectively analyse the ills of faiths one by one, with out any passions in to it. First, hindu faith, as a way of life, is perhaps the oldest,the caste system is one evil practise that has dogged this faith, thanks to the kingdoms and kings of the bygone era.
When whole society was percieved as one composit body, cosmic, the perception was, those with intellect, developed or inherited, were learned, with brahmajnana, brahmins, birth had nothing to do with this system. Kshatriyas, those who fight for the safety and defence of the king and the kingdom were the strong arms of the society, thus those carrying on the business of the king and kingdom were the vyaparis, vysysas, and those who serve the kingdom under the leadership of all the above class of leaders in society were servants of the kingdom, shoodras. Thus the very classification had more respect for those who served the kings and kingdoms, shoodras, being servants, society could not servive without them, they were most respected for the services rendered.
Over the course of time, as life went on, the practise became to degrade the servants by those in power, shoodras who serve the society became dependent on the others, became thus dependent, "untouchables" in kings rule.
In free India, where service to the society is above the caste denominations, any one qualified can serve the nation in any capacity was out of mind, a non-issue, in the game of oppression of the neo leaders, who as citizens representatives became kings in democracy, used the practise to cultivate the vote banks.Thus any one who is deprived of facilities to acquire skills in life to earn decent livelihood, be it education or essential needs of life, became dalit, shoodra in democratic life, deprived of good governance.
This social ills in hindu way of life is now slowly but steadily getting corrected atleast in metro and urban, semi urban lifes of citizens. The oppressors of different castes, have taken up the game of quota and reservation to only strengthen their votes in their castes with every caste thriving and demanding to be classified as "backwards". The real urgent need is to have corrections in the system where every citizen gets good governance being equal in society, not on caste or creed but on economic criteria. But that is achievable only when all the citizens demand equitable governance of their own as citizens of the nation.
After mulling over these thoughts let us see the other ills in hindu way of life, may be then we can discuss, albeit dispassionately, the ills in other faiths and sects. ?
Terming every one as fascist with your autocratic posts is not very democratic, but very fascist, you may agree or disagree, but to term anyone as fascist is not a good way of life.
Yes, ofcourse those who agree with you, welldone messages, are your friends in this fascist set up of yours. ?Even then the fascist thoughts of yours are having not many takers, which please note, except ofcourse the regulars two or three well done yes men in the board.!!!!
Nit-picking and hair splitting will not help the statyre of this con-woman for the post. Keeping a low profile in public life to avoid the public radar of perception is not new in the nation.
Even Sonia took a few years of "rest" after her dreams of rajiv came in to her conscious and talked of garib and aam admi.Once the evidence got diluted by the process and her uncle Q got his dues, his son Marrissmo again visited India for further loot, now she is in active politics.
Sir, it is ridiculous in your post that you tend to bring in RSS at any cost, issue here is of the prathibha and her worthyness of being the president, are you not overbearingly at pains to bring in RSS in this debate for no relevance purpose at all. ?
RSS has swayam sevaks, which means in verbatim, volanteers to work for the national hindu society at their own free will, to unite the hindus divided on caste lines for the unified society. they are not subscription collectors, no fee to join the RSS. No political idealogy of any kind is imposed on swayam sevaks, one can be in any political outfit, but still be swayam sevak.Self discipline and honest work for the society of hindus is the aim in RSS.
As to your gospel truth, many in nation also reflect what is touted by Congress dynasty as absolute truth, though in their own conscious know well that this not good for the nation,as the dynasty rules to loot the nation, with divisive polity,the attack on prescribed lines on RSS is the proof of this dirty works. ?
Barkha is also a human, has her flaws, but that apart, new breed of journalists who should have a nose for news, are making news, some are with innovative market driven, some with ethics and morals, judiciary and journalism are the two walks of life where they are the judges for themselves, so much higher honesty, integrity levels are expected, they must have nose for news, humane, but devilish in handling the ills in public life.
The word is loosely used by any one against any organisation which cares for hindus is a joke of the secular India.
For one, fascism was associated with Hitler and his world war II, his accomplice was mussolini of Italy.Now that we have similar combination of Sonia and red brigade, any other word does not fit them except fascist combination. ?
Politburo and left leaders which lives on subscription of comrade members is a fascist organisation. Duress and muscle power is used to silence the dissent, what more quality is to be expected of fascist left with Lady Maino,mussolini of Italy. ?
Mr. Rebel seem to miss the issue of the two Maulana brothers who extolled all the faithfuls for a jihad, elder brother vanished before the action started by pak rangers, maulana Ajiz, arrested while escaping in a burkha, so much for jihaad,the Maulana brothers who assured the fighters a place in heaven with 72 virgins, were scared of the heaven they promised to all fighters. ?
Such mullas are kafirs in society, indoctrined brains of indians in England and Australia, have fallen prey to this promised hell. ? Now their parents want indian government to save them, why not islam. ?
Believe in yourself, and your intellect, use it.
True, my dear one, all faiths are for humans to live a good humane life. Some, in all faiths go for the ultimate of making life of others inhuman,subjugative, in the process true faith takes a beating to give way for the interpreted faith of the few.
If one really takes time to understand the faiths in the world, they are all different paths to same divinity,of the supreme power, called by different names to suit their faiths.No faith teaches hatred, but all faith talk of love and affection, harmonious co-existence.
This your view of RSS and sangha parivar is also part of history as your perception, not necessary for it to be true in the history books for future generations.
History is records of events as percieved by persons within their limits of intllect, all histories are partial truths as seen by the recorder, to suit his approach of recording the events.
Read as many versions as possible have your own conclusions.For a fanatic of any faith, deaths of some individual is jihads part of history, riots in a place is fanatic response of hate to another event writer, fact is the event is recorded as percieved, partial truth.
How can any one question the rights and wrongs of this conwoman, then the inquirer will be termed as vendetta seeker ?
Now that she is getting ready to take 200 percent hike in salary of the post, she can as well take back the insolvency application. and resignations of her co-op ventures, ?
Politics, Lust and lust for power, make strange bedfellows. ?
As a citize of India, can you give me an instance where my posts have given him any such glories you talk of ?
He was a goon, is one, like the sanjay Dutt, change of heart is being image make over, media job of spin doctors, I am not one of that. !!!!
Just as tiger can not change the stripes, nor the cheetah its dots, Sonia is a con-woman of the Italy, from average middle class background, now high flying mafiosi,helping her uncle Q to loot, immediately after marriage with Rajiv Pheroz. So I have been consistent with all in public life, be it anyone from any spectrum of polity.
To be humane, to be responsible, responsive to sensitivity of the citizens in society is the best code, of Insaniyath.
Sir, your query is very interesting as the human nature itself, humans have their instincts, animal and divine, material and intellectual. In the life of society, many incidents, series of them are caused by different aspects of life, the record of such incidents for latter generations is the history of events, again, the individual/s who see them and record them, see it from their perspective, not necessarily in absolute truthful perspective, but yes, they do give partial truth true from the writers perspective.
A simple example that can be quoted in todays context is the incident of a crime against one human/group of humans by another set of humans, take for instance, Kashmir. Historians, if hindus record it as atrocities of muslim faith against the hindu faith followers, if muslims write that they term it as fight against the follwers of idol worshippers, kafirs according to their perceptions. History of this one incident is that humans have inflicted death and injury on fellow humans. ?
Or take the incident at Singur or nandigram. Rape and murders by some individuals who are loyal goons of some other group of individuals commit the crime.Atrocities are committed by the individuals who are part of the system, in the system. For a historian of communists, it is history march on capitalist fools for establishment of industry under the leadership of their politburo. For another historian of "saffron" color it is atrocities on humans by red brigade, all the versions of the truthful histroy are partial truths of human greed. ?
All version of histories have some elements of truth with perspective and agenda being different to different writers. take the case of HRD, Arjun Singh or his histroy sponsored by him, they see heros only from one dynasty, ignoring million other citizens of India who struggled for the nation. ?
That her working women hostel scam is not yet in public domain is not a wonder,as all the celebrities would have to run for cover if the names tubled out of the political spectrum who have used the oldest hospitality profession. ?
Calculative misinformation, termed as interesting, but the truth is the response was by Dr. Kalam, to the name suggested of Infosys chief mentor Narayana Murthy.Why such blatant attempts of sycophancy to mislead the MB users, Sir, this is outright condemned.
Sonia in Indira house-hold as bahu was not involed in bofors loot, as she was only helping her uncle Q to clinch the deal. by the same logic, well said.
Uncle Q was regular visitor to house-hold to meet his favourite niece is different, without even security entries,got snam progetti contracts for fertiliser plants during the Indira regime, ofcourse Sonia is not guilty, as she was only present there in the home of the PM as loyal bahu of italian origin for her italian uncle Q. ?
By the way, uncle Q's son Marrissmo is now close to Rahul and in business with office at Delhi and Bangalore with unheard name of Indo Italian trade association.Rahul is not involved in facilitating this marrissmo fraud in India. right. ?
Celebrities and accused criminals flying low is common occurence to miss the public perception and attention of public radar,even Sonia kept away from politics with a low profile till the bofors case documents were sufficiently diluted,by her hangers on, now rewarded with MPs posts,Prathibha Patil, fraudster had to keep a low profile by default, she is nominee of UPA, even left which has higher morals and ethics in public life is now seen as groping for words to justify support of this madam Prathibha as they get to know the dark side of the midnight. ?
Bal Thackeray a goon who used the maratha pride to deny the discard of a Shivaraj Patil is happy with this Madam, for obivious reasons as his hafta was regular from her for his protection to her illegal activities.
By the way, these are not wild allegations, if need be verifiable, if classifications of dossier turns in to public domain. Would you have the gumption to take it ?
Excellent post to defend the indefensible wrongs of being morally and ethically bankrupt politician,legally bankrupt, but ethical and moral punishment is by the good of the society as god in society, the common man always blesses the such with long life, longer than the grand children so that they can see the criminal morally and ethically bankrupt suffer the miseries of death and decease of their loved ones to understand the gravity of the acts they committed.
Now as to your defense, what was she doing as the enterprises of the chairperson of all the Co-op bank, sugar mill and rolling mill, supporting to take loans without security, to whom, her own brother, husband and nephew, if that is not moral bankrupcy, please do us a favour, say long live Prathibha. !!!!
Ofcourse if you want further details, now that IB is under the direct control, of the UPA,the dossier on Prathibha may not be that easily available, may be few crors to some advocate,but the grant of 95 lakhs given to her to start the working women hostel, land allotted for the purpose for free, is still under investigation, and the working women were (as you normally say to all victims,) prostitutes for service to high profile politicians of all in the spectrum. !!!!
Sacrifice of UPA chairmanship does not get sympathy votes, but remind yourself of the blasts and bullets.
Special Investigation teams of CBI are special in giving clean chits to sympathisers who were parties to the blasts and bullets.One is now minister with UPA in the cabinet, another is in London. Guess is yours. ?
The word fascism has lost meaning of its true words when used by all loosely to RSS, if Mussolinis' Italy, partner of fascist hitler of Germany, can send her Sonia to rule India, the real fascism is embraced by Congress in free India.
RSS which has only united hindus to have defence against fanatic individuals of other faith, how does it become fascist. ? RSS is not against any faith which is misinformation campaign of politics to malign the organisation, left is more fascist which lives on crumbs of Congress. Politburo members who live on subscriptions of comrade workers as "leaders" of politburo are the fascists in the nation, sneezing when China catches cold. ?Fascists do not accept dissent use the strong arms to dissuade dissent or even discussion, this trend is seen only in Congress and left.
Sir, here are some verifiable facts which may have been overlooked by you:
Prathibha Patil is the chairperson of Co-op Bank which defrauded the thousands of poor farmers and defaulted to nationalised banks a total sum of 37,5 crores, 17 and half crores of the nationalised bank, 19.75 crores of the farmers, RBI ordered cancellation of license of this Co-op Bank.
As chairperson of Co-op sugar mills, Prathibha with her talent for frauds has cheated over 20 crores to farmers of their sugarcane money, again closed, those opposed her were soundly thrashed, murdered, by her goons. Her husband and brother are named in many FIRs for the murder and assaults, investigations are going on for years now with CBI, keen to give pre-printed clean chit.
Prathibha started a working women hostel, for working women on government allotted lands, with grant of 95 lakhs, a condition that those hosteliers would not be charged for the stay facilities, food would be charged on actuals, but she charged 250 hosteliers in the hostel, Rs.2,500/- per month,in contravention to the terms of grant. On inquiry by NGOs of public spirit, it was found that most of the working women who stayed there were sex workers catering to high profile velebrities. !!!!
No wonder, a woman who stayed away from her husband at the age of 26, being MLA, several times, had to go to jail with Indira Priyadarshini who also abandoned her husband for power. ?
Congress needs a human rubber stamp. ????
With full responsibilty, the post has been submitted of the extra qualifications of this candidate for president, let us hope that it will be posted, in response to narimans' post. ?
Goon of Shivsena, who started as cartoonist, is a cartoon himself, in his early days he was against all "madrasi"s in Bombay, target was their enterprises like udupi hotels, malayali boys who hawked at fort area, tambis who did the work in ports as hamaaals, but he had no guts to touch the chords of smugglers being the beneficviary of smuggling,his goons in police and other services were beneficiaries of anti national smuggling activities, suddenly he became new transformed icon of hindu leader, now the targets were again hindus from north indian states like UP, Bihar who contributed their might as dabbawalas, construction workers, marati buggers are lazy ones,thugs who change colours to suit the time and power equation, always at the licking end.
Citizens need not worry about this event, sycophants in Congress know the value of "sympathy" votes, when they feel right, they use it on their idol of worship for the sacrifice, real one. !!!!
Even where election is indirect, for citizens of the nation. ?
In a democratic country where good governance is to all citizens, discrimination and appeasement based on faith or caste is bound to create divisions of citizens on their faith or caste who percieve injustice meted out to them based on caste and such neglected are the dalits in secular democratic society, in this background, when all citizens are equal to secure good education, jobs and opportunities, appeasement is not warranted to anyone on the faith or caste, but governance should address all citizens.
YEH HAI MERA BHARATH DESH MAHAN,
YAHA HAI, KAFI LOG, THODHE HAIN MAHAN,
THODE DIKTHE MAHAN, BADE HAIVAN,
BAHUTH LOG HAI, INSAN,
INSANIYATH AUR NIYATH INKA PAHACHAN,
MAGAR KARE THO KYA KARE, BAHUTH HAI SACH-MUCH SHAITHAN,
PHIR BHI MERA DESH MAHAN.
God will bless all whether one individual likes him or not, as god is not partial, he does not have his favourites like the leaders have,God loves good of the individual, cautions him if he is on the wrong side of being inhuman, god as such has no form or figure, as god is all that is good of life, in body, mind and soul.God being omnipotent, omnipresent and all merciful, it is humans who misuse the words of god, to interpret the words to suit their material gains of power and wealth, then the faith gets the bad name.
Take the word, Kafir, it refers only to those humans who do not follow the words of god being the followers of god, but to mis-interpret it to mean any other section of the society that we live in, is the miscief that is indulged by the talibanese or the fanatics.Having read the scriptures, such mischief is there in all religions or faiths, none are exceptions.
My friend, do not fool yourself at the cost of a faith, for me all faiths are respectable, respected, but the issue here is role of clergies and self appointed leaders of any faith, or caste,who make deras, senas, and jihaad councils for the faith,or caste, provoke the innocents to go on rampage.
As to your issue of sivasainiks on rampage, no doubt deplored, deplorable, but the damage was minimal to lives of innocents. As to gujjar and meena conflicts and reservation issues, it only reflects the sad state of bad governance in democracy, where good of democratic life should and must reach each citizen of the nation, irrespective of caste or faith, when polity plays with fire it definitely burns both the leaders and the polity.
Good governance is, in democratic life, has to take care of each and every individual in society, not favours to some sections on the basis of caste, faith etc, as it only makes the neglected lot to organise themselves to "fight" for their due, in the process fuedal lords likes of Arjun Singh or a Vasundhara Raje, bake their cake. If at all, it is to be seen in the context of economic criteria by non partisan executives who do not give false income certificates.
OHO, not a bad idea, Dr. Kalam could have a council of ministers by consenus from all parties based on their vote percentage but not on number of seats in parliament. ?
I wholeheartedly second your proposal,but issue here is citizens have absolutely no role in this game of electing the president, the custodian of constitution.
Congress with its share of boot lickers and sycophants is no more a citizens representative, common man or aam admi is aam to be squeezed by finance minister, juiced out,to be fooled by law minister, to be a victim of terrorists under the care of home minister, all chosen discards of the "high" command of that party. Lame duck blue turbanator of a PM who can not even face the electorate in the safest bastion of the Congress is nominated PM,that apart left parties can not dream of democracy as they have only rights and no duties or responsibilities to the nation, but to China or Russia.
Once in saddles of power in west Bengal, all the achievement of CPM is to unionise everything, willing or unwilling slaves of citizens, like zombies , have to vote for it, because the brute force of cadres is watching the dissent to thrash it.
Dissidence and dissent are different forms of protests, in democratic way of life,my earlier post has been with-held for best known reasons, any way, where is dissidence in Congress in the presence of a "high" command and the sycophants are real pigmies even in that context. Dissent is throttled without any mercy with ruthless actions in Congress as we have seen althrough,now about inimitable hindu mad mascot, a fanatic Praveen togadia, he is in no way connected to BJP party as such, and if he uses his freedom of speech to offer his opinion, it is dissent and not dissident activity as he is not even in the party. ?
Every citizen has his freedom to express himself on the matters that he percieves as good for his nation. ?
Citizens can judge for themselves as to his utterances as to how good they can be for the secular fabric of the nation in the relative psuedo secular actions in the nation. ?
A person is percieved as good or otherwise by the company he keeps, when the same person was with Rajiv, percieved as Mr. clean, fumbled for his wife, Sonia and her uncle Q, Rajiv was then exonerated after his death as clean, but public perception is still the same, as bofors Rajiv for uncle Q.
Amitab by resigning the MP post proved to the world that he did not side with Sonia for her uncle Q, then relinquished politics, but remained close to Samajwadi party more as safety net against the machinations of Sonia using IT and ED to hound the opponents.
In the process, all the players of the game, Rajiv, Sonia and amitab have lost the public adulation, Amitab is having fan following for his "actor" role, but not for his gimmicks of not being in politics as he is indirectly in politics for gains.
Dissident activities and Congress ? In the present state of affairs perhaps Congress is the only party which has "high" command and that command is final high to its partymen.
Dissent in the party within the party forum can not constitute the antiparty activities if the opinion is real truth from the ground level, as party itself will realise when it is too late after losing the ground itself.
The issue here is to be viewed as a disciplinary issue as the dissent when viewed/aired in public would look like destroying the credibilty of its leaders if not truthful.
Garnier scar removal cream is available, that apart why is it that always love to hate ?
Sonia can be sure of one issue, she has company if jailed. ?
Well, for positives of the issue, President is the custodian of constitution, is upholding the rule of law at all times, is powerful enough to dismiss the other constitutional bodies at the prescribed occassions if they contravene or contradict the constitutional positions of law, has the powers to be chief commander of armed forces, has the role of being adviser and seeking advise from the highest court of law.
On the flip side we have the examples of a quite a few has been presidents of free India what they should not be, be it Fakru bhai, Giri,Zail Singh, Neelam Sanjiva Reddy, etc, or has been presidents of the likes, Narayanan, Venkatraman, who overcame with gratitude forgot their true role as presidents of the nation.
The best of the lot are still, the trio, Babu Rajendra Prasad,Sarvepalli radhakrshnan,Dr.APJ Kalam.
All along the poverty, starvation and suicide deaths which have plagued the nation,can only be attributed to the greed of the politicians and their nexus with buraeucrats, politicans may be displaced once in five years, but babus are, when not for the nation, are curse of the nation.
Lord Shiva is also known as ardhanarishwara,is worshipped in the form of a penis entered in vagina, but to term it as a lie is your prerogative. ?
Thoghts have no gender but may be gender specific. !!!!
Your post reflects profound knowledge of the faith, but practise of the faith which demeans the faith is not addressed by you, when we see teen aged youth for petty thousand rupees hoarding the RDx, planning bomb strikes in the names of fight and jihaad,inflicting death which does not discriminate the citizens when struck in trains and bazaars,does not recognise the dead as muslims or any faith ?
When the so called community leaders and preachers provoke the innocents after friday prayers to go berserk in protests in incidents which have no relevance in our nation,in the name of keeping the faith in good form, are they not demeaning the faith of islam by tentacles of violence. ?
MF Hussain is indulging in this art form for the easy publicity and material wealth in crores that he earning, a ordinary poster painter that he was in bollywood few years ago, is worth in crores now, by this indulgence of art.
Besides that the GOD is every where not only in the temple or mosque or church.These places of worship are the places where humans realise the power of good in them as they are believers in good form of god.
God is according to ones perceptions, formless or in form that one percieves. As to emple and sculptures, it should be noted that the art reflects the sensuous poses in the outer parikramas of places of worship to indicate to the believer that there is much more pleasures than the sensuous pleasures in ones life, provided the mind dwells on them at an intellectual usage.
To help and assist the hungry to earn his dignified life and essentials of life,to meet the sick and give him assistance to recover from the decease of the body and mind, to feed the thirsty and hungry with water and food is the real god and his work.These selfless services to humanity can give much more pleasure to mind than the body. ?
Any faith or its scriptures in the hands of greedy individuals who become preachers is sad for that faith, as it diverts from the true form in its practise and dwells on imposing the faith,the role of taliban in the faith is the worst example how a good faith can be used to exploit the fellow humans in society.
Such examples are not difficult to find in any faith when materialism gains prominence over humane life and balance of materialism tilts the faith to greed to exploit the spiritual and intellectual well being of the society. Neglected citizens with aspirations to better material life and dreamed "peace " resorting to material and sensuous pleasures at Deras, Oshos live ins is also prevalent in society, where crime takes over to impose the edict of these greedy preachers.
Unless we as humans understand and realise that GOD we seek is within us, to be good to others in society, these new breed of godmen and preachers exploit the faith to their benefit.
None can beat the inimitable Arjun Singh ?
Dark glasses and its owner is in Chennai, why put in more miseries for citizens. ?
One need not go that far to witness the exploitation of women in islam, the hyderabadi agents of marriage have dubious disntinction of getting married 14 year old girl to 67 year old man of saudi, promising the girl and family of all the riches, to be discarded later after two weeks of honey and moon to rot later as prostitutes of indian customers, right under the nose of guardian of islam, Owaisi.
You have a valid point in your post, but more important issue here is Congress knows with fragmented polity, divisive politics, no single party will be within the striking distance of forming the national governance, Sonia wants her man friday, left saw to it that she did not get that benefit, but italian mafia brain worked differently in criminal designs, to wake the regional pride of maratha,to have a woman friday, who is loyal to dynasty, but not to the nation.
It is right of the moderator to uphold the freedom of expression. ?
Very few presidents have left indeliable mark when in office, after their departure from the Rastrapathi Bhavan, likes of Babu Rajendra Prasad, S. Radhakrishnan,Zakir Hussain and now Dr. APJ Abdul kalam have endeared themselves to the nation and its citizens, while many like fakruddin ali Mohammed, Zail Singh have left much to be desired from the high office while some like Neelam sanjiva reddy, K R Nrayanan, Venkatraman have brought a lot of politics in to the office of the president.
In the fractured, fragmented polity, the role of president in times of need, when the constitution is tinkered with, has much importance to preserve democratic life with ethics and high morals.
Unlike nominated members of Congress, the likes of Praveen togadia has no need for permission from "high command" to criticise ?
Sir, atleast BJP and its parivar has the right to express freely their right or wrong opinions, unlike left with politburo, Congress with mafia queen. ?
Jawahar Lal Nehru was surely one. ?
Sir, you seem to overlook the fact that crime is always one step ahead of prevention, in your hate and bash Modi campaign, even so, what is the position of our beloved Railway Minister Lalu, who is according to you, best in the seat, who could not prevent train bomb blasts, even today, the victims are fed up with insults added to injury as their claims remain unsettled, by the railway tribunal, set up only for this particular job.
By your standards set by you for Modi, Tarun Gogoi, CM of Assam, can not be CM, even for a day, as daily attacks are seen in Assam by terror groups ?
Law and order in Delhi State, with CM Shiela dixit ,being the capital city, is so great that women are raped in moving vehicles,crimes of gun related brats packs is such that she should not be CM of Delhi state. ?
YSR and Andhra has its share of terror attacks both by left sponsored for the land grab by "poor" cadres and naxal attacks along with Owaisi goons in the campus of colleges, so, you mean to say that CM of Andhra has to go and bow out of office ?
Sir, nation has seen how responsible Congress was in opposition, in Parliament, how many days were spent in hungama and drama outside the august house than inside the house on debating the issues, how nicely, the leader of Congress read, the charge sheet drafted by Kapil Sibal for NDA,and how nice her MPs behaved in and out of parliament. !!!!
Voters are more aware of their responsibilties to the nation than the national parties.
Freedom of expression of the moderator. ?
Pre-poll surveys and exit polls and the pollsters have lost credibility just as the players of cricket teamfor world cup, no more talks of past performances, they cant sway the public opinion about political parties anymore, as citizens have understood the "honesty" and truthfulness of the neo pollsters,whatever it takes to be in trp.?
Pre-poll surveys and exit polls and the pollsters have lost credibility just as the players of cricket teamfor world cup, no more talks of past performances, they cant sway the public opinion about political parties anymore, as citizens have understood the "honesty" and truthfulness of the neo pollsters,whatever it takes to be in trp.?
Sir, it only proves that even knowledgable, educated citizen can also get confused in his walk of life, even when he experiences the ills of a party like Congress, he does not try to even correct it from within but tries to point finger at other parties forgetting that his own other fingers of his hand are at himself. ?
For spokespersons of Congress, the words like autocracy and fascism have limited application to only BJP, as they see no wrong in one woman high command, sneezes of whom, can bring down her partymen, and chief ministers from their seats irrespective of their performances. ?
Would you please give the proper and correct version of FASCISM AND AUTOCRACY THAT IS GOING ON IN cONGRESS WHEN A WOMAN OF INCONSEQUENCE DECIDES WHO SHOULD BE GOVERNOR, PRESIDENT IN THE NATION IGNORING ALL THE PUBLIC OPINION FOR HER SURVIVAL, not even a committee of wise. ?
Well said, some have even retired from their posts, after promotions,just like the mayavathis case, the sanction for prosecutions is awaited, inspite of supreme court judgementregarding the sanction for prosecution.
It is indeed sad for citizens when they see others in the society as only puppets who can be tilted with their emotions, when indian voter is mature enough to judge for himself,better than the knowledge-able,as he can vote a person to power to rule the society, better than the gossipers in the society. Gujarath has elected Modi, leave it to them, if he has performed, he will shine, unlike the last elections when Congress used the effective low budget campaign of aam admi and haath. ?
As to any society in the nation, in state, or nation, citizens expect peace and good governance and Congress has failed miserably in this aspect. ?
My reply has done a vanishing act, suffice it to say that all the parties have enough blacksheep in them to make them look ridiculous. ?
Please do not worry, there is the case of Justice ramaswamy whose impeachement was defeated by the Congress to "uphold" the judiciary. ?
Sir, Congress which ruled the free India, most of the time with few exceptions used it not to develop all indians but used discrimination as a toll to further stay in power,it is no wonder, that hindus who feel isolated against militant fanatics of islam, as well as evangelists, who use money power of the foreign origin go to the folds of RSS in self defence, which is the last resort ?
Hindus divided on caste are real minorities , each caste is less than the so called minorities ?In a way Congress must be blamed, if blame is the name of the game for the sorry state of affairs in the nation today,with bad governance of the citizens reaching its lowest mark, with discrimination on faith instead of good governance to all. ?
If you like the Congress so much, how is it that the ills in that organisation does not attract your review or even a mention. ?
Sir, while it must be agreed that the deprivation which drives citizens to seek remedies in their life time,by change of faith,it is absurd that you overlook the role of Congress in this game of discrimination, in the nations life, no doubt, I agree with your thoughtful posts tinted with hate for RSS and VHP, which stems from fear than the real feeling for the good of the society. But it is simple matter of good governance that is cheating the deprived, of the benefits of good governance. For this, Congress alone is responsible, when it shut the shop of sevadal, in the rural India, solely depending on the "leaders" who could mobilise the slogan shouters, than real service oriented individuals, in the process became redundent in the public life. Even now, the recent results where, Sevadal is active in Villages surrounding Ullal Constituency, bear testimony to this truthful fact, as now Sevadal is ignored both by the leaders and Congress.
It should be noted that in Ullal, MLA elected is muslim inspite of votes being divided so;ey because the volanteers of sevadal were active even when the comrade leaders failed the poor beedi workers with their comrade leaders living on them. ?
As to RSS it is your right to have your opinion, you will do well to interact more with the organisation, only then you will know that RSS does not hate muslims or christians, but hates the anti-national sentiments which hurts the nation. The very essence of RSS is co-existence as the populace which is now exceeds over 30 crores of other faiths, they cant be thrown out of the nation, but most hurting aspect of these faiths is their terror by guns and bombs and allurements of conversion,which tilts the balance of life, thus creating tension in the social life.
Otherwise how can you justify an italian doing "service" to the nation by looting the nation with her uncle Q and able sycophants who defend them in rule of laws. ?
Well said, Michael Angelo, Raja ravi Varma did wonders with their works of art, this idiot of Husain, has different agenda, wealth, which he forgets he can not take with him, even in hiding, leave alone out of this mortal world. !!!!
Each place has its own share of "nice" persons and goons, like dalit goons and other goons ?
Mr. Nariman. please read this post, atleast now that you see from whom you term as communal, the issue being discussed, not the party politics in this, whereas you always seem to jump high if it was Kataria or anyone from BJP. ?
It would be wise in democratic life to debate issues and criticise the ills rather than party bashing ?
OK, Let us talk only truth, will you please tell the truth, how many wives did prophet Mohammed Paigambar had, when tenets allowed only for wives for his followers ?
Dear all, if you want to denigrate each others' religion by calling the reasons of art or holy scriptures, please remember, all faiths are for humans to live better life, and human flaws have exploited all religious texts by the greedy individualsor group of such, in democratic secular life, religion or faith is very personal, has no role in good governance, by this critical game of abusing each other on "art" and silly financial, economical misadventures of some individuals actually we are all out of focus of what we want in life, a harmonious good life, with good governance by all citizens involved in the process of such good governance.
Scientists talk of black hole, and life, all humans come from same universal hole. ?
To catch a congress MP one needs crores as now proved by R K Anand, famous criminal lawyer.!
He was caught on camera with what is your term- "pants down" and red handed. ?
AS to communal CDs when Congress has Rahul, there is no need for any CDs at all. ?
Who created the OBCs in 1961., is it not Nehru with good majority admiring him for his vision ?
When good governance should not have ignored any citizen, who favoured a few ? Is it not Congress of Indira with her garibi hatao and looting the nation with her daughter inlaw Sonias' uncle Q in snam progetti fertiliser plants ?
Jinnah is a traitor, what about Nehru who joined him in dividing the nation ?
What is UPA doing behind the scenes to withdraw army from borders at kashmir,is it not treason ?
When bad governance is the hall mark of Congress, no governance is the credo of UPA, nation can see the fools in you when you post like these posts. Please do not be such a sycophant, be indian, be bold enough to see the wrong in any party and make efforts to correct the wrongs in the society. Then you can say you are truely indian, with pride.
Let us all appreciate the circucised penis and 72 virgin vaginas each hand of 72 virgins holding circumcised penises is good art ??
"Who is Indian or hindu" that is where hindu comes in, in your post, later you talk of emigration of prostitutes,it is subtle way of denigrating the tolerent hindu like me, which I strongly condemn, as if there are no prostitutes in muslim or any other religion.
Please do not provole the good sense and sensibilty of a hindu, as tolerence does not mean taking insults or injuries.
If you are talking about Kataria and his greedy acts ending in criminal acts dont you dare to bring the political party into this, if you do so, then think of the crimes of criminal criminal lawyer of R K Anand, did we talk of Congress ?
Further, in the process of sensationalising the issue by likes of you these criminals will escape the dragnet of law, please remember that after the song and dance on Kataria issue atleast 14 MPs named in the official letter are now out of the dragnet thanks to sober Somnathda, till some media start a sting on it. !!!!
Truthful facts.
Sir, let such moral highs be not hypocritical as the police records show there are more number of prostitutes in Bangalore from muslim communities as well, in fact the percentage compared to population with their faiths muslims rank higher in this oldest profession. So, let us be factual. take bollywood, where cating coach is legendary, see the number of famous actors of the faith with altered names. I request yo to be honest to yourself first, not to any one, for in you is Allah, ram or rahim.
UK, and USA ? The leaders of these two nations have committed more crime and justified it as cllateral damages, so don't you fool yourself.
Indians are not accustomed to good rule of law, they know that rioters will be rewarded as MPs and MLAs in the last sixty years, so when a CM of a state, ordered a crackdown by bullets, rioters got bullets not rewards, hence this outcry, as bullets did not distinguish the faith while hitting the rioters. ? He acted without fear or favour as per his oath of office, he did not favour any faith,hence the outcry. !!!!
Every elected representative shall be sued for breach of trust,for unkept promises to the electorate, only then the candidates will have sense and sensibilty as they talk for votes.
Your post starts on the right note,"India is sitting on a tinder keg of social unrest," but to blame it on hindu fanatism is absolutely misplaced,as it is only reaction to actions of the bad governance of giving a toss to rules of law.
Manipulated and manipulative policies of sections getting favoured in a vast society on faith, caste and region and religion, when all citizens should get the good of good governance is the only reason for all this tinderkeg situation. As neglected and ignored sections are getting organised to get their share in the governance where only organised castes are able to armtwist the governance.
Then another faith would be born to exploit with new editions of old testament, new testament ?
Sir, again in the blame game to divert attention from your favourite party ?
In the whole process of blame game culprits will be happy to have been obliged by you for the shifting focus of the citizens to petty blame game again as the lawyer duo, criminals will escape. ?
Indira Priyadarshini should have been facing the trial for breach of trust reposed in her for her slogan Garibi Hatao, but it got wasted as vendetta, as the new elected MPs were worse as jokers in governance.
Please do not use Gandhi surname for these idiotic fuedal dynasty,for after the lady deserted that brave young man Pheroz Shah, adopted son of Mahatma gandhi,to be with her debauch father Nehru, she made capital out of that surname, nothing else, even the present generation is doing the same.
Yes, well said, this is another atrocity on the society, by educated learned lot.
While I agree with you, please do not politicise the issue, as immediately,other irrelevant issues come into play, then again the blame game, culprits will escape the long hands(?) of law just like in another case of Kataria and visas and illegal immigation where thirteen other MPs escaped scrutiny, they belonged to all parties across the spectrum.
Public memory being short, the blame game dilutes the focus on the culprit, that exactly the culprits aim at.
The more the delay, the more is scope to manipulate, dilute the crucial evidence and witnesses.Keep the good work going full steam, arms deals and kickbacks will be well in use so beware.
Media and judiciary have their own watchdog to oversee their work, and credibilty of these institutions depend solely on being ethical and correct and truthful.
Agree with you, that is the difference between a tabloid channel and responsible media channel, which is NDTV, which does not do a item number once in a while targetting only one political party. !
NDTV needs to be admired for the courage it has taken to expose the high and mighty "crininal" in criminals' lawyer.
Citizens will come all the way for any call, be it a fair trial in jessica lal , Nitish katara cases or movement of reforms to eradicate the social ills of any faith.
yes, friend, even this post may not see the light, when, percieved honest Rajiv, said, when all politicians started saying, "law will takes its own course", aam admi realised, what they meant to say, was, we will take care to see that, investigation is a mess, dilute the evidence, even documentary evidence suppressed, and single judges will give stays, for the brilliance of lawyers, not for justice to play its role, and uncle Q and other rich criminals will escape the long hands of law, with active support to subvert rule of law, Sonia will be hailed as mother of sacrifices. After bofors the public has understood the meaning of law taking its own course, as they see lalu lauging away with chara money, uncle Q and dynasty with oil slicks dollars and bofors money, lawyers being awarded as MPs of the rajyasabha for their criminal act of subversion, judges having fudged the doctored reports enjoying happy cushy jobs after retirement as commission chairmans for years, aam admi now knows, he has to give back the coin.?
We may have now a new saying, behind every successful lawyer a womans' tears and curse is there. ?
For every lawyer who defends an accused knowing fully well that he is the culprit, quoting his legal code of ethics,securing hefty fee for defending the accused, the judiciary is the real perptretor of crime on the widows of the persons killed by these accused like Periera and sanjiv nanda.Why do lawyers have a bar coucil, is it to cover such guilty criminal lawyers ?
The same is applicable to doctors who indulge in criminal negligence having passed their profession with donation, earning that spent money real fast without ethics and morals.Indian medical association also is percieved to have committed similar crimes by shielding the guilty.
Moral of these happenings in the society, is unity is strength do criminal acts also.?
Friend, they are not loop holes, it is the apparently legal acts of illegal lawyers who are ethically and morally bankrupt, sold their souls for material wealth inflicting injury on society.
Hearty congrats to NDTV and its chief political editor, Burkha Dutt and her team for an excellent work done in exposing the dirty criminal acts of a criminals lawyer,to subvert justice in the nation. This is very relevant at a time when citizens are looking aghast, when the judicial system is also systematically subverted by the acts of politicians like Sonathda, and many other MPs who feel they are supreme and can get away doing anything in the name of legislation, when existing laws are subverted, further legislate laws not to correct, but ruin the society ?
Though the issue at any cost should not be politicised, but the issue is affecting the body politic of the nation when brilliant lawyers likes of Ram jethmalani, R K Anand, Kapil Sibal and Abhishek manu Singhvi do the intellectual prostitution and be MPs of nominated kind, after their role as defense lawyers for the accused high profile criminals likes of bofors accused.
The CBI, a premier investigative agency uses all kinds of tactics to delay the prosecution, dilute the evidence,and these brilliant lawyers who apparently use legal methods to defend their clients, are quite illegal in their acts.
"It is we who will dictate terms." ha ha ha, not you, my little fella, the tahsildar, who gives the certificate for a price. !!!!
By the way all these sixty years can you count the number of downtrodden who really got the benefit of the reservation ?
In democratic life whoever is left out and ignored is dalit, poor and down-trodden, in demand at the time of elections as daily wager to shout the slogans, take the quarter nib liquor, food packet and daily wage. Other days he is just one citizen, thats all.
Friend, religious issues raise emotions when hit the raw chord. ?
Give me one instance or quote from Vedas that you talk of, not folklores of Puranas,or from interpretations,of Sati that you are so proud to talk about.? That was the practise when cruelty of war was more horrendous for the wives of soldiers, who died in defence of invaders of the nation, to loose their morals at the hands of mussalman/ yavan soldiers of marauding attacks.
1.What do you say of stove bursts in mussalman house-holds of death for dowry, sati ?
What would you term the human greed of any religion which burns in modern life of their daughters in law ? sati ? Dont be flying so high, fire at the mosque after fanatic mullah preaching violence is enough to burn any faith in humanity, so better learn now, faith is for the soul, not for such loose talks.
Islam has tenets which talk of womens' rights, but how many mussalmans and their women have such rights ?
2. All religions are all encompassing, but the mullas make the seggregation perfect with their fathwas, please be honest to come out of the ghettos mindset, be human first, then faith will follow humans to live like humans, not animals.
3. All are mitti ke puthle, mitti mein miljane wale, but why this much of hate ?
Word of God, what is this talk of words of god, when there is no one edition of such word of god with so many deletions and editing. ? By the way did you hear any of it from any god you talk of.?
How about edited version of gods words of taliban, you must be cat on hot tin roof ?
Gautam, for such, we can only pray, OH LORD, FORGIVE HIM, HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE IS DOING.
Sir, by your posts, you are a learned one, well read, but how is it that your train of thoughts dwells on negativity, has it got to do with religion, faith or circumstances ?
The learned thoughts say that whenever evils in society increases to harm the society, the good of the society triumphs over the evil. You can have the choice of yours to call that good of the society, GOD by any percieved name of your choice. !!!!
Let us not be surprised if this fuedal lord Arjun Singh becomes the president thanks to other fuedal lords choosing him as one. ?
Beautiful explanation, well said,it is not only the ignorance but also the actions of the individuals who profess that only their faith is correct path, only saviour is their percieved GOD, hence all the mess and bloodshed.
Compare this to true hindu way of life which has space for all the faiths including the faith of athiests.
Fear of God, is the beginning of learning, Gyan only helps one to live human life like a human.
Some of us hope for a united nation, it is sad that our own fellow country men want further division. ?
Failed nation on faith as rule will be failed in democracy, as we can see Pakistan with military rule for too long, whatever be the ills, Indians can be happy about their freedom of choice. May be some are using that choice to get resident visas to Pakistan ?
There is something known as intelligence and prudence, it is hoped that all can use it for the nation, ?
All faiths have raised the hopes for a better life, but unfortunately, these faiths in the hands of clergies like in Islam, have failed to deliver.
Every faith in its early evolving centuries are the tools to exploit the weakest, Islam is no exception.
Unlike hindu way of life, where all faiths are accepted as different paths to same entity GOD, Islam terms such interpretations, now held hostage by mullas and Imams, as unislamic,even though isalm never accepts idol worship, every mussalman keeps the image of mecca and madina or darwaaja as constant reminder of Allah.So practise is different from the tenets. let us be honest, women under hijab are most exploited (as they can rape anyone with their eyes only,) but their male counterparts, who are also expected to wear similar hejab, throw away the shirts to live by it ?
Sir, historians who recorded had their perspective and view points on the incidents of the time, but even if you take the doctored histories of HRD minister sponsored books you wont find the truth, that apart, to quote from another nation born out of freedom struggle as if to share the loot after theft, Pakistan is , that too from indian, in the present sequences is hilarious. !!!!Did you come from Pakistan or intend to seek visa for stay there. Sir. ?
It only proves the fact that we have indians who love to divide us as much as possible with every possible misinformation. ?
While it is worth noting the facts that you have mentioned are quite true and right,the fact remains that the party which professed difference, that party with difference, has not risen above the levels of morass that it finds itself in, as to media, it is well known that media houses are managed by vested interests only, for their commercial benefits, ofcourse lip service and service to society is occassional "item numbers" to have the trp in competetive world for survival.As in society, we have enough blacksheep in media also, but comparative stats will reveal they are better like the judiciary in comparison to legislators and babus. !!!!
By the definition of your post it follows that the brahmins are there in every faith,like the pastors and padres, like the mullas and immams, like the religious advisers in religion ?
Even in the mulanivasis you talk of, are there not brahmins in them who exploit them with making them stand and shout for the benefit of these brahmins and bake their cakes at the cost of mulnivasis ?
the very word brahmin is misuderstood to stand for exploiters, unfortunate ,but the fact of the matter is the word stands for knowledgable, who woks for the good of humanity./society.
Well said, now she can start her own DERA, also.?
That apart if she fails like it will be, we have new conmen/women to fool again, another set of humans with another way of cheating.?
With this sort of responses you are using fevicol ?
BJP or any other national party if sways to "high command" and "sycophancy" then it is the congressisation of such parties and every region will have its own formation of citizens to demand good governance when national parties fail in the good governance.
Well said, if good governance is the end result ending discrimination in governance, no doubt she can be fresh air in stale rotten governance.
Why blame any faith, my friend ? It is the humans in different faiths use their faith to exploit the humans in their own faith or others in different faith, let society be aware of such faithfuls. ?
Sir, where would you place the MP of MIM, Owaisi, who after the bomb blasts in Mecca masjid, in hyderabad,led his goons to further inflict death on his own community adding insult to injury on Islamic faith itself.?
Sir, why should I ? I have my goal fixed, the goal and objective of efforts is to get good governance to all citizens bereft of discrimination based on caste and faith, region or religion.Till then it is my birth right to awaken every citizen to his rights and duties.
Only then my nation can be proud of being a nation with good life of dignity,opportunities to every citizen without discrimination.
At the poll junction, the poll was, has India become more open to alternate sexuality, ?
Well for one the sex is part of life, just as a our food , drink. And societal rules have their aim at maintaining the laws of nature intact,rules of law is to maintain societal order and harmony, what happens in the bedroom is nobody's business but should it be discussed in lesbian circles or gay cicles or multi sex habits etc, are the gimmicks driven by commercial considerations than moral or ethical life.It is more prudent to live good life than giving undue importance to animal instincts in humans which is controlled by societal laws. ?
Sir, citizens should first have trust in themselves, to correct the role of political parties as all parties have only humans in them good as well as bad elements of society of which all of us are part and parcel. ?
Ofcourse Congress with hired slogan shouters and sycophants brigade needs a Sonia and her dumb son to be with criminals, convicts and murderers, to be in national life itself ?
Freedom of expression does not allow a couple to have coitus in the middle of the road, isn't it Sir, ? In full public view,what is private life is private right, and the anchors who speak their bedroom expressions in surrogate talk shows are norms now, ? ?
Sir, Justice Kapoor has given a wonderful judgement in M F Hussain case and our secular media is very reluctant to publish even gist of this judgement, it will be my earnest hope that this forum where I will post this judgement excerpts will have the luck of seeing it. !
No right in democratic life is absolute to individual and further right to one can not be a right to another to subvert the right of others in society ?
Fikr math karna mere bhai, jab tak Congress rahega, tab tak BJP bhi rahega, kyonki dono ka tho good our bad ka rishta hai. ! Ek mein ayee sycophancy tho ithar bhi hawa lag rahi hai. ?
Yes, sir, I agree with you, historical wrongs can be corrected with active judiciary which keeps the "hearing" and does not adjudicate the issues with the politicians playing on the sentiments of the citizens,to play with emotions to spoil the harmonious life of citizens.
Now that a militant faction of the society is joining the buddhism, which stands for peace and harmony it is another ploy of creating another platform for vote bank when good governance breft of faiths can deliver good of governance to all citizens.
Just as reservations and quotas making the nation, burning India, is it not that we come out of this ghetto slavish mentality to be brave enough to call a spade by the name spade, not say that an instrument used to shift mud and such others to different sites ?
Hindus accept Buddha as avatar of different incarnations of their percieved god, that apart, according to my personal perception, buddhism is escapist, as Siddhartha the enlightened buddha ran away from his duties as a ruler prince scared of birth and death cycles in life of the soul, and all else of idol worship which he abhorred is much in practise even in that faith.But I prefer to take the good of that faith also that all humans are good of the society when they practise non-violence and harmonious co-existence.
Shifting goal posts and platforms of quick sand has been the hall mark of debating issues, I wish now he shifts to such some other demolitions like that of buddhist temple, churches in islamic countries, mosques in christian countries, so that we can forget about our own demolition of ethics and morals in life ?
Friend, this is for those who say the rule of laws is not there in Gujarath, arrest of the artist is because a christian hurt by the paintings of cross and vulagar display of christ,complained the correct way of protest, law took its own course, to arrest the culprit.
The best part of the whole issue is media never dwelled on the complainant and the complaint as may be the individual was not crazy to pose for the tv channels ?
Further media allowed the "intellectuals" of the known red brigade and "secularists" to hog the glow lights so that all could bake their cakes in the heat and dust of Modi and his state. ?
Sir, artist was arrested because of a complaint by a christian that his religious sentiments are hurt by the painting of this artist, now how would you view this as this absolute truth of the matter. ?
Some others only demonstrated but clever individual who knew the right remedy used it. ?
The best part is role played by media which kept total silence about this complaint and complainant, allowed every one to bake their cakes in the heat and dust of Modi, BJP etc. !!!!
None oppose quotas and reservations for the downtrodden and poor in society, as it is good governance which has to be in practise to take care of each and every individual in society.
The present system of singaling out a few sections of society on the basis of their caste and faith is a gimmick which has proved that in the 60 years of freedom, this democratic society has no rule of law, nor the good governance to reach all the poor and downtrodden inspite of the caste and faith based reservations, dalits are increasing in society by the discrimination of governance for the simple exploitation of the have nots and haves are having more of the dole outs at the cost of have nots.
In any good governance if the governance does not deliver to any citizen its good, such governance can not be good governance.If any section, be it 27 % or 80 % , it is 100 % which has to be governed as all have the same rights to life and opportunities in the society.Any discrimination in secular nation of democratic rule is not governance but partial delivery of bad governance.
Yes, definitely, when some one cruel was king, his subjects would pray for long life to him, longer than his grandchildren so that he could understand the death and its sorrows in his life time as his young son, grandsons die in front of his eyes and he remains to see the death.
Now that we have fuedal lords who enjoy discriminating their fellow citizens on caste and faith, we all citizens pray for his longer life, longer than his great grand children, let him also see death and destruction in his family, his sons, grand sons and their children die because of his longer life right in front of him. !!!!
If citizens do not come out of the mentality of snatching the good for themselves on the basis of caste, faith etc, it is only question of time that we the nation will be ruled in small zones of individual satraps local goons in the society.
The constitution which talks of secular democracy has been systematically subverted, its each organ decaying in role of good governance with stinking favouritism, nepotism and partial delivery of good to sections which organise best, again it will be jungle law, not rule of law.
Let us hope and think that moderator does not need permission to cut out the non-issues out of the board,from NEWS and many such irrelevant topics which are stagnated in the board like the old whiteant eaten banyan tree of dogmas in hindu way of life ? We have anchors who talk of reforms in way of life, and in the debating forum, we see no such reforms ?
please go thru the post of the above Mr. nariman, now the latest trend being the talk on buddhism, and destruction, he is the real leader fit to be in MPs post, new tactics seem to be his forte in dividing united nation and its citizens.
Ofcourse others of similar slave mentality can putforth posts of how the protestants and christians destroyed each others place of worship or how the shias and sunnis clash on the muharram celebrations ?
Being in India is the secular nation having secular citizens is big starting point for debate. ?
" you upper castes" ...? my friend why do you classify me in any upper caste, in any debate, if you are not sure of your objective, or goal, do not start to play to the gallaries.
I do not have a caste, I am hindu, proud to be so, and I do not recognise you by your caste as you have no caste as such, caste is recognised by the work or vocation you are in, at the moment you are sharing your learned thoughts, you are brahmin, but if you are abusive you are inhuman, leave alone of any caste.?
Civilised behaviour in democratic life reflects in the behaviour of individuals, who are learned, the so called dalit "leaders" and their lifestyles do not reflect the learned life nor civilised behaviour as they have only abuses to citizens in society.
At most they are "contractors" who promise moon and bring hired slogan shouters to establish these "leaders" of their importance to any political outfit and the votes further exploiting the oppressed. ?
Sir, Nariman, on one side nation is sliding with practically no governance, with caste and faith hates and demand for good governance to be in practise. But you seem to be engaged in propaganda of political division of hindus at a time when a lot of citizens are seeking solace rightly or wrongly in other faiths thinking that will give them power to rule by change of faiths, to buddhism, christianity or islam. ?
By your hard work of hate posts of the centuries old destruction of temples of one faith by another faith are you not advocating for further destruction of places of worship by one faith to pamper the ego of another faith and its people, ?
It is not very difficult to give learned posts of one faith destroying another faiths places of worship, but in secular society where faith has to be internalised at individual level, for internal practise and not in governance, your acts are of sedition, and causing harm to the society. ?
By the way as a learned person would you appreciate the destructions made by protestants of christian churches or vice versa. ? Or would you like to have details of how many muharram processions of shias were attacked by sunnis in all over the nation, that is secular India ?
Ambedkar, Babasaheb, is a learned person, is a brahmin, by the set standards of real words of suthras, as he not only attemped reforms of humans in society, but also had the courage to fight for it,the fact that he burnt the interpretation of the society which was not applicable to the current society but to the society at the time of kingdoms is not to be overlooked.
Every individual being equal before law, in society the discrimination that is being encouraged has led to a society where new groups of dalits are born every day.
I am not justifying the interpretations which have no relevance today in free democratic society,where each individual has a choice to his vocation, and birth does not determine the caste in todays life.
Sad part of the debate is you are justifying the caste system where it should not have any role in governance, as good governance in democracy should only mean equal rights and opportunities to all individuals irrespective of caste and faith being in secular democratic societal life. Politicians and the babus after freedom of nation have used this to discriminate the citizens to create slave vote banks.
Woh, good concise summary.
No faith in any society is bereft of discrimination, take the nation Pakistan, formed for muslims, there also the natives of the land discriminate the others who have migrated from the hindustan apart from other sorts of discriminations being on regional aspects also. !!!!
I have total agreement with you, yes, Vedas are revelations of truth, the absolute ones, for developed intellect, interpretations later, by many are the bhashyas, upanishads and commentaries dwelling on any one perspective of these absolute truths to their followers in their life time as per the needs of the society. The charm of hindu way of life lies in the truth that it is the most adaptive, yet, retains its ever valid truths in its way of life, in evolving lifes of the society no other faith has such flexibilty to change to the changing need of the society, yet retain the ethics and morals of good life.
Abrahamic religions and faiths which are comparatively, still rigid in the hands of rigid clergy, hence the clash of interests as the clergy want to retain the hold quoting scriptures and threats of fathwas and ostracisation.
At village levels the hindu way of life has got the elements of rigid individuals, but if you really see objectively, it is not the clergies, or brahmins who hold the keys but the fuedal lords, land owners who exploit the weak in the society under caste banner, classifying themselves as OTHER BACKWARDS castes, hence this circus of caste politics and the game of reservations for the oppressed to keep them ever under oppression by giving them meals, never letting them to cook their own meals, or earn their meals in dignified life.
The very short term measure of reservation, for the oppressed dalits has been subverted by the fuedal lords by including themselves in the category, even centuries of this reservation, will not solve the issue of equity and justice unless the economic criteria is adopted to give opportunities or rather opportunate circumstances for all citizens to earn their livelihood. That would be good governance in democracy.
Well said, please do the needful. NDTV, you are a winner, be the winner.
I can only say, your learning is incomplete, for the vedas by themselves are absolute truths, the bhashyas or subsequent interpretations of the vedas, such as manusmrithi, are only interpretations, one out of many, at that point of social life, and it is not the veda, but only an interpretation at that time of social life.
So please do not get confused, as manu interprets the society as Composit body, of which the different sections of the society are organs of the society, composit,no part of that body composit is superior or inferior in living body society, as any part which does not work, will render whole body sick. Brahmins referred are those who are learned, to serve the society on good work using their intellect, birth has nothing to do with being brahmin, any one who develops intellect and uses it for the society is brahmin, brahmin is not by birth.
Any one who fights for the safety of the kingdom, to ensure safety of that society is soldier, Kshatriya, and others who are engaged in business are vysyas, all the vocations are interchangeable in the need of the kingsom at the times of war and peace. Please ponder on these thoughts as that is the urgent need of todays life and society. Today discriminated governance has made all citizens in society DALITS. thank you.
One of the greatest skills developed by all Indians is expertise in the blame game, focus is on fixing the blame,naturally, fuedal lords of british days have found new ways to raise the blame game, thus all citizens busy in the blames of every issue, good governance without discrimination of caste and faith, religion and region goes for a toss.
If only all of us are aware of the ills of bad governance based on discrimination on the basis of caste, faith, region and be aware of our rights and duties in the society as citizens,responsibility to the nation and others in the society, we can throw these lumpen non-performers of any political party to dust bins or for a start, make them perform their duties to the nation, not to their parties. ?
Sir, even in simple English the words - "apology" means different from "regret". ?
Kshama yachana our dukh afsos hona ?
You are right my dear one, in my travel it was my misfortune to see the opulence of this "gufa", a place which is supposed to guide people on ethics and morals.
Saddam could have learn a lesson or two from this "gufa" architect.
Pen is mightier than the sword, mike in the hands of "secularists" in media has the need of the pen than of the sword.We need to use the IT enabled technology to bring out the resentment of bashing the good of hindu way of life.
One kabutar, with brains, that comes to my mind is Jaipal Reddy, once here then there, he is fit for your definition. !!!!
well said.
Well said, for those who have shorter memories, it can be refreshed about the RSS volanteers who cleared the rotten dead bodies in Andhra, after the cyclone, when even administration was wringing its hands to touch the stink. !
Sorry my friend, sycophants need good brains as the ship sinks, they are the first to know and change the ship, leaving it like rats.!!!!
That apart, why cant we talk about the issue than about the kabutar ?
Sir, it is summer, heat is quite right for mud bath, have you not noticed the elephants enjoying the mud bath before the good cool water in the river ?
Biggest success of UPA coalition in general, in particular of Congress, is that it made all citizens aware what it means to have no governance at all,with lame duck turbanator reversing decisions for a two paragraph letter of his madam, home minister making hardly heard voice invisible on terror front,defence minister shying away from defence purchases urgently needed being very honest,law minister authorising de-freezing funds in london for uncle Q, now people know only haath is with citizens everything else of Congress is with anti-nationals. ?
Arre yaar, it has taken 13 decades to "hear", leave alone adjudicate, about the disputed land and building in Ayodhya,it takes courage for judiciary to pounce only on weak citizens with contempt,not on these matters which affects nation.Even in free India we have the judges dancing to the political tunes to give out doctored reports and retired judges are not tired of talking of corruption in every walk of life including judiciary. ?
When governance is good, impartial, without fear or favour all these issues just vanish from public life.
Sir, you are right, and I would add, GOD as good is, in you, me and every living being,only we have no time or patience to hear the GOD in us and we are so immersed in all activites which good sense would have prevented us not to be involved with along with good in us occassionally sprouting out to do some good acts.?
Sir, rationally speaking, let us see if he is ascetic as he claims to be ? Does he need seven and half acres of palatial "gufa" as residence ? A common man sleeps on the pavements and footpath, works for over 10 hours to meet his ends meet.To own a plot of 30 x 40 in even a small city it takes lakhs to buy and then a house to construct on it. This SANT owns 7500 acres of city, seven and half acres of small gufa as his residence. It was alleged that many rapes of innocent devotees by this fourty year old naughty godman,has taken place in the "gufa", is under investigation of CBI, a adventurist journalist who ventured to "gufa" was murdered by unknown assailants, so SANT is still under investigation, and ofcourse this SANT gave edict to his followers to vote for a particular party, do SANTS have a role in politics. ?
ATMOST, they can advise the followers to be ethically and morally correct in their life to vote the right person, of their choice, in free India we want our leaders, be it spiritual, intellectual or material, to tell us when to eat, drink, copulate ? But none to tell us to be humans first,these SANTs, my foot. ?
Sir, please do not use the word SANT for this sort of people who wear fancy dresses, glitzy costumes for their public appearences and discourses. There is no aesthetics or ascetics in this persons dress sense or behaviour.
Tusi wait karna yara, now that PIL is in supreme court, it will take another century to decide .!!!!
In between it is sub-judice ?
In Indian democratic life, it is indeed pathetic to see the irresponsible acts of bureaucrats and their masters, politicians, running for every small act of bold governance, be it a law and order issue or any issue of good governance as if their entire intellect is held hostage to vote banks. ?
Take the case of an adult rapist, son of an IG, convicted and jailed, takes parole with the assistence of his IG of Police , father, violates law again, with abetting father, rule of law seeks permission of judiciary to take the action under law. !
Take the case of Afjal Guru, convicted of treason and terrorist acts , convicted by highest court, CM sits on this file in Delhi state, may be waiting for a judgement in PIL to forward her counsel to President. ?
Now comes another case, that of hasina parker, evading warrant of arrest for weeks together, comes to court with hejab, with similar four other forms in hejab, is it not impersonation of the worst kind, with covered face showing only slits of eyes out of the whole "black gas cylinder", any one can blow on short fuse, and so police want courts to decide as to which one has to be arrested. ?
Dera Sacchha Sauda and its chief, disturbs sectarian harmony, thus violates the rule of law, disturbing harmony in society, he has already enough cases of alleged illegal acts of rape and murder, to act, the entire state machinery looks at the court, now this alleged criminal puts his PIL in the highest court of the nation, to broker peace, is it not subverting democracy and rule of law ?
When do we citizens come out of our blame games and every time when it is time to act on our own, we want judicial shield as if if we act impartially under judicial order, that will be exonerated. ? Act on our own is not to mean taking law in to our own hands, but atleast register our protest of these scoundrels in politics and bureaucracy who are not doing their jobs for which the citizens pay them thru the national ex-chequer. Is it too much to demand of the law keepers to act when it is their duty to act ?
Not only RSS and VHP, every citizen, in right thinking mode has the right to stop this or any illegal activity of "conversion" as criminal procedure code gives right to citizen the right to arrest the individual who is indulging in criminal acts or about to indulge in it, and hand him over to law keepers.That is known as citizens act of "arrest".
Citizens may not know of this including the "journalists" who are having a basic degree in mass communication but being little responsive and responsibilty to the nation except their channels ?
Friend, your open mind is good for the progress of the nation.
To many, the interpretation of the vedas, as given out by the later rulers is by itself has become veda, one such bad example is that of manusmrithi, for manuvadis it is classification of humans by birth, for the opponents of manusmrithi, it is a tool of ridiculing the hindu way of life.
What both the for and opposing proponents, do not, or rather refuse to accept is, the concept in manusmrithi, is that of the entire society as a whole, is seen as a cosmic body of which different humans in different vocations are compared to different organs of that composit body, no part of the body being superior or inferior, as for a healthy body all organs have to be equally operative. ?
So, opponents want this interpretation to be burnt, but not the wrong practise of caste system to be abolished, which is based on birth and not on vocation.With vocation becoming inter-changable in society, the birth has nothing to do with available opportunities in democratic free life, when it is available to all in good governance.?
Then why there should be discrimination based on birth and caste which are again manageable in the corrupt system ,certificates are on sale ?
Those who miss the train can follow Lalu, keep spitting on the platform, making it more dirty, in this context, nation. ?
Friend, it is part of the game, to shift goal posts, when goal itself is not clear to players. ?
Many feel the specialisation of blame game is the politics of the nation, past-time, not seeking answers to get good governance in the democracy.
More the blame, more the rebuttals and further gone is the goal.?
Well, my friend, we Indians specialise in blame games and forever, it leads to a governance where people who are at governance can blame the citizens, citizens keep blaming the NDA and UPA, in the process all have become dalits except the rulers, the meaning of dalit in simple terms left out of good governance, helpless and hapless. !!!!
GIRI, MAHATMA WAS AFTER ALL HUMAN, HAD HUMAN FLAWS, HAD COURAGE TO ADMIT THE FLAWS IN HIM, BUT DEBAUCH NEHRU IN HIS URGENCY TO BE PM, DID ALL THE MESS THAT IS iNDIA TODAY.
Look at Sonia, she has a minister from DMK who was allegedly "helped" the assasins of LTTE in Rajiv case, now rewarded with ministry,for power this shadow of Indian national Congress can do anything illegal, immoral and unethical but preach all moral, ethical and go to church on Sunday, confess the sins, come out to sin again.
UPA Prime minister, lame duck blue turbanator, in his talk reminds industries of their concern to common man, what a way to start the concern for common man, with his finance minister favouring industries to ignore, PM advising them to "show " concern, with election results falling flat, state elections exhibiting the Congress that aam admi is having only haath with them,not the mind and will to good governance. ?Three years of non performance and fire fighting within the cabinet, tainted ministers having the fun at the cost of common man, HRD fooling on castes and quotas, real concern indeed for common man.?
Jay, the examples you have chosen to quote are absurd, for one Hitler was the one who shot himself, scared to face the defeat, after adventure of war to rule the world.
Now, about Jesus Christ, he is believed as son of God, who came to salvation of his believers,a Good Shephard, to show the way of life to the herd,he was crucified, assuming that he took the sins of all the sinners in the world.
Guru Gobind Singh fought against the atrocities of invading mughals and saved the society of atrocities by raising a panth of devoted soldiers to fight against atrocities,in the circumstances your outburst does not reflect the true facts.
Absurd comparison do not merit consideration in a fruitful debate, anyway taking it logically, goon in your area dresses like your father, wants to live like your father with your mother, will you allow ?
"Free Religion" of hinduism is not free to exploit and hurt the sentiments of others in society,make money out of the religion. In any religion it is not a big issue, but hindu way of life balances material, intellectual and spiritual aspects of life, to have harmonius life,respects all forms of good life and your own conscious decided for you what is good life. That choice is with hindu way of life, that of acceptance of any path towards better life.
Sir, thank you for giving the correct version and the graphic details of pervert art.
IGNORANCE IN CHILD KRISHNA IS BLISS, GO ENJOY SOME ICECREAM, NOW PURE BUTTER IS RARE.
Sir, now it is practise for many criminals to wear the holy robes to be in gufa or some such fancy named 750 acres of palatial home, where silent walls cry out the rape and abuse of the innocents for justice when politicians seek favours of votes and dole out and defend these criminals, for mutual benefits,even media will not cover the death of its tribe, an adventourous journalist who ventured to investigate the happenings, was murdered, CBI premier investigation agency is still "investigating". A CM who can not take tough decision to administrate and order investigation to be completed in his five year tenre is replaced by another one, now he has to be not only impartial, but seem impartial, tough.
Judiciary has also got to be tough with all the religious godmen who indulge in non ascetic sex adventures which ever faith they may be from. But let the politicians not politicise and make mockery of judicial process like they did with kanchi seer.
None can make a great panth disrespectful by their foolish selfish actions.
As you are aware, some criminals with political patronage wear the holy robes, stay in gufas of 750 acres, walls silently crying out for justice for the rape and abuse victims,bold adventurous journalist gets murdered for his efforts to investigate, when premier investigative agency CBI is still investigating the crimes of this fraudster not even in 7500 acres of township.
As gurubani says, good deeds, works give good, evils will get washed away by their own deeds.Let us be good.
Correct, explained well, Parbhandak Committee ensures good administration of all the gurudwaras and its workings.
Panch Pyare, five high priests of the panth are the advisors on the matters of faith, with consultative aspect being the high point of Takht.
Chillies naxal variety, from Guntur/ Ongole/warangal dried in Singur/ nandidgram. ?
Sir, religion and guru is for the guidance of the followers to be ethically and morally correct in their life, politics is part of that life of an individual as he lives his life in society, one part of his life, active or latent, passive.
Akal Takht never gave edicts to vote a particular party, SGPC is duly elected body of the followers, Panch Pyare never interferes in voting choices for the politics.
Compare this to Arch Bishops talkiing on Sunday to masses in Church to vote for a particular party because mother of all sacrifices is heading it, belongs to "our " faith.
Also citizens have seen and suffered the imams who inflame their followers even after bomb blasts instead of asking for peaceful protests, after the blasts at masjids,inciting to kill their own followers to "retaliate" and winners all, with compensation for rioters. ?
Sir, there are two simple ways to KILL a society, one take the violent means, as being resorted now.
Another, systematically, favour few sections and ignore the rest of the sections in economic benefits.Those economically ignored die out gradually, and the rest will be re-written history, like done in the last sixty years.
But that is not democratic rule, a rule of fuedal lords.
The ministry is that of political compulsions, non-performing assets of UPA, lameduck PM who can even think of getting duly elected by electorate seeking refuge to rajyasabha MP, nominne of Sonia,Chidambaram holding nation to hostage with his lopsided CII recommended reforms, not for the nation but for the industries,Sacchar report for vote gains, not for real good for muslims,all sections of citizens also called as aam admi held to fancied reforms with nil performance, Lalu with his gimmicks of cow and milching talks, has milched the citizens well with concealed fare hikes of railway fares, re-christening the passenger and mail trains as fast express,if at all some credit is to be given, it is due to only mother of sacrifices who has sacrificed 21 crores of the nation to her uncle Q with assistance of CBI, Addl. Solicitor general and her law minister,as PM nominee has been looking elsewhere.! Kamalnath and Murli Deora have tried their best to surrender to WTO, but thanks to red brigade, surrender is not complete.
My friend, would you please give one, atleast one reference of direct quote to prove what you are saying about the humnas in any of these texts like Rig Veda, Bhagawath Gita.?
Please do not say what some one has said, but give the quote and verse, from the texts you have refered for all the MB users to know.
As to Ambedkar, he is learned, tried reforms for the oppressed using his knowledge, he is brahmin by vedic set standards.Birth does not make any one a shoodra or kshatriya or a brahmin, it is his acts of life, in vocation in society that makes him what he is.
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Dooms day predictions went on, but never came the dooms day, many made money out of the prediction.
It is absurd for a channel like NDTV to term the akal takht as "political" as it is not political body but religious body demcratically elected supreme will of the sikh people, please do not loose crediblity at the cost of truth.
Did you enjoy with kushwanth, he is good as human, but in bed he is one.!!!!
Exceptions like the lame duck blue turbanator are not the rule yaar. !!!!
Hey, you are more accurate than all the pollsters. I agree with you.
iT IS A MISGUIDED MISSILE ON A WRONG MISSION BUT DEFINITELY NOT PAKI,RED ALERT SOMETIMES MISGUIDES EVEN GOOD MISSIONS, ?
Bush has advantage of war economy. ?
Bush has advantage of war economy. ?
Listen, my friend , all vaginas are of same deliveries, brahmin do not come out of separate vaginas, brahmins are not born out of special dicks,they have to earn knowledge, be useful to society and make society useful to mankind all humans, even a brahmin born out of any vagina like ambedkar is brahmin when with his thoughts mitigated the difficulties of the poor oppressed, so also his "guru". whose surname he adopted for himself, as ambedkar, is brahmin for he made ambedkar realise his duties to his humans in society.
Do you, NDTV have what ever takes it to publish this post ?
When a reputed and percieved unbiased channel like NDTV bends to crawl, terms Akal Takht as "political" some thing is seriouly wrong in media and its blacksheep.
As cong goons who reward and award goons like Owaisi who spins riots gets rewards for the riots then this channel needs medical and pschyological "aids" pun intended, if you have guts take it.
Now I have to pray for you, as you have shown the quality of surgical precision in your post also. Hope all your unfortunate patients were not sutured by you but by your able sycophants atleast for the remuneration they were getting for their duty. ?
Now I have to pray for you, as you have shown the quality of surgical precision in your post also. Hope all your unfortunate patients were not sutured by you but by your able sycophants atleast for the remuneration they were getting for their duty. ?
What about the donations from christians for evangelists to "convert" and the NGOs for islami jihadists getting "aids" from theesta for the jihaad. ?legal aid to terrorists is exempt from income as more income is generated for her ?( pun intended.)
Do you, NDTV have what ever takes it to publish this post ?
When a reputed and percieved unbiased channel like NDTV bends to crawl, terms Akal Takht as "political" some thing is seriouly wrong in media and its blacksheep.
As cong goons who reward and award goons like Owaisi who spins riots gets rewards for the riots then this channel needs medical and pschyological "aids" pun intended, if you have guts take it.
Gurus belong to the society, but this " guru" of dera saccha sauda is belonging to only Congress, is the creation of Congress like the one of bhindranwale, of Zail singh fame, now Amarinder Singh. Congress is famous for the fishing in troubled waters after freedom, of sycophants, they live on exploitation, nothing else, shameless looters of the national funds be it bofors, or kickbacks in oil coupons,it is the duty of every indian to kick out the sycophants to italy who live on borrowed name of mahatma who lived with non-violence but these cong goons live on violence. Beware, all indians, the game of mafia is on, kick the asses now , not later when it is too late.It is sad that the reputed channel like NDTV is helping the Congress in hits goon games of vioence.
It is absurd for a channel like NDTV to term the akal takht as "political" as it is not political body but religious body demcratically elected supreme will of the sikh people, please do not loose crediblity at the cost of truth.
I hope the judge will use the same yardstick for the friend of terrorists, sanjay dutt, who parades himself once in skull cap, and masjid, and then in thilak and temples.
friends, five blind men went to "see" , feel and understand the elephant, tame and docile well behaved one at that. One had the feel of the trunk and said this elephant is like the pythan snake,other one had a touch of its large ear and hey, this elephant is like the sifter of rice ,but huge,third one held on to its leg, said, friends, elephant is like a pillar, round and strong one,fourth had touch at belly of the elephant and said this like a huge bag,fifth one with touch of the tail of the elephant agreed with the one who had touched the trunk, said, this is like a small snake, this elephant.
That is what is happening today in society each one having his feel, touch and perception of hindu way of life, each one is right in his own perception but none have the total picture nor grasp of elephantine society of hindus.
Old order always gives way for new one. !
Wow, well said, but I can not say these words.
Well, no one likes violence to settle scores as it demeans to get attention. To blame BJP and RSS and enhance the visibilty of such blames is evident on this board itself to start with, one response and four posts. Great way of brain wash. !!!!
When in six decades of Congress rule the congress does not take any initiative to expediate the judiciary, the judiciary is happy with post reitrement dole outs of chairmanships to Commissions of inquiries, when do we get to resolve what is rightfully, ours ?
Now with all the surrounding area of about 37 acres purchased with perfect legal tender, by Shilanyas trust, a mere 42 x60 feet land is still in dispute in secular nation, when do others also show the tolerence for hindus ? Why the judiciary is still on tarik pe tarik ke mode mein hai ?
Best reply for shifting quick sand platform.
Great thoughts Sir, well said,let us basiclly understand one issue ass we discuss the happenings, none have narrow parochial or party as their platform for the message board, having seen the freedom,relished it,use it with responsibilty, let all citizens learn to appreciate the good things in any party,at the same time not hesitate to condemn the human flaws, corret them, make an honest effort at better society to harmonious living for all,irrespective of the name of the party it is humans with good ethics and morals alongside with human flaws make up these political outfits.
Experience of butler reflecting in nariman ?
Ashes to ashes, dusts to dust, ultimately it is only dust, after all the loud bang, it is dust, dust, from where again is the ressurection and life.
Wow, well said.
My friend, I empathise with you and many many millions who are deprived and suppressed in the rule of democracy of what is rightful opportunity to each of us, on the basis of caste, faith and religion just like in the days of kings and kindoms when the fuedal lords favoured their chamchas and let others suffer.
The solution is in not obliterating what is inbuilt in society but in asserting the rights in ethical and moral path of being the equals in law and in rule without discrimination.The democracy which ignores the millions to earn votes only at the time of elections is not democratic rule but is rule of fuedal lords of each caste favouring their kith and kin by subverting the rule of law, unless each of the citizen who is dalit when rule of law does not give him good of good governance.In that line of thought, we have in society many millions in each caste, many dalits, who do not get any good governance which is their birth right in democracy.
Wise men said, to know, learn from the travel as extensively as possible, observe, understand and assimilate what you have experienced,
OR still better improve sense and sensibilities of your mind, body and soul to experience the pain and trauma of other lives around your life,
OR find a perfect person who can dispel darkness and lead you in to light of understanding. The choice is free and available except when tainted by material gains. !!!!
Sir, rebel as the name suggets is the truth, represented by the ills of the society which ruthlessly oppresses and destroys the very existence of hapless and helpless in the society in the guise of misinterpreted sciptures, so naturally he hates the very scriptures of which he has limited understanding except what is told to him by vested interests.
If he could only understand the very scriptures that he is talking about with his own intellect, his life would be that of glories,but hate, bias and prejudice to the very thoughts which respect every human as part of the ultimate truth, God, does not discriminate any one as "lower" and "upper" birth as each of the birth happens from the same hole universally proves that humans are of higher or lower by their good or evil actions that they undertake.- thier vocation to be good in society or devils in society.
Partial knowledge of any scripture is dangerous to ones own health and mental well-being. If that partial knowledge is from third party outsourcing the damage is more, no hindu scripture talks of birth based caste, but only vocation based sections of the society,which for body of the society is different organs of the body, no part of such body - Society, is superior or inferior for body being in good health.
My friend I only request you to take the first hand start for knowledge, not some biased interpretations doled out by masters to keep slavery going. !!!!
Every human being is part and parcel of god, good in him is coexistent with his human flaws, when human flaws take over the acts of human he is evil, simple as that, and this evil when exploits the others in the society by any means such as scripture, faith, religion, reduces the others in the society to hapless, helpless victims of his greed, in rule of daily life, these oppressed and exploited are Dalits.
Every dalit in society thus depressed and suppressed has to learn to get over the evil machinations of deprivation by collective good in each of the humans to have the self respect, good skills and knowledge to thwart the evils in society.
Hey, My dear one, again a rush of outbursts in total reflection of intolerence ?
Well, now that he is with us in the discussion, he is not from hell or heaven, from this planet Earth, and issue of his being boss, why anyone is a boss, we are all citizens of free India, if some one has better intellectual thoughts, it is for us to evolve our intellect, make our thoughts better with more wisdom.
Jelousy is very lousy, my dear one, envy is alright, for it gives scope to evolve the capacity of our intellectual faculties, by looking at the thoughts, trying to analyse them, separate chaff and grain.
Friend he is chronic case of sycophancy even when this reason for the illness, chronic ailment is on its last rites with dynasty is in live in relationship at 36 years of age. !!!!
Well, well, look who is giving sermons on Bharathiya Sanskrithi...., who are the oppressors of all the cases that you mentioned, my friend, are they not the fuedal lords of yesterday, labelling themselves as "backward castes" today in democratic for of rule, ?
Also how is it that you overlook another kind of suppression of women who are forced by society to cover from head to toe, to only rape mentally the men that they see on the outside, when men can throw away the covering , say shirts,off their body and get admiring looks ?
Friend, Red Brigade is now red with its own blood of the cadres in loot and rape, not revolution of workers unity.
White brigade has forgotten the colours of sacrifice as saffron, so also the colour of mother nation, as that of a section
Sir, Indian National Congress has no such individuals of moral high calibre today.Beacause what we have today is pale shadow of that entity.
Mahatma had the courage to admit that he was human, humane, in his book " Experiments with truth " where he admits that to test his will power he slept naked with his two followers ,young,naked, that is power of mind over the matter.
Today we have fake gandhis who use his name as being the adopted progeny of Pheroz Shah, adopted individual of this great saint M K Gandhiji,,even though that Pheroz Shah had much higher moral strength than his progeny to refuse the alms from his father in law, PM of nehru who died lonely death deserted by his wife Indira, of pneumonia.
Designing a parachute ? Optimist invents a aircraft, pessimist designs a parachute !!!
What is your take on intolerence of media "journalist" anchor, award winner barkha dutt, to any other views than her own ?
And as to propagation of modern ills of modern life, she is advocating the rights of modern life, gay, lesbian, live-in, multi partners in bed like the change of bed sheets bedding partners, AIDS is the gift of modern life styles.
Fitting to the name as glouse to a hand,that apart Namaz is offered to Allah, do not show your ignorance to belittle Islam.
Very much appreciated thoughts, my Friend,it is in a debate, when the issue is lost as the debaters get so emotive that the attack becomes personal, not on thoughts, but irrational responses. !
Then the ego comes in to play as some become seconders of some responses and others become responders, in all, the focus gets shifted to mud slinging with all hands muddy. ?
Some seem to have contractual obligations to defend a party and malign other MB users and the parties in the nation, irrespective of whatever good they see in any other political set up. ? In the process the whole exercise becomes a place of spending time in futility and blame game.
While I agree with you that a criminal has to face the prsecution,judiciary has to take decision on the accused, but democracy when is controlled by fuedal lords, individuals in democracy have no recourse in judiciary which is delayed, justice denied to genuine sifferers, it is no surprise that mob takes over the dispensation of justice.
More over if citizens have any idea as to how many innocents have been killed in punjab labelled as terrorists, for gains by the sycophants of their assets in lands, the nation kept quiet to eliminate the bigger evil - terrorism in Punjab.
Now big hue and cry is made because of different yardsticks used as the party in power is not Congress, ? In congress ruled states even today, the police in cohert with anti nationals have a big role in fake encounters when it becomes no more milching cow.Blackmail of builders, ransom calls supported by police is the latest fad in Maharashtra. If victim happens to be a muslim our "secular" press immediately sees red as the brains are indoctrined in red philosophy. !
No individual in society, in any walk of life is above the laws of the nation. Ofcourse the journalists and artists have certain privileges as they in their act of expression, reflect the ills in society within the sense and sensibilty of the society,but if crass commercialism is percieved as the driving force of such expressions such will be sure target of the society as society which gives them respect expects them to be sensible in the exercise of their rights and privileges.
If that is one angle of looking at incident, the other angle is that of "intellectuals" of left coming in to protest to get some mileage after left parties not even winning one seat in UP,and Congress in cohourt with left preparing the hate grounds for elections in Gujarath. ?
The same mythology warns of the consequences faced by Ahilya into stone, later absolved by the lotus feet of Lord Rama,as to Indra he is the arch model for rulers of today, as and when his rule was lax, it was taken over by other strong individuals, ravana even captured Indra kept him in his prison along with asta dikpalakas.!
As to the ills of liberal advovates who want sensuous pleasures in the guise of modernity, the side effects of ills can be seen in society with much worse ailments such as AIDS, pschological disorders, suicides of sane who turn mentally sick by being very modern. Suicides of models and icons should be the eye openers. !
Soon we will have iconic award winning journalists in the headlines of being psychic disorders with their live in relationships, lesbian and gay lifestyles.
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If your presumption is about intelligent order irrespective of the birth of the person, your thesis has merit.
As to otherwise a brahmin born or a any born does not earn caste, it is label put by societal custom. A person who earns knowledge, uses it for societal good, a person who defends society and a person who does business in society and others who serve all, was the basis, as no organ of the body of society by itself remain supreme and indispensable.
Sir, can we leave it to citizens of gujarath who have seen the best of vaghela, girija vyas and gehlot ?
As to Congress it can not even be alternate to anything unless it builds its cadres and start afresh with its Sevadal, which was casteless social organisation, after 1969 it has only hired slogan shouters arranged in hired vehicles by sycophants to show off their strength not votes ?
Well said.
Please do not worry, hindu way of life accepts all filth like river ganga, cleans it of the ills, even the converted cant get rid of the rituals they followed before conversion.
Recently at a wedding I saw the couple exchange garlands, light the lamps for a start in front of Kanya mary and infant jesus as all invitees showered colored rice on the groom and bride. !
Yeh acchi baath nahin hai, !!!!
When private media channels are commercial oriented they have their compulsions which do not speak well for their ethics and morals, my friend they speak of only others morals and ethics ,not their own.
Hey, hey, this left idelogist, indoctrined lady is so modern that she can be only in India, in any other islamic country she would have had enough Fathwas for hugging every one including jihadis, ?
Well my friend, you have missed the jungle holding on to wood, Who is this VC, panikkar, from Gods own land, brain washed hardcore left ideologist, any idea, ? Who are the rubble rousers on this entire drama in protests , like of Hashmi and all the groups, they are all frontal organisations of communists who propagate that all religions are opium of the society, hence every effort to paint black.
By the way do you know the "astrologer" another Panikker of gods' own land who hogged the limelight on the electronic media with a starlet who touched the idol of Ayyappa, a bachelor god ? Few hours and days of denbate with indoctrined brains of media went gaga with womans rights and all the nonsense associated with lopsided modernity along with gay life, live-in relationship and sodomy. !
We have so much rights that our anchors and "journalists" do not seem to be finding their way in creative use of their intellect, for the society but more procreative views. ? On top, the females in this tribe, feel they are "modern" in their choice with a sick mind and body which will soon have deceases of mind ,body and soul. !!!!
Friend, hypocracy is when a female in the religion is made to cover herself from top to bottom but use only her eyes to mentally rape the man she sees on the outside world, man who throws away his shirt to show off his body ?
Friend, here the issue is very simplistic in its form, hindus accept Krishna as human who has come to save the Dharma, has the human flaws as well, in the process of being in human incarnation. Prophet is also a human who married 63 women, youngest one being 13 years old, assures jannath for those who fight for the faith with 72 virgins attending their pleasures, Christ also a human with all human good and flaws, but good is more than the human flaws in all these humans, so what is the big fuss ?
Just as the followers rever their icons, does it give right to muslims to insult the others reverence to their icons when they do not accept this disregard to their icon ? Or do the christians have special rights to injure and insult others not in their faith by lure of vagina and money ?
Religion and faith is internal not for exhibhition of as to how devout one is to his religion. The simple words, "Dharmo Rakshathi Rakshitaha" states respect your duties to your faith, that faith will be saviour, which ever faith you are in. Does it say that you insult and injure other humans in the guise of being devout to your faith ?
Well, if that is line of your train of thoughts, how about the Prophet who assured the Jihadis who fight and die for the fights, jannath with 72 virgins ? With freedom of expression and my rights can I have the portrait of Prophet with 72 virigns that prophet had led jihad ? Would you call it civilised right of expression and artistic liberty ?
When a faith or religion is used for making money, Mother Marys' statue also sheds tears at the foolishness of these religions being taken for ride to make money, ?
Sir, your remarks justify the heading very well, with more scmsters, sycophants and fraudsters to loot the nation, Congress can claim higher purity on immoral grounds of national polity ?
A Law minister approving defreezing the accounts at London for uncle Q, godmother of sacrifices not coming out with any statements and leaving the offence to her Advocate Kapil Sibla who defended the loot, defence left to Abhishek manu Singhvi who stalled the legal proceedings in single judge giving stays for years, termed irregular by Supreme court, CBI hauled up bu Judicial magistrates of the land such as in Kochi, and jaipur for the shoddy investigation for their political masters, atleast Congress can claim to be very impure subverting laws to favour its godmother,so that they can claim votes of all criminals. ?
Lameduck prime minister resorting to rajyasabha being the tenant of a CM for 700/- rent for a house in Assam, keeping the Chair warm for dynastic succession, great performance for declining vote share can be adjusted by criminal votes in future by increased tribe of criminals ? Very secular credentials indeed. !
Many in the MB do not have a grasp of what hinduthva and hindu way of life is, for a starter.!!!
That apart Mayavathi has been able to combine the two complete contrasting opposite forces of dalits and upper castes is no mean achievement compared to divisive games of Congress of pitting hindu against muslims and upper castes against dalits with canards of hindus hating muslims.?
Ms. Louise Fernandes khursheed, wife of UPCC President, Salman Khursheed lost miserably this time in UP, now ex-MLA,if you need further some more names of relatives in the election frey is available all across the parties, which by itself is evidence of falling standards in public life of pubic life.
Confused, Well let me show you my right of expression and let us see if it does not hurt the sentiments, provided the moderator permits it.
A fiction of a novel which says about the jesus christ as human as any body else having the children and living normal life, his descendents are protected by the faithfuls, is obscene for the "penguins" of the faith along with the "fathers" who do not have children, still known as revered fathers, marry nuns, still known as fathers. How is it for a starter.?
Only truth is we hindus do not wish to hurt others sentiments in such talks, even if it is the plain truth about many "fathers" some of whom are caught for sodomy, some for burning their nuns house for being rejected for repeat performance as reported in western press, more open in reportage.
Have you heard of sister Abhaya in Kochi, Kerala raped and murdered by "father" now in judicial monitoring of the case as investigation by CBI is termed by the court as utter crap. ?
Well friend afterall, media has also got the same individuals who chase money more and national good less, and ofcourse who is not scared of friday prayers and frenzied mobs who come out after the prayers ?
As to the other part, the organisational art of school going children is special feature of protest when it comes to da vinci code. ?
Well, well, if I am not mistaken, all the channels sent their female "journalists" to have a first hand look once in twelve years of all the shapes and sizes.? In the debates I saw these females gushing in modernity, of the "culture" as all male have their satisfaction of modern females with enough exposures.
Truth of the matter is spirituality has its own space, commercial ventures go in there for the money, honey.
Well, Sir, to prove your moral credentials, I request you to come to Goa state, where christians dominate the daily life, most tolerent in every way,secular, would you kindly remind yourself of protests over da Vinci code, and paint the cross with nude Mary and christ and wait to see the response. ?Afterall Goa has congress rule, secular ?
Your post is that one of misguided hypocracy, friend, in temples on the outer walls it is true that carvings depict the conjugal bliss to make you aware of the sensuous pleasures are not the end of life, only beginning,there is more to bliss other than sensuous pleasures of material and physical pleasures in nature which relates to intellectual and spiritual life of the humans.
As a school going child I had the fortnue of hearing this from my teacher who was a christian reverend father,He said, in the court of King Akbar, king ridiculed the hindus for their idol worship and all were quite upset. Birbal as usual was calm composed self, innocently took out a packet of clothes, took out a oil painting of Akbars father and spat on the portrait. King was angry and about to punish his favourite minister. When asked by king, Birbal told him, afterall this is a portrait of your father, no life in it, why are you upset, jahampana ? Akbar the king understood the meaning of this and hugged Birbal and said, yes, now i understand, it is the human sentiments that we, humans hold in reverence what we believe to be sacred, and apologised to his hindus in th court, this was the beginning of new faith, Deen Elahi, a merger of hindy way of worship and sufism was born. And that teacher of mine, being cristian always held in high esteem of our feelings of our faith. Such teachers are revered.
Well friend, Tamilnadu police have also proved their credentials when the burning alive of journalists took place right in their presence by Rowdysheeter Pandi and his goons for DMK ?
Well, for one you seem to have missed the important factor that this individual has come from naxal infected left idealogy of warangal, where the basics taught is all religions are opium to society,for one, this attitude to society itself has gone a sea change with left leaders being seen at all places of worship without fail.
As to his right of expression, no one has right to insult and injure the sentiments of society in the guise of porn, soft pedalling of porn in the name of art to make fame and wealth as hussain does, who does not seem to have the courage to paint the Prophet or mother mary ?
Tolerence of hindu way of life can not remain tolerent to all sorts of onslaughts in the guise of expression of arts when it targets only sensible and not senseless forms of life.
Such artist should do well to start the espression of their art by portraying the parents and family in nude so that they can make money out of their porn art.
If an artist has the liberty to express himself as liberal to make nude presentation of idols revered by a section of society, how is it that he does not have guts to portray his parents, his mother and father in nude along with his sister in his freedom of expression as means to make more money ?
No right of individual is absolute to insult others in society, sense and sensibilty is such that he being social animal has to respect the rights of others in society, let the charity begin from home, let him express his art in portraying the nude picture of his family members, that will also bring him enough fame and wealth. ?
If Hussain has freedom of expression I can also exercise my rights to draw cartoons of prophet in nude with his circumcised penis which enjoyed 63 wives on display ? But will it be civilised way of exercising my rights ?
Being a devotee of linga and yoni, do you venture out with your penis exposed or do you wear any clothes as you come out of your home after your divine prayers ?
Just as gods are percieved as gods to rever in the form of phallus and vagina, does it make sense to make money by going around in nude or naked ?
Also look at it in another perspective, left idealogy ahs been to condemn all religions as opium to society, the student who has come from left infected area of Warangal, has shown his contempt, in the process is earning fame and wealth in use of faith. !
Sir, please read your own posts of defence in Sonia and you will get the answer, I hope, investigations. ?
Sir, it is true that Cameras were not there when 8 MPs gave the MPLAD funds to Naveen Chawlas wifes trust, but documentary evidence is now with courts, judiciary is seeking reply from the cabinet on appointment of this EC, which was refused by the cabinet secretary as "privileged " information, but courts have remarked" what is this privilege, in the presence of RTI Act, let us see the file".
Switching topics ? Sir,No not at all, the topic is of crimes and corruption in public life by MPs of any party,criminals in parliament, that is the topic, in the process are you not switching the focus on MPs of BJP instead of all MPs of any party ? We have been talking of crimes of individuals as MPs, in crimes from all across the political spectrum.
What a great way of appreciation, if you do good, it is to be blamed, if you dont do it, condemned. !!!!
Sir, are you talking of MPLAD scam or human traffisking scam ? If your memory has failed, let me refresh your memory. MPLAD scam has 8 names of Congress having given money of 2.65 crores to Navin Chawlas wife and the trust. Quid pro is his appointment as EC, the papers are now demanded by the judiciary. Kolis name surfaced in the human traffic scam, under investigation now. Few more names of MPs have now surfaced, documentary evidence of having floated fraudulent letter heads for visas.
Sir, appraisal of the media and judiciary is liable for contempt, that is why "journalist " can say anything with impunity like the judges.
Sir, when Pathak commission is still on oil coupons of Congress Party and has given details of only Natwar singh and his 3 million coupons, and as Sonia is still far away from any decision making of her stand for 4 million coupons,on resignation, why should you or me worry about Koli, who has been only under investigation. Please watch the story that is running now on Times NOW "exclusively" of other MPs. Some more travel agencies are in the offing, perhaps. ?
THANKS FOR THE GOOD SUGGESTION, IT IS REALLY WORTHWHILE, THINKING IN THE CURRENT SITUATION WHEN MY RESPONSES ARE NOT GETTING THE POST ON MB.
Calling a female who is already victim of a fraud, a prostitute is not speculation ? Branding a 14 year old male who uses illegal mean of immigration, a terrorist, not imagination ?
It is amusing to see those who talk of morals and the Congress, in their mindset have the same fuedal trend of blaming the victim, if she is female, a prostitute like defence lawyers defending the rapist accusing the victim of loose morals. !!!!
Reluctant act out of desperate public response to public opinion, but why are you not talking of RJD as that of murderers party as earlier for others. ? Double speak ?
Like to have black kids ? Wait for some two more years, legal age of marriage. ?
Govt. of India, guts ? UPA and its chamchas are themselves goons in the nation, how can anyone expect from a lameduck PM who himself has no morals to talk of guts and action when he is proposing with his panel safe passage for terrorists in Jammu and kashmir, discard politicians sitting in Home Ministry, defence and expect guts to act ? DMK with its goons does not mind attacking its own newspaper and its cadres are experts in violent acts.RJD and its band of murderers are with UPA. Shibu Soren of kidnap and murder convict is their ally, looters of the nation when in rule, they keep looting not ruling.
Sir, but why no tirades against the RJD, and its chief, Lalu like it was with BJP for Koli or katara. ? This is not very singular isnt it ? No double standards ?
House on fire needs help and water to extinguish fire, not fuel, but safe passage for terrorists by panel,by blue turbanator for what issue Sir, any clarifications ?
When safe passage of terrorists,is assured by PM himself and his panel,what is the need of any lame ducks as home minister or defence minister for UPA ?
They are using it for good italian usage. ?
: ) : ), good one.!!!!
Well coal calling others black ? Sir, was any ministry of Congress ruled states any better being a single party in rule ? If your memory has not failed it was NDA which brought the legislation on the size of the ministry in state as well as central governance as other wise we would have another record of sort by UPA, not only criminals even prostitutes would be in ministry for womens welfare ?
Political uncertainty of UP is the worst form of fragmented polity in UP,thanks to Congress with its rule of divisive politics.That people have ignored Congress in UP because of its own follies is need not be overlooked ?
In the debating forum, some views are liked while some are not to liking of some, for their own reasons and perceptions, but have you seen me soliciting support ?
Further human nature is to seek what is liked to be sought for,to see what is liked by that person, not necessarily good, so absolute stands are not necessarily liked or supported as they may lead to absolute change in lives.Please do give some time for this to think,ponder over, please.
Vote for Congress, congress ka haath, aam admi ke saath, loot loot kar kiya nanga, ab bari jan ki loot. !!!!
All those in MB must be aware now that Shahabuddin is convicted, an MP, bahubali, goon , of RJD party. Let us see if you condemn this criminal who has ruled the goodaraj for lalu Prasad,another Chara chor, or his party with the same enthusiasm you have had for Katara and his party BJP. Notable is Katara was suspended from the party the minute he was arrested, this is not the case in Shahabuddin, who is in jail for well over a year.
As every citizen knows, if he is in service, private or public office, if he is arrested and in custody for over 48 hours, he looses his job.Does this happen to any MP other than those in BJP ? Sidhu resigned from parliament, surrendered to court, only after permission from courts he contested again. Any such examples from any other political outfit ?
Calling some one ignorant, kiddish and running down some one with bulldozing just because he is not to your liking is fascist,hard method of suppression.
Maran may deride me but have I attacked him personally ?
Has flash ever supported katara in any of his posts ? Why this intolerent attitude ?
It is not typical of hindu way, but hinduthva. What would you say ?
nation tolerating the shadow of congress with sonia and her sycophants, is bigger tragedy.
Every faith has exploiters likes of divine retreat, kerala, sufi shrines with their mutaliks earning crores of laundered money. Clergy is the curse of any faith when they misinterpret the script for selfish greed.God does not need agents to reach him unlike ministers.
And after the act, the mufti with his daughter ,Rubiya,in saudi married off, is with congress pleading for safe passage for terrorists, more of them, so that more votes can be secured on the dead bodies of soldiers. accepted by panel of PMO. !!!!
Well if you are so enthusiastic to brand the entire party for one or two blacksheep, here is an offer to you. -
With Lalu and his chara gotala, would you brand his entire RJD of chori ? With Shahbuddin convicted of kidnap and murder, RJD is of murderers party ?
With loot of 64 crore of kickbacks in bofors ably helped by Sonia, would all the Congress be of the looters private limited ? With Sushil Sharma convicted of murder and tandoor of his wife , the Congress is of tandoor burners ? Oil scam of 4 million coupons for Congress and 3 million for natwar, all in Congress are looters ?
With cadres in West bengal indulging in brutal killings and rape of villagers in Singur and nandigram, is CPM of murderers party ?
Would you please respond to this as would it be very interesting provided this response is not censored. ?
Rated as very interesting,what about the act of safe passage for terrorists for votes, troop withdrawal in Kashmir on the dead bodies of soldiers, very interesting isn't it for Congress which may have to go for hibernation to italy. ?
With safe passage to terrorists now even this possible with the blessings of Congress.It is ridiculous that MB is suppressing the response on selective basis to bash the BJP as it may be siding seculaists.?
When it was first pointed out in the print media that immigration authorities have sent an official letter to Loksabha speaker, the response to that letter or contents of that letter remained away from any exclusive report of all the news channels, even sting operators who love to hate BJP did not take the bait to have exclusive stings, where, they in their stings would have had the pleasure of exposing all the 14 MPs like in the 11 MPs cash for query scam ?
Why do you take my response as support to Flash, and not as viewpoint in response to your post ?
Moderator, where is my response posted ? Any way, BJP does not hate muslims, it is a canard spread by "secular" parties, yes, BJP can not tolerate any more of the traitors in the nation, irrespective of their faith.If BJP was so hateful, it is incredible when seen in the light of 9 percent liberal muslims voting for BJP.
My dear one even though this forum is not the place or demands occassion to go in to psychology sessions, simple fact of life is the society is made up of good and bad natured people, some join different political outfits to further their material ambitions, some join for the sheer joy of being there with power, a society which has good and bad in it is reflected in the polity also.But for a few bad elements if you seek to paint entire canvass black it is your choice, and compare your work with other parties in the polity then you will realise what is your act and the effect of such act.But again as citizens if we can not distinguish the ills in our own surroundings and wish to see only the bad, it is by choice. Tell me of the parties have you not seen the exploitation of the so called union leaders of their comrades in the union,or the parties tactics of use and throw in the polity ? Not that all in BJP are paragans of virtues, but the records of atalji, or Advani or modi speaks of their work for them, just as the good work is seen so also the appreciation of good work, my only request to you is see for yourself the sycophancy of a claim of party which claims to be 116 year old and has to depend on one family for its very existence. The same party held all the freedom struggles, sacrifices, now do you see even a fraction of concern for the common man as it rules the nation,with partial appeasements to one section and denial of good to others in the same nation. ? Now it proposes with its panel on Kashmir to give safe passage to militents,withdrawal of troops, to facilitate peace (?) just for the sake of few muslim votes, it is throwing safety and sacrifice of its soldiers to winds.What do you expect when you see the blue turbanantor who is supposed to be honest, chooses a rented house in Assam, to enter the back door to rajyasabha ? This person, like advani was also born in pakistan, but chooses to be pakistani in india for a few votes for congress ?
my dear one, duty is to be good in rule of law, without favour or fear to any caste, faith or religion, impartial delivery of good governance to all in the nation, not favouring one section od citizens because of their caste or religion. ?Have you seen that in the last sixty years of free india ?
Hey, hejab, what happened in Kashmir in the last sixty years when the persons there killed those who are not of their faith, chased them out because they are in less numbers ? What happens when islamic riots and terror attacks are supported by some miniscule in islam by sheltoring them, supportin them to bomb, then giving them logistic support and even advocates rushing to shield them because of huge dollars in payment ? As citizens in India why should those in islam get extra favours which are not available to others in the same nation because they are not muslims ? Jamia gets forty crores of the money of all hindus and other citizens,for the naming of a building with hindu name of Arjun Singh, why not any other education institute ?
Andhra and Congress victory is to be seen in the backdrop of understanding with cadres of naxals who worked for them, now with no benefits being extended, the same Congress is having death treats to contend with very much like Naidu.BJP and its opposition to separate telangana state saw its down fall with naidu for the act.
As to Gujarath, Congress efforts to spread assisted proagation of christianity in tribals to increase its numerical strength may benefit marginally, but again if the governance of modi if has delivered good to tribals, the good will overcome this religious opportunism.Congress with no grass root cadres to work for the good of citizens replacing the sevadal with hired daily wagers for slogan shouting, has no chance of revival unless it builds its cadres to serve the nation rather than false promises of elimination of poverty while siphoning off funds in to its leaders accounts using the siphoned funds at election time to finance the slogan shouters and liquor and arrange crowds for the queens reception at the venues.
Caste system was the sad creation of rulers of the kingdoms with the intellectuals helping them for the perpetration of the rule of powerful oppressing the poor with religion and scriptures, later the same rulers in democracy are now using the same caste system to oppress the sections of divided polity where democracy is equal rights for all in society, this is being subverted to favour a few in society for their castes and religions like the islam and christianity, where even in these religions love and compassion is the preached goal of life.For Christ the shephard of all, all are sheep to show the salvation, for tenets in islam, love and compassion is the ay of life, but in practise it is way to kill kafirs as they see the kafirs in society of anyone who do not obey their fathwas. ? Rule of law of the society has nothing or no role in governance of good to all citizens.
True, Congress did not do any scandals and scams, but all those in Congress did help loot of 64 crores to uncle Q and his neice.All those in Congress did help kill 3400 sikhs when the riots were ordered by the then chosen one of Congress the great rajiv of immaculate conception, who does not mention his fathers' name as Pheroz Shah, adopted son of mahatma. Congress did not sponsor terrorists in Punjab, but Indira created the great Bhindranwale to embarass the elected government of Akalidal,to dismiss, it, helped the likes of KPS Gill to terrorise and kill over 10,000 sikhs by branding them as terrorists and fake encounters to take off with their possession of fertile lands.Congress did not have any scams but its PM paid 133 crores for non delivery of urea to himself ? Snam Progeti plants of fertilser plants in India were all commisssioned by uncle Q and Congress did not take a single paise kick back, all taken by those in the party only. ? When permit, license and quotas were the rule of Congress, no party like Congress can take the kickbacks, all were taken by the men in Congress ? Oil slick in which 4 million dollar worth coupons were given to Congress and 3 million to natwar associates, Congress did not take them only those in Congress took them ?
I draw kind attention of Madurai maran and Mr, nariman, in case you have missed this post and answer to connivance of CPM and emergency.
Well citizens have seen the green frames of Arjun Singh and Manmohan Singh for the appeasements, red frames of Buddhadev and his cadres, but can we not see the peace in white frame of the nation in harmonious life of the nation with wheel signifying the progress of the nation ?
Why should the citizens forgo the progress and peace by dividing themselves on caste and faith and rule of law gets subverted in society with divided polity, that is the stark fact in the nation, criminals all, those caught are labelled those escaping will go on with loot, with divided polity irrespective of the party all are talking about.
My dear one, I do vote, not to the party,but to the candidate in my region, whom I feel that is of good morals and ethics, if I do not find such one, I have preferred to vote to reject under the law, all candidates, this I have done facing the smug faces of electoral officer. !! But to keep away from franchise is big crime for a citizen. You can use the right not to vote by going to the booth, and ask for registration of no Vote, under section 51 (O).
My dear one, at the outset, my sincere and heartfelt apologies for my criticism as you feel it,, it is not my intention to hurt you or anyone in the debating forum for their right to expression and also it is not correct to brand me as BJp supporter, I am hindu by birth, I have no caste as I have no respect for the cast system of hindthva, which is the result of few selfish for their supremacy indulged in this divisive act to foist as leaders of their ilk,caste for any human is not there when he is born in society, nor the faith. To be a hindu, it is later as the human growns in society that he is molded to be a muslim, or caste hindu or islamic in his way of life.But above all they are all children of this mother India, for mother India, these different faiths only put them in one group or sect to be in that group to aspire to be in powerful sect to be in material life, many a time leading that group to oppress others in society in their democratic life.
As to my stand, if the thoughts generated by any mind if they are good for the society, they get support, acceptance or otherwise inspite of efforts of all the groups which oppose good thoughts, the thoughts will survive if not the human. For me, the support of any one in the board is not for me, but if my thoughts are for good for the society, the support will automatically be therefor those thoughts. And as to right to criticise I do not criticise the person as it is not ethical for me to do so, but his thoughts which tend to be disruptive of the society in democratic life, for me independence in life to be harmless to others is more than the the right to be independent itself, as to be good in society, I have to strive to be good to all and not hurt them in body, mind or soul. Some take the right to hurt others as their right, it is not acceptable, so I only point it out that it is not correct way of hindu way of life, as mahatma said, non-violent tolerence of violence is incorrect, where it is non violence is the answer, to way of life, and is met by violence, non-vilence can not solve the violence in rule of laws.Please do forgive me for my thoughts if they have hurt you, good be with you.
Now that RJD MP Shahabuddin is convicted of murder and kidnapping let us see how many channels will have the guts to persecute the RJD like they did of BJP for the issue of Navjoth Singh Sidhu. Day in and day out, We the People debated it, faced the nation and then repeat show of the anchors going gaga with the saga of Sidhu and new coinage of words Road rage. !
The same media with the defrozen money of 21 crore to uncle Q had no hot debate with the people nor did the nation face aby of it ? Congress was not hounded like it is doing now with BJP. Petro coupons oil slick of Congress was no issue but natwar taking off with 3 million was big issue and again Congress with its 4 million slick was not on any debate ?
Shibu Soren with conviction for murder, enjoying himself in medical care in five star luxury of hospital is not an issue of his party being divine,for the media, Mayas' mayajal started but ended equally abrupt when the journos were soundly thrashed, so much for thival journalism with courage. ?
Sycophancy in journalism works for the good of the nation as so called award winners and iconic journos (?) indulge in these gimmicks the nation and its citizens realise the presence of clean journalism and its importance for democracy.
When nandigram and Singur faced the atrocities of cadres of left CPM media had soft option of nice "sweet talk" but did it go for the criminal politics of it ? Simple, even journos have fear for goons, they can call all hinduthvawadis as goons but they dare not talk of cadres as the retaliation is swift and accurate. !!!!
Sir, can you furnish names of any one or few of the prostitutes that are in this racket ? Is this not deliberate misinformation in the guise of debate ? Ofcourse if you have the names of Jayanthi, Renuka or Ambika I do see the lights in the dark tunnel, as they all have big contribution during younger days of Rajiv and Sanjay ?
My dear one, how can you be so fascist in your criticism of Mr. Flash ? Is it because he delves in to hindu way of life from his perspective ? Hindu way of life is one of tolerence but that does not mean that ills and injustice has to be tolerated, none of us have defended any criminal be it katra or Afjal, that is the issue, criminals are there in society, irrespective of their faith they are criminals, but issue that i have seen is that of bashing BJP for few kataras, and not any other criminals of Congress or any other party ? Let us atleast be fair to a party which has tried its best to unite the divided hindus who have become so sluggish as to praise the italian as most powerfulone in 100 powerful in the world, and reviver of Congress, when all that she has done is loot and help to her uncle Q.
Sir, even at the cost of getting framed, let us share something which nation should know, the eve of emergency proclamation, the meeting of cabinet was attended by the special invitees of left front, except for CPM all other partners in left front opposed the imposition of emergency,CPM connived with Congress for the imposition of emergency, let the right to information act be used for unravelling the minutes of this meeting, and all would know the reply, just like in nethaji and his role in freedom struggle, the papers would not be available ? Our IAS lobby is well entrenched in saving the masters in politics, Sir, it is not easy with Official secrets act being applied to save the criminals in democracy like India, even in advance nations no document is secret after expiry of 30 years in that file.!!!! Our media can lay hands on the just submitted reports of the governance, "exclusive" copies with electronic channels but when it comes to saving the criminals media is also equally callous to the duty to democracy. ?Did you observe the exclusive confession of the master kingpin, Rashid, with media, which not even is submitted to courts as yet. ? Once submitted to court it is correct that such submissions are open to public, but even before ? Is this not doctored prepared submission of a confession, would any one clarify the role of police, would they "leak" medical reports of Periera the killer driver drunken one at that like this ?
My dear one, a party which has no courtesy for its own PMs of the past such as Lal Bahadur Shastri, GuljariLal Nanda, PV Narasimha Rao,just because they are not from one dynasty, does not even mention their names in the web site, and show cases the names of Motilal, Jawaharlal, Indira ( but not her husband, Pheroz Shah, adopted son Of mahatma) and her son, rajiv and their bahu, In India, Sonia and her progeny, Priyanka "gandhi" and Rhaul "gandhi", products of immaculate conceptions without names of their grand father, Pheroz what can you expect of humans who have no respect for their own parents ?
Sir, it is for the citizens to unite and vote in democracy, inspite of media going hammer and tongs for modi all that happened was the lost credibilty of media who were sycophantic in defending the "rights" of one section of the society for the "faith", repeated shows of carnage of riots only reminded the voters of reason for that carnage, when majority of muslims themselves sidelined the media and the NGOs of muslims of their dollars, it is indeed a reflection as to how a section of media is so biased against the majority of citizens in doling out favours to a party which keeps them happy by doling out PSU ads.
Even in state elections like UP if one looks at the media role, it can be said without any hesitation, media has taken sides with the a party for their vested interests and helped to divide the polity further, thus majority of voters are divided lot, with each caste playing up its strongman in the game of elections. I draw your attention to an article by Inder malhotra, "Will of 25 percent of People " in Indian Express of today, where in he laments these MPs, do they really represent the majority opinion of the nation with divided fragmented polity ? With voting percentage at around 50 percent, with caste and faith divisions winning candidate may not even represent the 15 percent of the citizens. !
If Congress has to be useful in the nation, first it has to chuck out the divisive gimmicks of reservations, faith based dole outs, good governance should reflect the good of governance reaching ALL in society without fear or favour to anyone section of the society, be it a caste or a faith. That is the only way it can do a positive governance, when it is not done, majority of the citizens after going thru the humiliation of neglect over the years of divided delivery, that too partial, vitiated by corruption only thrives to vote those whom they percieve as the impartial ones. No surprises in any state, if the governance has been good, anti-incumbancy is the word coined by pollsters to placate the bad governance.
The various response in this topic itself is a sad reflection of how people are divided lot even in condemning the criminal act with relativity of his being muslim or hindu and all, an extortionist, with another, one hindu another muslim are in criminal acts of extorting money from merchants and traders of a commodity, these criminals would have royally escaped the long hands of law and able "criminal"lawyers any punishment, but that only again reflects the callous attitude of all in condemning the police for every ill, whereas all parties have their fair share of criminals in all the parties, the game is to blame the party, but not the criminals. ? And funnily, if once in a while you find a CM who is impartial in his administration, has handled with tough measures the rioters, be in any faith, hindu or muslim, immediate reaction of the media is to highlight the faith, as if only one faith and its people are targetted, criminals are there in all faiths, hindu or muslim or christians, why this bias in attitude to crime ?
Very correct, it has become fashionable for the female anchors in media to weep and sob with terrorists for their rights, as with hindu names they know that tolerent hindu society does not mind their having fun with circumcised penis,in private, slack laws make it easy for criminals in Islam to escape easily as votes have got to be treasured.Channels with sensation, and debate make it good for trp with 60 crores watching competetive channels excel in partial coverage of riots, terrorism and ofcourse the lure of dollars is much greater than truth and ethic of journalism.
How can anybody loose faith in police, politicians and bureaucracy or judiciary or to that matter even media, faith is hope, that some day all this will work for "ME" in making me safe, making me rich, making me politician etc, hope is only thing in life to live with faith. Some are there to betray faith, that is aprt of the life, in friendship, in politics, in careers, wvery walk of life there are some who make you loose faith but many are there to reinforce faith.
For a sharp shooter Sohrabuddin killed , for don of dawood Ibrahim, there are Maj General Karim,Retd, who served army with distinction, there is IG retd, Nijamuddin, IPS, in Karnataka, who are role models of reinforcing hope in citizens to reinforce that if you are a criminal be it muslim or hindu law will catch you inspite of slack rule of laws. !!!!
The instances where the criminals parade in public with hindu names resort to muslim names when caught is the warning signal for citizens of this malady of NGOs who rush to save the criminals if they are of one faith, with saudi riyals and dollars as lawyers also rush to have those dollars ?
Absolutely not Sir, he is arrested, let the prosecution begin at the earliest, not only of this man but of all the accused in this criminal act, but the trend of talking of only this person and not giving any headlines to other five MPs who are already exposed is the reason for my quote, who are not even ready to "co-operate " with the investigation.
Please do not worry, citizens have rejected earlier efforts of framing the modi image by "award winning journalists" and that of blacksheep who call themselves as journalists for being sycophants,showing the stale footage of riots day in and out, but not showing the godhra carnage more than once,debating the victims rights and rioters rewards but not talking of impartial handling by the state of rioters by bullets than rewards of MLA and MP posts. ? Such channels and the anchors have lost all respect and credibilty being the media.
Divided polity with caste, faith and region, no idealogy other than survival of the fittest, dirtiest will survive.After the elections, again the game of cobbling together for mutual advantage is the coalition politics, so that the will of majority is subverted to appease few castes and faiths and even those who voted (as low as 54 %) will not venture out, fuedal lords want exactly that.EC which preaches of free and fair elections is limited with the moles in it.
If at all, the BOX will be opened by brave journalists which is declining breed in todays life.!!!!
With the type of UPA and its speaker I do not see much chance from the politicians doing any favour to the nation as almost all in political spectrum are in the game.!!!!
Speaker of Loksabha once elected is above party politics and is neutral for the parties, he will see only national interest, but have seen that in any of the speakers of any party ?
"Let the person who has not committed any sin cast the first stone" said Christ,"to this woman",who was allegedly a whore. !!!!!
How is it that the details of Rashid, who co-ordinated with all the MPs, MLAs is still missing from public & media gaze, in hyderabad, his office is open, Cloud 9 Travels,he is "absconding " must be in his cloud 9 ?
Simple arithmatic Sir, the divided polity with fragmented votes to choose from the candidates of fuedal lords as their MPs, now have all regional satraps, aspirants of the power, as ministers and do-gooders to their castes.Be it NDA or UPA, these fuedal lords will be in power to further their individual agendas of favouring their castes and regions, at the cost of the others in society, national good is not for them. So we have one front of Congress another of BJP and the fence sitters will be in third front, with leaders of left,seculaism is for the use of sects to be in power not good governance to all citizens in society. ?
I have full agreement with you in totality,law of the land applies to each of the citizens without concessions for anyone,but the other MPs, named ones are free. ? There are many more in the official letter to speaker who are still free. ? The racket according to my friends in investigation started as early as 1993,and many MPs from different spectrum of political parties had made fast bucks in this illegal act.The fact of the matter is many indians particularly from Punjab and hyderabad presidencies go abroad as illegal immigrents, get married, but can't take their spouses, hence resort to this illegal method with the connivance of bureaucrats and politicians, now the effort is cover the matter with tight lid after availing political mileage.
If some persons are having criminal credentials, then the party itself is criminal as per your thought process, if so, then how about the tandoor burning of his wife by sathish Sharma of youth Congress leader, or to that matter drunken brawl of manu Sharma for a drink, killing of jessica,Manu being the son of a minister, Vinode sharma, son of Shankar dayal Sharma ? Or Sonia who benefitted by oil coupons of 4 million us dollars, 31 crorws for her uncle Q in bofors deal ? If criminals are the criteria then Congress has best lawyers who defend the criminals get rewarded for their work.Any take on this ?
Sir, destruction of any political outfit has not benefitted the society, even banned SIMI will resurface in some other name, need is change in mindset of all the citizens to see the good of democratic life and respect in the rule of law,tolerence to dissent in democratic life, patience to be in tune with quick judicial process as reformative in democratic life.Any sort of ban will only give rise to another form of frankenstein in society .Efforts to change the mindset to accept the democratic rule instead of fuedal rule in the guise of democracy is the issue in our nation.
Sir, sending letters begging for support to only muslims is very secular act ? Attacking the judiciary if not favourably disposed to lopsided favouritism of Congress is very democratic act ?
Rantings about its dynastic acts of saving the dilapidated building by opening the locked gates, installing idols inside the dilapidated building, dividing the nation for premiership all are very secular acts of Congress ?
social carpentry ?
Very well said, Sir, if only reservation is made of FUNDS to keep the upkeep of all the schools in villages with good teachers and with roof and buildings in good condition,IMPART EDUCATION TO ALL IN NATION, then good of democracy with good rule of laws will reach all in society without favour to any castes or faiths, all will get benefit of good of democratic rule thus having no inferiority complex of being favoured, all can have the self respect and confidence to face the challenges in life.The very system of reservation is a favour where all MPs and MLAs swear that they will act without fear or favour, they are partial in delivery of good to all in society.
If every one and majority of them are not getting the benefit it is bad governance of the rule of laws.
Reservation is not by quotas, reservation of funds to keep the schools in villages for good education at primary level onwards to graduation level, keeping in place good teachers in all the schools,so that each in society gets the benefit of good education, making him confident of being good in society, then inferiority complex will give way for self respect and confidence to face the challenge in life.The bad conditions of schools in villages with no roof, no teachers will not give any benefit to the student even by reservation as drop out rate of such in higher education is quite high inspite of entry with lesser marks by reservation. Democracy in its true sense is rule of laws, deliver benefit to all in nation irrespective of their caste and religion without favour to any one.
Fascist methodology followed by goebbels ? Next few hundred times we can expect this post of yours rated by yourself as interesting ?
Sir, should you always use this typical language of your appreciation ? Is this debate or your stand for maran also can be rated in this category of appreciation ? Please, if you do not agree you can be better off than your licking habits ?
True, a good democratic rule thrives when dissent is respected and heard , good of rule of law is not selective to any one section of citizens on their faith or caste.Good rule of law has no different yardsticks for the citizens in the nation for their different faiths and castes or their status as rich and poor.
Fascist organisation ? this label is now sole proprietory right of CPM cadres in west bengal, have hijacked totally, with crude bombs, rapes and shooting of poor and downtrodden, their own support base. !!!!
My dear one, none need support for the thoughts to be explained in the MB except that of the channel and its moderator, in this MB.If the thoughts are acceptable, they generate the discusssions on these thoughts, if not there are many who will shoot it down with "offensive " label. ? But good thoughts have a way of finding the way to surface in this age of information technology along with offensive thoughts as well, it is for us citizens to ponder over these thoughts, use them in our life.That is the reason enough for us to discuss and debate without indulging in names calling like many of us do ? Take the instance of mr. nariman, we may not agree on many issues but we respect each other in our talks and our exchanges, it is evident in our responses. ? Once we realise that we are not permanent as the thoughts are ,better sense of exchange will prevail. Till then grin and bear it is a conscious policy decision.
Fascism is seen in rating this message as interesting one, by yourself,own use. ?
Exactly, good diagnosis, my friend,intolerence in democracy for dissent is the one aspect which weakens any good rule of law.
Delhi police claim that they have enough evidence to nail all the MPs in the illegal act, why not take custody of other MPs also, different yardsticks for different party MPs. ? worst still, the probe does not cover other names that have mentioned in letter to the speaker by authorised government agency ?
His 'ISM' is of comrade leaders living off the comrade workers hard money in subscriptions. !!!!
Self styled jihaadis are faster with secular help ?
They have learnt a lot from the babus, MPs just sign their presence and go for their picnics. !!!
Oh, Oh, you have names all across the polity except Congress, forgot the Manu Sharma who killed Jessica lal, son of minister Ninode Sharma, related to Shankar dayal Sharma, ? Sushil Sharma burnt his wife in tandoor, was big wig of Youth Congress at 39 years of age,to that matter Jagadish Tytler, Sajjan Kumar tak, and many more who allegedly proved loyalty to dynasty by massacre of sikhs in 1984.And by the way, Mufti Sayeed, for his daughters' release,who is now with Congress in Kashmir was the brain behind release of the terrorists, now ably supported by Congress withdrawing troops from kashmir. !
Well said, thank you for the excellent intelligent stand.Hypocracy of left is that they run with hares, hunt with the hounds.
But your response shows the intolerence of hindu ?
And Communist are not communal when they do the favour of settling Bangaldeshi islamists in their states for their votes ? Congress is not communal when they fudge the report of minority favouritism and appeasements , let the governance be to all citizens, with out favour to any sections of citizens on their faith and caste, then it is good governance, ignoring major sections of citizens to favour a few on the basis of religion, be it islam or any other faith, it is communal governance, unacceptable in democratic governance.
When laws of the land are subverted to foist rioters on the nation, appeasing the rioters to be in mainstream with withdrawals of the troops to encourage infiltration, rewards to rioters in terms of MLAs and MPs will make such pogroms a necessity for other peaceloving citizens,when rioters were treated without fear or favour and given wkat deserved to be given, - bullets , irrespective whether they belonged to any faith, islam or hindu,people like you find it wrong ? It means that being muslims a miniscule in them can be traitors, rioters to the nation for their faith. ?
politics is the game of scoundrels they said, and cricket is game of gentlemen,when gentlemen in other cricket teams retire when they have achieved what set in for, and feel that they are no more fit physically and mentally for the game,the gentlemen likes of Lara, Glenn, Stewe Waugh retire when still they had so much in them, but look at our great gentlemen, Sachin, Saurav and rahul, it is not about age, they have no fitness for the game, physical or mental aspects of it, but still hang on, just like them we have in indian politics, Sachin and saurav, Advani and Atalji, living on past performances.!
Very truthful facts for consideration of all secular citizens, psuedo seculars please do not even read this post. !!!!!!
Worst still, the surname Gandhi is used as capital investment to harvets profit, as it was gandhiji, who accepted muslim community to stay back in India as loving brothers in harmonious co-existence.It is different matter that Nehrus' Congress, later used the muslim community as stick to beat anyone who opposed his autocratic style by instilling fear of hindus in muslims.
Now that Rahul baba is begging for islamic politics as concept to beg votes, his mother addressing letters to only muslim voters you will have the pleasure of concept of islamic nation with christian rule with italian mafia style and venezuelan drug cartel.
UPA and its king in waiting is doing the great service by pulling out troops from border states, retaining IMDT act to retain the islamic voters to increase the vote count of the national entity,encouraging all terrorists for the vote potential thus making average islamist who is loyal and good citizen of india also to help and assist, sheltor and engineer bombing of all.All muslims are not terrorists, but terorists are muslims and UPA is trying its best to give loans, assistance and logistics to breed antisocial rioters in India for their vote potential. ?
While talking of concepts of religions being in politics lat us not forget the role of political concept of islam which was effectively used for dividing the free india on the concept of islamic nation of pakistan, it may also be noted hindus were tolerent enough to listen to its leaders to tolerate islam in divided Indian nation, gave them rights to live harmoniously with hindus in the nation that was sovereign secular democratic india.Whereas political concept of islam as used by its leaders and others, is to make the life that of pain and sorrows, by driving out others who are not followers of islam from their homes out of Kashmir,making them refugees in their own nation. Again concept of hinduism in politics is that of giving refuge to helpless and hapless victims of bangladesh when they were deprived of their right to live, were treated as guests in India, indian citizens paying cess for their islamic brothers when in India,but left parties used the very same islam politics to give them citizenship even after the nation, bangladesh was born, gave them ration cards and voters IDs to come into power with islmic politics,so much for party idealogies of theocratic status. !Even today with their masters in Congress, IMDT Act, is supported by the left to retain their vote banks of islamic politics,even when supreme court rules it as bad in law,and so left reflects the love for the nation with their tails wagging for china and Russia.?
What a dream for a person living in free India, in democratic life, why, so that you can impose crusaders that have crept in congress now as leeches on indian citizens ?Please remember, free India has seen all types of religious rulers and their barbaric rule, be it in islam in most part of India or that of christianity in Goa, with portughese hanging non followers on mango trees.Can you name any hindu ruler for his cruelty in governance ?
Your response evoked an occurance mentioned in Bhagawatha and Mahabharatha epics, being the history of that time, that after the maha sangram at Kurukshetra the heirs of Yudhistira ruled Hastinavathi, now, New Delhi, Yadavs ruled with them, rest of central and southern India, so powerful, that power corrupted the rulers so badly that they spent most of the time in wine, women and splendour of wealth ignoring the governance, none could beat them in any wars because of strength of their armies,but later they became so arrogant that in the influence of wine they killed each other with sea-weeds in the shores of Saurashtra,thier capital Dwaraka submerged because of the sins of the rulers. !!!!
political compulsion is such that all permutations and combinations is made possible for the power to to be in the seat of power. !!!
In any religion it its early life, those who know tenets of that faith, interepret them for followers, often misinterpret them are the brahmins, just like you have in islam, the mullas, maulavis fathwa wielding, the purpose will be understood later in life, destruction of peace and harmony, dis-credit to any faith. !!!!! True meaning of brahman is one who is learned, uses the knowledge for the good of the society.
Sir, ask MPs can not do, they can leave their practise of law to be MPs after the defence in bofors case,they can be best sycophants for the dynasty inspite of good education and good credentials, they can loose their self respect, respectabilty for the sycophancy.They love to be slaves in democratic life. !!!!
India has seen the colours of sacrifice in multi-colour, my friend, sycophants sacrifice with the sobbings of imagined sacrifices, the forced sacrifices of their leaders after their heinous crimes of abetting terrorism, genocides and then getting blasted off for sympathy votes, sacrificing their Khaddar topies at the feet of a whiteskinned rat, a sacrifice is to be expected now at the time of general elections for sympaty votes again, but the previous sacrifice did not yield the expected monarchy. !!!!
True colours of politicians in public life is not even known to them, Sir, because chameleons change colour to the need of the surroundings, sampnath and nagnath can join, so also sewerage water with drinking water, if it is the need it will be done.? The coalition of UPA, post poll, with sympathisers of LTTE, the killers of Rajiv is acceptable so why not co-habit with incompatible ? Chara-chor can have rule with clean honest italians kick backs so why not, any combination is possible.
Why not, surely the Congress which engineered the genocide of more deaths in Punjab, then in Delhi,should also be charged with the same crime, then it will be justified that rule of law is prevailed.Quite a few bureaucrats in Punjab who took sides to settle their personal score with Congress in the guise of control of terrorism should also be under the scanner.
They say, coming events cast their shadows,In a way, BSP is the reflection of things to come in future of India with democracy, as the castes are forgotten to be in rule, a day will be there in future when caste and faiths will have no relevance for democratic good rule of law to rule the citizens. same is the combination of BJP and SP, as the castes differences give way for good rule, the democratic good rule of law will be without discrimination on the basis of caste and faith.
In slavery of indian natives we had fuedal lords implementing fuedal rules on their subjects,even in british rule and before that mogul rule, it was fuedal rule of the local strong men with allegience to the rulers the fuedal lords dictated terms, in democratic India, hope was for good governance,but these very fuedal lords like Arjun Singh some how got in to governance, minions in governance who are now ministers are dictating terms to deliver the good of democratic rule to selectice castes and faiths for sheer vote gains discriminating others in society for the detriment of rule of law.
in democracy each of the citizen contributes to national exchequer by direct and indirect taxes, having elected to be democratically ruled, it is sad that the fuedal lords likes of Anbumani and Karunanidhi lord over the funds to favour their castes only discriminating others in the society.In democracy all have to be in good of the freedom and no favour can be extended to anyone discriminating others in the society. 69 percent being favoured depriving the 31 percent in society is the crime for which the criminal is blessed by the society to live longer than his grand children, which would be best blessing.
At the outset, let me dispel some assumptions and presumptions regarding my self on the forum, as when I share my thougths, some may feel that i am supporter of BJP, which I am not, some may feel that I hate Congress, which again is incorrest as my most formative childhood flowered under the shadows of freedom struggle in Congress,some may feel that I dislike the idea of unity of working class with communism, let me assure them as young athiest in my days I enjoyed the best of communism as equity and jsutice to all working class and the violence that it had inbuilt became repulsive for me but not the principles in the ism.Some may get annoyed at my thoughts appreciating the great thoughts of Dr. bhima rao Ambedkar who was champion for the voices of down trodden for no fault of theirs except their birth.I am hindu, proud to be in Hindustan, my nation, but the pity of all of it is the free India which has had a share of fuedal rule,even in free India. After years of rule of kingdoms and fuedal lords rule, the fuedal lords decided the societal rules, during the invaders rule be it moghuls or british, it was the fuedal rule that ruled the society. But in free India when we chose democratic form of governance the fond wish that fuedal rule will give way to citizens rule did not see the right role of citizens even in free india.
As nation chose to be democracy, the rule of societal rule had to be the rule, as we decalred ourselves as sovereign socialist secular republic, in actual we saw the fuedal lords in our parliament and the rule fuedal lords conrinued inspite of the constitution of democracy.The practice of fuedal lords favouring their kith and kin, their caste and their faith went on unabashed, thus the free India saw the divided polity of citizens in the free india, divided over the issues of caste faith and region. My hindustan which respects all faiths and all castes gave way to fuedal lords who catered to their castes and faiths and the citizens who craved for rule of law in democracy saw the fear and favour ruling the society, secularism meant favour to a section of citizens over the faith, ignoring the divided castes .
Fuedal lords who became ministers thought that they are the kings in their ministry to lord over the autonomous institutions to put in their agendas of partial rules to favour their castes. Otherwise how can any one justfy the words of a HRD minister who is lording over these autonomous institutions to favour a section of society when it is duty of rule of law to give good governance to ALL? Is HRD minister a government, he is minion in governance of citizens, he is there because he is servant of citizens to govern the citizens of all in the nation inspite of his caste.As government is made of all of us, all of us put in our funds for governance in national exchequer, in direct and indirect taxes, it is he who can not decide the how of spending of our money, to any one section of citizens, but it should reach all citizens of the nation. If fuedal lord of a state holds the nation to ransom on his being fuedal lord of dravidians it is time to show him that he is not lord but only representative of all the people of his state, he has to take care of all in his state with outt fear or favour to any section of that society. When fuedal lords sit in parliament and they think of their state , their caste and their faith, they are doing disservice to nation by catering to only narrow section of society and not to all in society. Let us stop the blame game of finding fault in different caste, faith and stop justifying the wrongs of society for one faith or one caste by justifying the wrongs in another faith and caste. All have to take control of their destiny by being tru humans above the faith, caste and national good should rule the nation in democracy.
Exactly, why only left all parties including Congress have fair share of honest and good MPs, but your efforts have been to sideline the good in BJP and only talk of katara as if all the MPs are kacharas. ?
Like propping up Devegowda, Chandrasekhar and Gujral with outside support. ?
Like proppng up of Chandrasekhar, Devegowda and IK Gujral by Congress outside support ?
Oh, Oh, in democracy in India do you have the courage to call Owaisi a terrorist, who terrorises his muslim followers with mullas fathwas ? In his goon engg college students of rich muslim can shoot with guns and it is not terrorisim ?
My dear one,Hindu way of life accepts all faith, be it sikh, buddhism, jainism, islam or christianity, even athiests are not looked down.In the circumstances all those who live in Hindustan are hindus in their way of life, issue comes when the abrahamic faiths want their numerical strength to increase by fair and foul means to gain control and impose their narrow "ism" on citizens,hindu way of life accepts all roads to ultimate bliss in life by the chosen path of individuals,whereas some religions believe, profess, that only their religion is the only way to salvation and impose that on others by any means, that is where governance tends to fail as governance needs no religion in delivery of good governance irrespective of faith and religion and caste.
Or to that matter MPs like Sonia ?
You are substantially right in your averrments,also, media is expected to be impartial in its reportage as to inform what has happened in any event, but the trend is to give their views rather than news depending on their loyalties to the political parties than the national good.Also trend is in media to get identified with the political parties and be the mouth piece of that political party in the reportage of news, with the result partial truth,many times twisted truth is reported and the very credibilty of the media is doubted in its reportage, particularly the electronic media.Except for a few channels all have become torch bearers of dynasty for that party is known to arm twist the media, print or electronic with quota in giving out ads of PSUs and departments to only those who are amenable to the dynastic rule.Other parties have not yet learned tricks of arm twisting in subtle form as yet. !
Truely glabalised political outfit with italian mother of India, son with venezuelan live in, great. !!!!!
With venezuelan girl friend in live-in and progeny to rule the nation. ?
Let laws and action in law be same to all MPs, some are just asked to "co-operate" some are not even named as yet of the 14 names with the speaker.!!!!!!!
Very positive thoughts indeed, but the issue of employment is dogged by quotas and reservations, SEZs have become fertile grounds for exploitation of the hapless and helpless poor farmers by selling their lands at premium, purchased at abominally low prices, thus pocketting the differences in political persons kitty.The reforms of free economy with honesty and sensitivity at the grass root levels will help the entire nation, as seen in many states in the guise of IT industry development and few jobs created vast majority of population is left with unemployment, land prices have shot up 500 percent, but the real owners did not get the benefit of this. IT revolution in south, State governments in their anxiety to favour the few deprived the farmers of their legitimate rates of the lands, the very honesty of bureaucracy and politicians being under clouds, this retrograde implementation tactics have brought in more miseries and harassment to the common man, let us not overlook the human miseries in the guise of development and unemployed have to acquire new skill sets to be useful with changing demands of employers, let it not be another exploitation zones of human exploitation of sweat shops in the name of reforms and development. With so many concessions to developers in taxes, loans and lands, are we not creating unequal society where those who have connections and money can buy whatever they want, depriving those in society of their right to live freely. ?
Exactly, if unified hindus with their section strong enough to take care of just life, there is nothing wrong in another section unified for national interest,but issue here is as and when the unification of muslims is stronger they tend to impose their faith on others, that is the malady. Take the instances of kashmir, after throwing out the minority in kashmir, they long for their own state as nation, or take any muslim majority areas in nation, they loose sight of the nation with their faith only in focus, that is not democratic life, hence the opposition.Hindu majority areas do not impose their faith on others as can be seen over the last sixty years of free life,tolerence is the name of the game, but that is lacking in these faiths.
Absolutely accurate, as the democratic norms are understood and practised by each citizen, democracy flourishes, rule of law prevails and blame game will end.
By your standards that you have set for political parties Congress and left parties may have to hang themselves many more times in the nation. !!!!!
That is communist training for you, why cant you use your own words to explain your thoughts. ?
Wise words of the champion are true in every sense, we do not have statesmen in politics today, we have only fuedal lords of different castes and faiths each working at cross purpose of favouring his caste and his faith, in democracy the rule of law should prevail to give good of governance to all in society, each citizen gets the good of democratic rule without fear or favour, no caste or faith is favoured and in the process, others are discriminated, religion or faith has no place in good governance.
All parties have humans in them with human good and flaws. Whoever gives out the good in governance, all parties have enough of humans as the parties grow larger,who have human flaws to exploit the humans for their greed.
Rule of law can take care of fanatics provided the political will is prevalent as the fear of loss of vote bank is the driving force for the ills.
Please go thru my post again, that exactly is the surmise in my post also, the divided majority, divided on castes was minority in the nation, hindu votes in each caste was just about 3 to 5 percentage vote pools as against "minority" votes of 17 percent enblock. Even christian minority was bigger than single caste vote pool. ! This issue was addressed by this ram mandir issue to unifiction of scattered vote pools in to majority votes. Later focus shifted to regional satraps with the caste agenda of jats, kurmis, yadavs etc.thanks to left and its "secular" muslim approach. !
If investigators have some guts and concern for the national security many more from across the political parties will join the hall of infamy.
Your response made interesting reading, but out of context. Let me explain why of it.
This nation has seen the rule of invaders in the centuries that have passed by, the natives rightly or wrongly changed their faith with change of rulers. The moghul era saw the rise of change in faith to Islam,the natives change their faith to be closer to benefits of rule.Then came the chrstian rule in british rule of India, many natives again had a choice to change the faith to be in position of benefit by closer to rulers, by change of faith.
Now with the change of faith, these who were natives of this land had to prove their loyalty to rulers with credentials being more faithful to the faith than their own nation. Here in comes the problem. Many hindus are all over the world, some have adopted that nation of their migration, but their hindu faith is their private affair as they are citizens of that nation, and they are loyal to that nation even when their faith is in question, as atmost they protest the use of their faiths' symbols in undergarments, or misused, they do not protest to make the life of other citizens miserable, they get redressal by their peaceful strong protest. Their loyalty to adopted nation is not under question because they serve that nation being hindus also.
Look at the other side of the issue, we have natives converted to Islam, they want a separate nation on their faith, they get it, but do they go there, NO, most of them stay back, but their loyalties are divided between faith and nations. In some corner of the world a danish cartoon published raises such frenzied protests that the citizens in this nation have to face the miseries, national and public properties are destroyed,is this loyalty to nation or their faith. ? These natives who have embraced Islam, what do they achieve by destruction of their national peace by this violence for some cartoon in some corner of the world. ?
Look at the other converts of christianity, not even one family can claim that they have participated in freedom struggle, as all were in governance with british helping them in their rule, but now, all these chamchas of british are in governance for the sole reason of grabbing benefits by discrimination as in british rule, the natives converted have loyalty to their faith than the nation.pope and bishops of their faith decide for them about the national loyalty. Is this not a sad truth. ? The same natives who are born in this land treat their nation as place of life but have no loyalty to the nation they live, but to those in their faith only. How else can you explain the rule of Congress NOW with christian coterie with Sonia taking over the rule by faith than for the nation ? So, now race, here we have only one race, natives of India, in different faiths, of rulers who came to rule here, being loyal to their faith, than national good.
Now, UPA is in power with regional satraps, wait for a while these figures will change for good.The very same investigating agencies will roll out the names of other MPs in UPA after the UP elections with the ship sinking for UPA.According to sources there are enough blacksheep in other parties also, now the target is BJP.
The basic study of role of BJP, post Rajiv death will throw up important pointers as to why BJP came into prominence in the national polity.
The first and foremost reason of the prominence that gave BJP a fresh relook by voters is its approach to issues concerning the division of hindu votes into minor vote banks of castes.The efforts to unify the scattered class of caste votes of the polity in to one lot of majority votes with its religious issue of ram mandir gave it a boost to be national force.
Continued policy of appeasing sections of polity by Congress on caste, faith and discrimination in rule of law in the nation of the citizens, by Congress led to a fresh hope that BJP would be good alternate for good rule of law.
Added fuel was the corruption in defence deals running in to crores and also shielding the corrupt and the faith in rule of law that then PM VP Singh who announced that he would spare no efforts to punish the guilty raised hopes for cleaner political, public life.
But BJP with its short memory had to side step good governance in the matters of faith, judiciary abetting the crime by delaying the judgements in all the cases pending before it, raised another issue, the neglect of dalits in rule of law, fear of muslims that they would be marginalised, the issue of fuedal lords now in partnership in coalition finding that they hold the keys in any coalition, led to importance to regional satraps and their regional outfits.
With this the coalition became a rule for rule of law, fuedal lords changing sides at their convenience to be in power, both the Congress and BJP have become helpless players in democracy totally dependent on the regional satraps, democratic rule of law a mirage in the nation. Please think it over and gratefully awaiting for the responses.
Great, courtesans and hangers on in Congress can have graceful exit to Italy and Venezuela for greener pastures.
Autonomous investigating agencies being the poodles of politicians in power, the percentage can vary according to the rule of power in play.If only the investigation and prosecution is fair and according to rule of law, can we have the true picture of the percentage,that apart there is no denying that irrespective of the political parties as they grow bigger the percentage of bad in good mix seem to be on the increase.
Very correct my friend, unless citizens understand and acknowledge the rule of law is the good governance sans religion, good of good governance in democracy is the right of all irrespective of their birth in caste and faith, the discussions will be on trivials. Discrimination on any plank, be it birth , faith, and colour of the skin in the nation is trivial, condemnable.White skinned rats of foreign origin are held in esteem for the colour of the skin and equated to demigods while they loot the nation with sycophants and hangers on promises of equity and justice delivering only discrimination in rule of law.
Even at the cost of being the losers in credibilty and respect of the society.Tabloid channels, some of them, with 24 hours of cheap malfunction of titllations.
Like the non voting migrant labour of Nithari.
That advantage is solely with Congress and left, for having captured young minds in JNU and other education institutes for early brain indoctrination.
Pungent reply earlier has been censored so milder version, citizens have seen the calibre of courtesans in the dynasty of their good performance for dynasty. !!!!
And you aware Sir, that my stand always has been that good governance is without any religion in rule of law, with out fear or favour, to any faith.
Where you participant of 1984 riots which saw genocide and snide remarks on taxi drivers in India,sponsored by then rulers ?
Hindu way of life is totally different from "hinduthva" coined by media to highlight the intolerent trend in some fringe citizens when the appeasement reached its peak.Rule of law failed totally to recognise and control the fanatism in all faiths for the goodies of governance which started discrimination in governing citizens, based on faith and castes.Hindu way of life has all faiths in it living with tolerence and harmony, compassion and affection for all.Hindu way of life tolerates even non believers in the society, unlike the concept of kafirs, which again in Islam is used to punish the non-followers, in real meaning it applies to a follower of islam,who violates the tenets of islam.
Very good thoughts, sir, basically all faiths have to be treated with respect, and good governance is good of rule of law to reach all without discrimination,the policy of dividing the followers of any faith to give special benefits at the cost of others has been the practise. Even a novel programme of extending the opportunity to oppressed for developing themselves is misused after ten years to include more in that category to corner the benefits as can be seen even now.
"The distraction of hate should cease for a stronger and more resurgent India" nothing is more urgent than this ideal for India, but to term Golwalkar Ji as fascist shows the narrow mindset of the thinker, Guruji, right from the start never wanted citizens to use hate as a weapon against muslims, but integretion of all in India , but not at the cost of appeasements.The ruling party for years took all possible steps to show RSS and its leaders in bad light to create the fear of hindus in muslims. Let us be factual in the thoughts, hinduthva raised its ugly head when appeasement of muslims reached new highs with Shah bano incident of reversal of SC judgement, the hinduthva came in as hate policy with 1971 exodus of bangla muslims into India, with Kashmiri pandits living as orphans, the favour to these bangla muslims as vote banks was a sore point.
Hidden persuaders and opinion makers always juggle the figures to favour the party whom they like. !All the pollsters have been proved wrong by citizens time and again when they indulged in the game of being opinion makers.
Hidden agendas are reserved for hidden areas only.
Ram Shilanyas Trust is registered trust, documents of financial statements are public knowledge for those who want to know.
VCD thing ? these vcd things by every one in the game of politics of vote bank, let it not cloud your judgements, Sir, a wrong is a wrong whichever party does it, that apart,let us remember that all parties are made of citizens, who have human flaws, it is for us to see which has the least criminals and citizens with minimal human flaws.It is for us to corrective measures in our polity.Congress and SP and BSP all have vcd things for the vote banks.Even naxal have vcd things. !!!
Did you not see any filthy or dirty tricks when as strategy of Oscar fernandes with Tom Vadakkan make it a speech and road show to talk of dynasty as the only saviour for India ? Is it not typical of crusader talks. ? Dont you see the hijack of congress by christian coterie in Congress with sycophants just hanging on to their godmothers' apron strings ?
Sir, it is not a scandal, it is fact that VHP collected about 68 crores of funds for Ram Temple, of it about 12 crores are spent for acquiring the land around the dilapidated mosque area, (of 40 x 62 feet dimension, )an area of 37 acres is legally purchased from the willing sellers for the temple complex, now under the custody of courts, another 14 crores is spent on marble and other building materials like pillars and structures which are ready for transportation to site,with intricate skilled carvings,hindu way of life of NDA prevented the installation of temple during NDA rule which a fact many would like only to debate on communal lines.Ofcourse no denial in the fact that some palms are greasy in the process of collection of fat funds.
So mayavathi and Bahujan samaj is doing the same old thing now by inviting them.?
All in black, or accounted for, by the way pan number is there. ?
Better than being the wooden portion of the frame ?
She may have to sweep the corridors with currency first. !!!!
Lazy believe and blame fate, brave toil and make their own destiny.
Thanks for the another perspective on man and god.
when new mosques crop up in public places and new dargas find their way in open maidans, why not in old mandir on a unused masjid, rebuilt on grounds which belong to community. ? Magnanimity does not mean tolerence of nuisence.?
You are only repeating what is propagated by left and Congress, come be part of the unified society, you will know the difference.
Sheer political compulsions my dear Sir, it was absolutely wrong, good governance can not come out of partial delivery of good to any partial part and section of society.When left brought in bangaldesis, gave them sheltor, voters id, it was treason to nation, when congress did play with fire of muslim appeasement it was worse, BJP did copy some acts but paid for it, by loosing power, if it had built ram Mandir, even facilitated it, like modi, BJP would have won the majority votes, but nation would have lost secular credentials.?
Unified strong society commands reciprocation.Divided on caste and each caste a minority when it comes to confrontations.
Modi did not go against the majority opinion, but followed the majority,silent for long, to punish all the rioters irrespective of the faith, Congress always allowed the rioters to go scotfree with rewards of posts of MPs, MLAs.Psuedo secular english electronic media from the stables of left have their own agenda, it is a different matter BJP did not have enough spokersperson of similar guttaral nature to counter the psuedo seculars on equal bashing words.And as to message being rated funny, it is to be expected, because the media with psuedo credentials always makes the serious issues funny.!! As to manuwadi, it is Mayavathis favourite script none can claim mastery other than this behenji, who now wants all the "upper"castes with her when caste barriers are slowly but steadily melting in society. ?
Mayavathi is street smart survivor, when taj corridor case was haunting, UPA needed her, she needed congress,now that dalit votes are getting scattered with both the players, mayavathi and Congress, she has encashed the greed factor of the leaders of communities who till now were away from her and the party.But the divisive game in divided polity does not always work that way as expected, if only BJP was quiet without silly CDs, the follies of rahul baba and his congress along with the lack of governance will positively give better position to BJP more than all pollsters put it.
Ha, ha, very correct, the younger generation which does not hesitate to share the food with their colleugues not much bothering about the caste and faith have to take more active role in educating the leaders in all the parties but not history lessons like rahul baba.!!!
True, it is not hinduthva that is the need in democratic life, but hindu way of life, respect to all the faiths, but absolutely no place for treason and traitors whichever faith they may be followers of.In good governance the role of faith is nil.The good of governance to be delivered to all in society irrespective of caste,faith and creed or region.
It was hindu way of life that guided BJP in power in NDA rule,as otherwise it would have built the ram mandir caring two hoots for power and rule, to return back to power by its own strength with construction of ram mandir, look at rahul baba, who talks sense about dividing Pakistan, typical mafia monarch style.
Well said, here the issue is not about dalits, what started as novel policy of empowerment of the deprived is now taken over by the powerful, by labelling themselves as OTHER Backwards, the list is growing.About 245 castes and subcastes at the discretion of the rule is now in the list. ! All these are well of and are in the rule of democracy to misuse the power, worst example is of Anbumani ramadoss and dayanidhi maran.
If NDA had power as only goal then it would have gladly complied with construction of ram mandir, but the truth of the matter is BJP and NDA followed hindu way of life, accommodating the opinion of all, it did not force the issue, prevented the hurry to construct ram mandir,now if BJP had gone ahead with ram mandir then it would not loose lots of core hindu votes and also power.The shining example is of Modi, who went with majority opinion to punish the rioters with bullets not appeasements and rewards of posts of MLA and MPs.?
or make conscious efforts to change the party from inside for better practises.
Not appearing in front of any one is not the cause for denial of existence of God, God is for me nirgun, nirakar in the good of humans to be good in society, God is good of the society which controls evils in society, that is god for me in society, not the imagery of an artist who imagines the god or a sculptor who brings out an idol of his percieved god, they are the icons to concenterate the mind on good of the faith in humans for good of the society.The very fact that I am breathing is the presence of pranavayu,or Anjaneya in me, god is in me, you and every one in society, it is for us to seek and be blessed by being good in society for the good of the society. The very fact that all of us have genders as male or female is the truth that reinforces the presence of god as shakti and shiva in us to be gods' presence in us.
VP Singh like Gujral has no base in grounds, they are like the proverbial parasytes hitching on wherever life gives something to live on, VP Singh is media creation now.Atleast Gujral is decent, VP is an opportunist, who spoke of the swiss account number then, now cosying up for the delhi cremation with Sonia.
I have to agree with you, it is the rule of law in democracy with good governance that matters and religion has no role in good governance, also hindu way of life is diffewrent from hinduthva, it tolerates all faiths including "no faith".
Frustration leads to disappointment, leads to efforts to change the rules of play, leads to make others aware of the ills,then comes the beginning of end of bad rule, slowly but steadily in public life and polity.Necessity is mother of invention.
All these get their jnanodaya after they retire from the seats of power, have we not seen the retired judges talking of judiciary being percentage wise corrupt,when in post the very same judges promotre the judge who has to face the inquiry, for corrupt practises, Jce, Bhallas instance is very recent one. !!!Judges in their behaviour of holier than thou attitude have also enough blacksheep amongst them who do not mind obliging the political class with acquittals to curry favour of post retirement favours. aeareness of citizens and the fearless true apprisal leads to accountabilty of these judiciary.The fear of contempt proceedings has been the big weapon of the judiciary which leads to famous words, hollow, we respect judiciary, law will take its own course et.al; but truth of the matter is Ceasors' wife has to be good,it is not enough if Ceasor is good.The famous old adage thiefs' wife is ...... will otherwise is applicable.
Very correct, no sensible political outfit had thought on these lines in free India for well over sixty years with sole intention of keeping the vote banks and connected sections of society pampered.Bad govrnance and rank opportunism seems to be slowly getting sidelined for a better form of governance.
For centuries humans have been grappling with imaginary gods and dividing themselves on their faith, good of the society is god to the society, humans living and letting live other life to have harmonious living is godly in society.
What started as an initiative to uplift the socially marginalised class of scheduled class and scheduled tribes with 22.5 percent, for a limited period of ten years, was subverted by those in ruling powerful positions to include the OTHER backwards and rob the really deserving oppressed to suppress the benefits to them further, 27 percent OBCs are actually in society as oppressors and not the oppressed, so every caste leader preferred to tag himself as backwards and looted the national exchequer. If at all, no citizens in right thinking objects to the good governance of extending benefits to the oppressed in society, but in reality, it is the oppressors who are classifying themselves as oppressed and cornering all the benefits without even deserving it.Arjun Singh who should have taken the initiative to review the status of those benefitted in the quotas and reservations, in the last decades of initiative, is only too keen to include more into the category from the oppressors in to OBC and deny the benefuits to all sections of society who deserve it, make it fuedal system of oppressors looting the oppressed.Good governance should reflect that governance reaches all in society facilitating each in society to get the benefits of the good rule of law irrespective of caste, region, language and faiths.In reality, the talk of reservations based on faith, to prepare the grounds for the reservation by fudged surveys are all indications of creating vote banks by fragmentation of divided polity to foist the rule of the OBCs in society thus depriving large sections of the good rule of law.
Hearty congrats to chief minister of Kerala for agreement and initiation of census of citizens and their economic status and the particular direction to make it with platform being the caste so that each caste and the citizen of that caste is part of the evaluation to see the economic status of the citizens in society, to judge and evaluate whether the caste is still backward, deserves the benefits etc, creamy layer to be blocked whichever caste they are in, benefits to go to really deserving, great initiative from the thinker in left, who does not care to be politically correct.How far this will succeed is the big million dollar question.
Let us be factual, all along the growth has been not inclsiuve, in mankind.Initially it was partial to those who followed the rulers - fully growth oriented, for the subjects partial to the fancies of the powerful,later as religious ruled, the followers got the growth, non-followers the sword and miseries,the democratic rule envisages the rule of law as formulated by the majority of the rule in society subject to checks and balances of executive and judiciary to achieve all inclusive growth in the society.But a healthy democracy needs understanding between the organs of democracy, or pillars of democracy to be responsive and responsible to society, nexus is not the need which again foists the growth to the nexus and excludes all others out of reach of the growth.
Very thought provoking issues, indeed, but unfortunately, these go against the very basis of societal life. If an individual wants to be an island by himself nothing can prevent him except the needs, needs when he wants the societal structure to use,then this island also has to come to the ocean of society to live for his life, - the schooling, college, hospitals that are not his own islands when he uses he pays only a fraction of the cost, as the rest is subsidised for him by the society which cares and shares concerns of societal life. Please think it over. Logic can not make white lime water milk, logically both milk and lime water are white, that is the limitation of logical thoughts.
Quite thought provoking issues and thoughts, but logic and rational thoughts are subject to subjective analysis in societal life, only rational and logical thoughts can not satisfy the subjective life in society.As rational logical thoughts also can be very irrational and illogical thoughts if not based on subjective emotions of all subjects.
Correct, Sir, in order to get support the poor class gets organised and the leader of such class becomes the oppressor of his followers.The caste language are all used for the selfish needs to touch the goal of that individual.Have a look at LTTE, tamils who went for a better life at Sri lanka claim that they are deprived, want a separate nation, Eealam, muslims in kashmir wnat a separate nation for their faith, sustainence of such efforts is done by violence with borrowed funds and the leaders are happy lot when common man suffers all the miseries. Take the north east insurgent groups who want independence as they are mostly christians, the leaders are comfortable in hideouts of christian nations, willing to talk, the followers suffer all the miseries, the greed to be in power is foisted by violent methods and means taking refuge of language, faith.
Oh, no, dont you worry about the minorities, they are on self destruction mode with shia and sunnis fighting for non issues. ! Now in India more of sections of minorities fighting with each other is in full demand. !
I request you to revisit my post , who is dalit in democratic life, which is in the same topic herein.
True, during my visit to UP I was very much disappointed with strategy of BJP in not going for national image of being secular, in true sense, that is respect to all faiths, condemn those who misuse faith for vote gathering. BJP has lost a good chance in the biggest state to prove its credentials when roberto rahul maino was roaming around with skull cap and thilak suiting the votes. !
If you mean brahmin is to mean a learned one, irrespective to whom he is born, such learned person with knowledge and wisdom is respected wherever he is. But by conventional meaning of birth being the decider of caste this meaning has no relevance, as those in birth by practise can be as shoodras like our politicians of all the spectrum, or to that matter the bureaucrats who live in filth of graft are shoodras in society,the EC of the nation which has different yard sticks to offences of different persons is full of such lowly persona.CBI which treats the offenders with yardsticks of wealth is full of such persona.It is the society which has to wake up to this reality which has to recognise the malady of discrimination in democratic life and take corrective steps.
When a child is born, he is born with the all organs like all other children, he does not have a brahmin,kshatriya or dalit brain,the society makes the child into the good human or rank bad persona, by its atmosphere for the growing child,some become good athletes, some good sports persons, some good at skills, some at education, it is the efforts of the child to improve his muscles,skills and brain, good use of the organs couled with efforts to improve itself that makes him good,society has to give facilitation to all children the basics to improve their aptitude, attitude and life that is good governance,selective extension of good governance looses good humans in society.
In society, there is no "upper" or "lower" caste,my friend, it is the practise of some with material wealth to show off that they are upper, some with no thoughts for good life think that money can buy everything, but such bought out status and position also begets hate and snide remarks to them, look at the cricketers sad plight today, who made money,got iconic status, but non-performance led it dead ceremonies for their status. ! Also look at some of the iconic anchors in TV channels with page three status,when they do not do the honest work for society, they are just existing with all their lopsided talks, but not living.I doubt whether they can have a good sleep at all without worrying about their status. ?
Summary dismissal, imprisonment for obstructing the process of law.
Great thoughts, my friend, yes, that would change the society for better, the change in society is for sure is for better as the citizens realise that caste is come with birth and rights and wrongs are imbibed as we live in the society,vocational skills and hard work can only improve life to dignified earning life,the good of democracy will sure reach all in society without the discrimination of birth, faith, and the society, will facilitate the better life of all inspite of the bad governance as the citizens become aware of their duties and responsibilities along with their rights ultimately bringing a situation where governance has to be good to be called as good governance,no slogans can make it good unless it is good.
Wishing you speedy recovery, god be with you.
The soft face of hijbul mujahideen in partnership with the rule in Jammu and kashmir is asking for a ceasefire and majlis and IUML are secular for the secular parties. !
Sir, the issue is branded as communal by whom in the polity,is it not the "secular" parties who partner with IUML, Majlis and hijbul mujahideen to share power that their perception is communal ?
Even in kingdoms the royalty collected from the citizens of the king was used to give better life for all the citizens, so this logic is ill concieved, for the right to life is not exclusive to ignore other lives in the society.If that be so the person is not fit to be in society to exercise his rights and will over the rights of others in the society.He becomes an island and not social animal that he is said to be.
Yes, we are so calm and collected that we do not mind soft face of hijbul mujahideen being our partners to share loot,we do not mind having the ceasefire after the sacrifices of our young jawans as we are the partners in kashmir for the first time after many many long yers,so we break the bread as our soldiers die,drink wine for easter peace. ! Congress you slip is on show. !
When you go to another nation, learn to be in the mainstream and not like a second class person there by your mindset,be greatful and be happy that nation has accommodated you there,gave a life of earning.Linguistic emotional fanatism can do no good to any one in any nation,language is for communication of good thoughts, not hate.
Again, friend, shastras are not at fault, of any religion or faith, the bible or quran, is not at fault, it is the interpretation of these that are creating the ills in society. To be precise, about Manushastra that is referred by all,it only talks of the society as whole body, and explains the relevance of vocations of the such cosmic body composit,no part of that cosmic body of composit society is upper or lower, superior or inferior, as body composit can not have healthy life if any part of the body is spurious.Quran which speaks of all humans as children of one god,does implead duty of humans to society,and love and insaniyeth to all, but interpretation of one or few verses make some humans as infidel kafirs, when actually it means who does not live as per the good life is kafir in society. Bible which gives out messages of love and compassion and responsive and responsible life in society is mis-interpreted to treat humans who do not believe the saviour and good shephard as kill worthy as crusades.It is to be noted that no faith asks one to be cruel and heartless, thoughtless in society,all teach and talk of love and compassion.We in our actions make it hell or heaven in society,let us try to make it atleast good life for all.
Yes, it is fact that the paleygars and kothwals of kingdoms used their muscle power to be classified as obcs,in democracy.They know the use of muscle power in illiterate society, but the awareness and education will only defeat the designs of sixty years of misrule.What started as good intented effort to SCs and STs is now grabbed by the ruling elite.
why stopped the message in midstream ?If atrocity on any human in society has to be stopped it is we citizens have to be responsible and responsive to the society.
With crorepati politicians and babus. !
Yes, it is the flip side of the law that it only recognises the "Communal" of communal party and not communal side of "secular" parties. ?
In democracy, we the people are ruling ourselves and the system of rule of law is to take care of all in the society as we the people are responsible to each other.Yes, we the citizens think of maximum good to maximum of the citizens and good governance is to see that good of governance reaches all the citizens irrespective of their caste, religion and region.The very purpose of electing people to govern is that they look after the rule of law to see that no individual usurps the rule of law to be selfish and self serving.The system has the legislative, executive and judiciary to take care that rule of law survives.If each of us think of only about our good, that will not be rule of law but mighty will be right with his power of might to be right. That is what happened in nandigram, with strong goon cadres of left playing god to poor to kill and rape.But for the citizens cry for justice to these hapless and helpless villagers what would have happened in society is unimaginable,atleast the selfish will be more careful to impose their will on other helpless. ?
The very education has become business my friend, it is all now ruled by caste driven colleges of huge donation rackets encouraged by those powerful in rule.wastage of resources in this is the malady.
Planning did not take in to account of power thefts by each and every one well heeled and well connected, planning did not take care of politicians promising free power to farmers, planning did not care for judicious use of power by farmers and misuse of ground water to ruin themselves later.Augmentation and harvesting of resources like water and renewable energy sources is not encouraged in planning. ! Power has to be generated only by "licensed" even naturally wasted sources are not tapped for energy. !
Both are advanced enough to classify themselves as backwards to include themselves in cornering the good of governance.
Friends we have been discussing various issues regarding the dalits, their upliftment,empowerment, and welfare.But there seems to be some confusion to identifying the fact as to who is a dalit in society. For me, dalit is the one who is not cared for by the democratic rule, delivery of democratic good to that person. Good of governance when is not reaching the individual, he is deprived of dignified life, means to livelihood, he is dalit in society.As a citizen goes to seek redressal of injustice meted out to him by legal means the justice delayed and denied is a dalit in that society.A citizen seeking education for his progeny, his children have to walk 15-20 kms to a school,which has no roof, no basic health amenities, no teachers,thus depriving his children of education, he and his children are dalits. Health care centres in every corner, having no basic facilities to help even basic health care and thus making the citizens suffer for the lack of it, those deprived are dalits in society.Basic drinking water, education and health care is deprived in India even after thousands of crores pocketed by the unscrpulous in society,thus giving rise to dalits in society. Bad governance which can not take care of its citizens is creating dalits in society, these dalits who are deprived of all the good in society by democratic rule and the system which has failed to tackle the issue is giving rise to dalits in society, dalits are there in society from all faiths, all religions, all castes and all those deprived and suppressed by the babus, politicians and the system are dalits in society, genuine efforts to alleviate the poverty, to give eduaction to the next generation and basic health care, drinking water to all in India is the need of the day, not empty slogans and speeches of the parliamentarians and their speech drafts by babus. The farmers in vidarbha who have to commit suicide by the loans and faulty spurious seeds for cultivation are the dalits, deprived of their life. The dalits are in all castes, faiths and regions deprived of the good governance. Please think it over as the issue has nothing to do with caste and faith, it is the society and the rule of law which is creating dalits with BAD governance which does not care for the citizens. The faulty implementation of quota and reservations to favour few sections, thus depriving the other sections is making more dalits in society.Please give this a thought.
Think again, this is applicable to each living being in life.Good values bring good life,hate only breeds more hate.
Please try to keep your mind clean first and then worry about others genitals and the asses, as it is, it is stinking with filthy language.Why are you worried so much about toilets, come out of the toilets and attend good school of thoughts atleast to get better equipped in life instead of filth and toilet paper. !
My dear one, it is quite appropriate for you to seek clarifications on what the thoughts are about, for me dalit is the one who has not got the good of governance, in democracy,when all are equal before the law, with equal rights and responsibilities,if the governance favours a section of the society at the cost of other sections it is not governance,but bad practise.The law applies to all equally, so each of the citizen has the right and responsibilty to live dignified life and livelihood.So if the governance finds favourites to support few on caste and religion it is not acceptable, all have to be getting the benefit of democratic rule, irrespective of the faith, caste and region. As to law of karmas it is a different plane altogether, it follows the laws of karma, not a fatalistic karma, but positive thoughts of action, to make efforts to change without waiting for the results, praise and curse taken equanimously, but faith in action being based on good firm belief that it will bring change for better.At present what we see in democracy is talk of rights only without any responsibility as you can see some posts which talk of rights of the oppressed to deprive others in society of their rights. ! Every one claims to be oppressed and deprived for the rights and not for the responsibilty. ?
I hope my dear RAJAYE- HIND will glance thru this message.
THANK YOU MAKING ME DEAD, IT IS BLESSING IN DISGUISE,BUT BE ALIVE TO SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES AS YOU TALK OF RIGHTS.OLD AND YOUNG ARE RELATIVE TERMS APPLICABLE TO BODY AND MIND, SO WAKE UP,HAVE A YOUNG MIND, BODY HAS TO AGE AND WITHER.
Courts interpret the laws of the land, uphold the right ones and negate the ones which impinge on the rights of the citizens.Moot issue here is the act of 1894 on acquisition of lands has been outliving its utility in free India, the courts have to apply their mind on this issue.In the years of slavery this was used more to punish the citizens percieved to be against the british rulers,free India saw it being used for land reforms initially, then for selfish needs of powerful, to acquire the land by the state, sell it to the powerful, to build their cow sheds in the guise of Industry. !
In democracy, dissenting voices have to be heard,an attempt to understand their views have to be made, but as you rightly point out the voice that spews venom as dissent is not worth the place,for the bearer of that voice it seems is a disgruntled individual , a total failure who does not have anything but self pity and complex mindset of hate.A person who can not understand as to who are dalits in democracy is disgrace to humanity, a dalit is the one who is deprived and suppressed by the governance to exploit his mass votes, keep him forever as bonded labour of slogan shouter to be called for bundhs and rallies on daily wage payments, he is not given education, not encouraged to be self sufficient,live a dignified life, simple reason being the political parties thrive on poverty for the slogans and false assurances.The very idea of empowering the downtrodden and the poor is anathema to politicans for whom they have empty promises and schemes to be announced, then loot is by the self-labelled OBCs who loot the benefits in the scheme of things in the national life.
Now it is duty bound Arjun Singh, has to give out data and the rationale for the quota to "OBCs" like himself,as at the moment he is more duty bound to garner votes by false positioning that doing any good for the poor and downtrodden.In the last sixty years the needs of the poor have been met only by false promises and slogans, it is the hard work and entrprise of the poor and not the policies that have done any national good.A dabbawala or the milk supplier in metros is not even aware of the policies of this scoundrel Arjun Singh,it is the hardwork that has earned them the dignified life.
Enough dalit leaders have come to parliament as the leaders of dalit, to forget their IT returns for 12 long years, to even file the returns, once elevated to main stream, these dalits become the champions of exploit of their own dalit brothers and sisters, they as they get out of slave mentality, make slaves of their own followers. Athavale,Praksah Ambedkar are recent ones, how can we overlook the Jagjivan ram, Meira Kumars who have only lip sympathy to talk and have not even made any efforts for the betterment of the poor and downtrodden.Mayavathi with crores in her bank accounts and scams is the dalit the dalit could avoid as plague for the ills she represents.First dalits have to be empowered with good education and vocational skills to live and earn dignified livelihood, not the jobs in government offices, as these jobs make them slaves of money forgetting their roots and needs of the others in society.Just as they get better in life, they seem to develop a complex to belittle all others in life.
Twisted and tortured mind sees only the bitterness and not the sweet things in life,the experience of bitterness leaves one to expect only bitterness and not seek the truth and mind further blames everything that it looks at for the bitterness in life. Efforts to get out of the rut is not made, and the blame is on percieved ills.
Laws of karma are not fatalistic my friend, fate and destiny can be changed with efforts of individual, with his intellectual development, to change karma, one has to make efforts, to blame that it is his karma is fatalistic, escapist mindset, all good efforts and actions result in good results, albeit not at the expected time and instant,but results in good are for sure to reward the individual as he continues his efforts.The trend is to seek instant results, not waiting for the results with least efforts.
"People who oppose reservation should introspect",not only the people who oppose, but people who support reservation must also introspect whether the benefits meant to the oppressed has reached them atall, the citizens are not opposing the policy, it is the implementation of these policies which seem to have upset both the opposers and supporters as this policy in implementation has become a fertile ground for unscrupulous in the society to loot the national exchequer and deprive the real beeficiaries and corner the grafts in allocation of PG seats/jobs with crores of underhand payments for various "certificates involved.!
The very word quota and reservation evokes strong emotions and politics amongst citizens, let us view this , atleast try to be seeing this without emotions of for or against the issue.The basis of this very policy in free India was to make the path for upliftment of the section of citizens who for years because of the prevalent societal prejudices, were suppressed, deprived of any benefit of education, right to till the land, right to good health,lived on the throw away of the fuedal rich farmers and paleygars,sawanths.Practically they were the slaves for the slaves in british India. For a limited period of ten years to give some succour to these slaves of the slaves in british India, the constitution was incorporated with the provision to give benefits of good education, social upliftment to these deprived section, then classified as scheduled castes and scheduled tribes, a percent of 27 of the total population.When the period of ten years was coming to an end, no honest study nor effort was made to find about the percolation of the efforts to alleviate the issue of deprivation was effective. Instead, by then the ruling class had all the fuedal lords with muscle power in the parliament, sitting as MPs and the idea of including the CASTES as backward came in to play, these ruling fuedal lords in free India, made themselevs listed as BACKWARD and started to feed on the poverty of the deprived SCs and STs, by easily enslaving the leaders of SCs and STs in to their fold, SC and ST leaders who for ages have been dreaming of becoming the masters instead of being slaves,were too happy to be treated as equals by these fuedal lords in parliament. The followers of these leaders remained slaves and votebanks of these leaders in parliament, and no benefit whatso ever reached the downtrodden and poor. The leaders of these SCs and STs were happy to oblige only their clans, fuedal lords now in the OBC list, too glad with the arrangement of, you eat, I also eat syndrome of the society.The poor remained at the lesser level, further pushed down to poverty now that the goodies were denied to them by their own leaders in collusion with OBC leaders. Every five or ten years more and more clans got classified in to OTHER BaCKWARD castes, not classes,and loot went on. !(#! survey when, population was around 33 crorws including muslims, which are supposed to be shifted to pakistan with 5 crores, leaving a nett population of 28 crores in Free India. But in 1947, India saw formation of Pakistan, nett population remained even after pakistan at 31 crores, after sixty years of freedom, the population is at 110 crores, the deprived poor at 34 crores. In this scenario, no sane citizen of India will deny the need of upliftment of the poor and downtrodden in the society of free India,but the tool to uplift and improve the poor out of their miseries is consistently used to deprive them of the good of governance, all benefits are being cornered by the fuedal lords like karunanidhi, Ramadoss, Arjun Singh, Mayavathi, Ram Vilas Paswan, Hanumantha rao, Ajith Singh, Devegowda,(por farmer)Maran, Reddys and their clans.Nett result is even after sixty years of freedom the loot of the poor to make them poorer is continuous, non stop, their leaders in the clutches of left idealogists, right fuedal lords and MPs but only slogans greet the poor, nothing else. This judgement of the supreme court I hope will make the procedure totally transparent, take out the role of bureaucrats who give false certificates, the good will reach truly to the deserving poor and downtrodden. Let the crutches and motorised wheel chairs be given to those who need them, not to the scoundrels who are able bodies who give false declarations that they are handicapped.
Judiciary has a job of terming what is legally right and which is not.It has nothing to do with populist mobocracy of fuedal leaders with latis enforcing the popular mandate with their goons and padais( in south both DMK and ADMK) are famous with their goon brigades known as padais.In democracy the rule of law should be delivering good of democracy to all citizens, not to strong lati wielding fuedal lords only, who can organise slogan shouters on daily wages. Such demonstrations are not the show of popular mandate. The idiots in parliamnet are known scoundrels for their petty politics of divide and rule the nation, do they have any national interest in any of their acts at all. These bunch of MPs should be tried for treason, shot in public, if Afjal Guru had succedded that would have been the public opinion of all.A parliamnet which subverts the natural justice and equity to cater to its own clan is a shame to democratic life. If any MPs try to subvert the law, he should be hanged from the nearest pole in public as punishment.Instead of democracy of the people for the people,now it is mobocracy and sycophancy that is ruling the nation, with opposition preparing their grounds for the similar future rule.Judiciary has given a call to citizens to be vigilent and alert while framing the rules for the resrvations to see that these go to deserving,poor and downtrodden, are not trampled by babus who give false certificates for the money.
I will join you with my mind and soul,with aqua pura,rejoicing the beginning of new era of true democracy.Body will be in here but my thoughts merge with your good thoughts. !
Please think again sir, the laws of the land define clearly tht the farmers can only buy the farming lands for cultivation, exception introduced was for corporates for farming,being used or rather misused.A non agriculturist can not buy the agrarian lands that is why the hue and cry about big B on his buying the lands. ! Ofcourse you can float a company in the car garage of your home, with the words, private limited and buy the lands and then build a cow shed in it to manufacture spurious medicines for bulk supply. !
Sir, Gujarath is under rule of your not so liked the political dispensation, but the truth of the matter is there in Gujarath, the lands extended are barren, also known as kharab lands of low revenue not belonging to any farmer. Those who took up had to start the work from the scratch, which is appreciated by the world monitoring bodies.In Maharashtra, it is different story, the lands of farmers growing cotton and rice are allotted forcibly to industries, SEZs, the activity coming up there is shopping malls and residences, swimming pools, gyms,multiplexes & condominiums. !
Sir, no soubt globalisation has led to real values of the commodities in the market place when it was subsidised earlier by our socialist economy. The petro products were heavily cross subsidised and the real value was concealed for good, but after glbalisation, the government is charging the taxes on real values which is not part of the globalisation, as otherwise how could neighbouring nations still sell petro products at much lower price than in our nation. Our taxation is a big mess of feeding the parasytes of the pillars of democracy. ! The price rise has not given the benefit to the producer, be it a farmer or an manufacturer, in fact the cheaper products of the globe have killed the local manufacturer, the farmer is given spurious seeds for cultivation, modern genetically modified seeds have spelt doom for the cotton, rice growing farmer.
Yes, Sir, it is really sad indeed, film stars politicians and bureaucrats buy the lands and whitewash their ill-gotten wealth as agricultural income and the farm houses are showcasing the corrupt lifes in democracy.Primarily, only agricultural lands can be bought only by the same vocational people, it is more in violation that we find the law being upheld.
Well, taking totally in rational mold,your thoughts of better life also can not escape death, my dear friend,as to my thoughts they accept death as the natural end of life, and in the days of life, the pleading is to give better life to all with whom we live,taking care if possible, sharing the benefits as a duty,to commune, for better life.If your perspective of life measures only in selfish measures with shield of rational thoughts such life only gives miseries to self and others in life,time will show the fruits of share and care thoughts.Taking care of ones children because you are responsible for them and their birth is one side of it, but how far you have taken care of them,to what extent you have succeeded in your selfish thoughts to use them as commodities and not as human lives will determine their response to you when they also become equally selfish as grown ups, of their life and care two hoots for every one else in their lives including their own parents.
It makes sense now that the government of India in its written submission has admitted it has absolutely no records to the details of Nethaji Boses' contribution to independence struggle, who was leader by his own right in Indian national Congress, founder of Azad Hind fauz, which came very near to main land in its liberation journey. ! For details please read the news in Indian Express of today, on Page 7 in the main head, Nation, sub head, freedom struggle.
Where politicians play the games and players do not want any play ?
Ignorance is bliss, now that cadres have been arrested with caches of arms and ammunitions, forcible evictions and rapes at gun point.!! Even the left intellectuals are demanding the open trial like that of Gujarath.
Sir, both of our thoughts as trains run parallel to each other,when a teacher can get salary as selfish person,for him to teach and impart knowledge is no more a duty bound action. When couple enjoy sex, they need not procreate, they can have the pleasure to all to themselves, sensuous pleasures for the self need is different from owning the responsibilty for the act of coitus,communes sense of belonging,sharing and caring is an instinct of social animal that humans are,where self interests merge with commune interests, sacifice for the commune is not selfish but commune recognises such acts as great acts of sacrifice and revers the individual who went for the welfare of the commune.If selfish person is happy, when he is unhappy with illhealth,needs the help of commune and individuals of the commune,they help him as he is one of them, his acts of self preserve at the cost of others being selfish is not appreciated, but still the good of the commune helps him in his difficult times of need, that is self for others in commune.
Why should anyone give up his/her rights ? Does this question answer those who give up their lives to the nation defending the nation and its citizens at the borders ? The unknown soldier for a pittance of salary gives up his rights to live happy life with his parents,wife and children for the protection of rights of the citizens of the nation.The elite force which protects the lives of VIPs with Z security risks its life every day in society for the whims and fancies of its VIPs,is giving up its rights to live as they wish with their rights ? Rationality also limits itself in society when rational thoughts border on being irrational with logic as the only plank to support it not the humans lives.What is morally wrong is always wrong, but what is legally wrong can atbest be wrong at the validity or legality of the legislation is questioned.
If all are selfish, we would not have been educated by our teachers, if our parents were selfish, we would not come in to earth at all,if the commune was selfish then the life would not be caring and sharing for all in the society,selfish to the extent of livelihood of live and let live is the need. Selfish to hoard everything material will not go well, and if that be so, selfish can not take with them whatever they have hoarded when they leave the world for good or worse.There is balancing in life which transcends all faiths, it is inbuilt in the society. When humans become too self serving the democracy fails to govern all.
As a life is born on earth it has a body, it then has no caste,no religion no sense of right or wrongs,it cries when hungry,becomes happy with fed milk,later as the child grows, it gets the values of rights and wrongs,the caste tag, the religion and faith to follow or to reject,in the habitat it lives,the values become inbuilt as it grows,rights and wrongs as it is inculcated in that life by the society in which that life lives. It becomes a life of existence or a worthy life as the society and surroundings and parents make it to be.So values are in built as it grows in society as the life lived by the individual. A life in the company of what society considers as habitual offenders will not consider it to wrong to be regular offender of societal values.A life in the socially conscious group makes that individual alive to social issues,response may be positive /negative or null/nothing.
i again reiterate the land acquisition act of 1894 is used in misuse more than for good use,is oppressive for the democratic life, no forcible eviction of any one is acceptable even for public purpose, force is out of question, but committment to better life and willingness to share and care can make the thing to happen,never force,such use of force by the state or group of people only leads to fragmented society of illwill.
The message posted by me clearly spells out that the ageold legislation is repressive and misused more than used, the persons who are willing to be sharing and caring are not yet exticnt in society, those willing will part for the right consideration, with out force,but willingness. The forcible eviction by state or anyone is out of this action for the good of the fellow villagers.
Isolated village needs roads for commuting,a hospital for the health care, drinking water is the need of the citizens,with population on the rise, the basic needs have to be met, but with compassion, with humane approach to the issue, those who give up lands willingly for the right price for this public purpose,are only helping themselves in the nation. No compulsion or force can bring in development by stepping on the toes of others. With involvement of the villagers for the school, hospital and roads it becomes public need of those villagers.
I am in agrrement with you, but let us face the facts truthfully, an isolated village which needs a road connectivity, a hospital for better life for the surrounding villages need a few parts of land for this benefit to all those in that village, even this can be achieved not by coercion but by humane approach.With proper compensation to the individual for the parted land, this would be blessing for all.Yes, the archaic legislation of slave days must go.
Color red whistle ? Goons have been effectively blocked in Nandigram and singur., your whistle went on for which blowing air ?
Central govt. has accepted the rule of law, that no state governance can acquire the lands except for specific purpose of roads, dams and very few public service. It has acknowledged that the guidelines of Gujarath governance are model rules for SEZ. It has sought the industires to buy their lands directly from the owners. Govts can be only faclitators not land developers.Isnt it good that the governance has understood the follies of its flawed policy ? Keeping aside party politics it is good that good governance of Gujarath is acknowledged at last. Ofcourse with a view of Nov. elections, in Gujarath, Dasmunshi has announced the package of compensation before the conduct rules come in to force for the rioters.!
Please do not be so sure of rights of free expression, have a system of rating to push the good thoughts or the thoughts they deem not good for them, to rate as offensive and remove them. !
Your posts prove it otherwise, agniputhra, that you are committed fascist, !
Poignant quote.! Joint direstor of CBI taking pains to explain of documented non-presence of main accused at the time of killings is clinching evidence for CBI. CBI and its prosecution rests entirely on doctored confessions of servant who for few lakhs of funds and asurance that his wife and children will be taken care of for life, will confess anything for CBI.The fact that main accused had absolutely no morals, sleeping with thre or more sex workers should be quite revealing. A channel went to the extent of publicity for the CBI with a "criminal" lawyer and a retired police officer giving certificates for CBI for the marvellous job done by them of the investigation, that of securing the confession in Delhi court, their home turf, for ofcourse consideration, unknown, but graspable by common citizens. The acts of CBI after 1980 have to be probed by another group of super cops of impeccable credentials, as to how they fumbled in every case to let off the guilty accused and saved them, throwing some small fries in to prosecution, each and every culprit in CBI should be booked for subversion of law and injustice to the nation and national exchequer.
CBI today has filed a charge sheet on just as expected lines to do, proving itself to be a poodle of ruling party hangers on, rich and powerful,it has made the scapegoat of a servant of the rich pandher, well connected and well heeled businessman, another accused is the police SHO Kaur, and thus KOLI and Kaur take up the prosecution while CBI systematically hides the evidence against the powerful, shields him from his crimes for his being well connected, is this not a cruel joke of blowing up tax payers money just like in Bofors case, process delays, then judicial delays, police apathy kills the process of law, this pandher will hire the best "criminal" lawyers to defend him on weak evidence put up by CBI, investigating agency, laughs his way to some more crimes. ! Ofcourse some blacksheep in judiciary are there to give the stay orderss on flimsy grounds for big guns of lawyers, to wine and dine with them in the bar Council, the story goes on. The media which has soft corner for celebrity rich, will have now reportage of titllation values and high trps,sensationalising the trivials, as the real criminal will lie low, some media blacksheep will spin stories of how well-behaved this scoundrel was, being educated in St. stephens, well mannered, even in raping minors and ordering them to kill, so soft hearted that he asked the bodies disposed of in gutters not to burn the body parts after organ sales for transplants,as he laughs his way with 30 lakhs income per month from his legal and illegal business, that is democracy for you, as criminals laugh with CBI and prosecution fumbles with prosecution with reputed "criminal" lawyers. ! I wont be surprised if naditha haksar will give a talk on rights of the criminals and intellectuals will talk of saving democracy from these nice criminal ofcitizens. !
Good case fit for an encounter. !
"Kalahapriya" likes to see the wranglings.!
Irrespective of the party affiliations guilty have to be punished, if ABVP has goons they also need to be treated as goons only.
When you have a scoundrel of a politician, who when he was home minister released terrorists to safeguard his daughter, sent her abroad to safekeep,then enters into pact with Congress to rule kashmir, after his term as CM, talks exactly like anti-nationals and the pakistani president, it is high time that citizens recognised his true nationalism. !
Sir, dalits and ordinary people do not need any sympathy, they need good education and vocation skills to be better earning members in the society, jobs not of the government office but where they can earn honourable livelihood with hard work.Only good governance to uplift each citizen from the rut is the need of the nation, not caste based reservation to further divide good of the society to be cornered by few who can subvert the rulebooks.
The sleepy weepy judges who get to the post by criminal politicians blessings. ?
Who will finance that nation and elections your own cowshit hindus and dalits ?
You are absolutely right, Mr. Flash, the issue here is, when in the beginning of the 20th century wise said that they are saluting the 33 crore gods in the society they meant clearly the 33 crore population of that time, it is not even comprehended at present, each souls is part of the supreme soul, whom we percieve as god of our choice.The good of the each in society is God to the society,irrespective of which faith and religion they belong. Humanity in its good acts thoughts and action is god.
Nithari, Singur, nandigram, high profile murder cases, illegal acts are all ATMs for politicians and their parties my friend, !
No, Sir, we need not go back, let us all develop that sense of being compassionate to other fellow living beings with us.Let the governance be with human touch in its development as our lame duck of PM is busy with his speeches of human face in development.Let him take steps to advise his minister kamalnath to frame guidelines for the SEZ before approval of SEZs.Let CM s of the states know that human miseries can be handled more humanely than with force of brutal police actions.
Very true, Kamalnath had a policy inherited from NDA, but has he not been applying his mind to formulate the guidelines for the policy at all ?It was his prime duty to take the policy guidelines before accepting the SEZ zones from states, Gujarath and karnataka have taken a firm stand not to give any agrarian lands to IT industry, they have asked the lobby to go out to about 60 kms away from the main cities.Karnataka CM has clearly told to develop lands away from the cities as suburbs with work stations and colonies to IT honchos or get lost wherevet they want.His plea to IT honchos was to take in to account the rural populace also in their scheme of things, Sudha Murthy of Infosys trust has come up with good model for sanitation, health and rural education which is to be lauded.
When a politician and accused powerful say these words, what he means is, he has taken care of law,judiciary and invstigating agencies, he is going to delay the process, so that nothing will be proved in any court of law. !
Friend there is nothing personal in this, Punjab replied in the negative for the SEZs with ouster of the government, Gujarath was careful to not to tread the toes of the farmers and poor in SEZs, Modi has proved that FDI can come, with good home work, facilitating the investment, Maharashtra is having enough headache already, greedy leaders and builders are strong lobby, but attention went on the atrocities on dalits, farmers suicide took the back seat.Vilas rao will have lot to answer, people of Maharashtra are waiting to give his coin back to him.Buddha would have been considered as wise, had he done his home work a little better, to see the barren lands for development instead of agrarian lands, bengal has enough stretches of it.Industry today wants everything on a platter ready-made for it to come in, politicians are ready if the kickbacks are right.Did Tatas not develop Mitapur, in Gujarath, and jemshedpur with all facilities like the roads, hospital, schools and township with their industry, why not in Bengal also ?
SEZ is one of the reasons for Capt. Amarinder Singh's defeat and Congress fall from grace, as some of my friends told me, in Punjab, he had started the process of acquiring fertile agrarian lands for SEZs.Lots of underhand deals took place to oblige connected farmers and deprive others of fair price. Hope news channels will take up investigation in true public interest.
No, my friend, I do not intend to oppose for the sake of opposition, in my younger days I have seen the formation of industrial hub, both by private players and PSUs. The best example that comes to my mind is the HAL township and industrial hub which came up in bangalore on the outskirts of the city, with residential colonies, schools, roads,drinking water arrangement and even transport in public sector, in Mitapur, the tata Chemical plant is another example of the very same tatas, which has best industry, residential township, school in barren strip, an oasis, in Gujarath. Take jamshedpur also in to view, it also came as model for industrial hubs of the future.Deserts saw the oasis in these actions.
The firebrand politician has been burning herself in most of her earlier acts, this time she has taken the heat and burns to the opposite camp ?
Very true, when the Nehru era saw the industrialisation,it had human face to it, HAL, ITI and BEML or BEL in Bangalore came on barren lands, colonies were built, roads were laid afresh, township emerged out of barren lands, with all amenities. It is a different matter that it became a breeding grounds for lazy work force with political appointments. Population in check with good educated class of citizens who do not get emotional for the sake of religion against population control in their family would be national assets.Good of governance will sure help all citizens if the citizens have the civic sense to help governance and curb the urge to jump the que.
Ismailbhai, I have full concurrence with your thoughts, opposition be it Congress or any other has been destructive in its working, many times out of sheer exigency of gaining brownie points,even media which can have a constructive role in democracy is hellbent on malfunctuioning of wardrobes of fashion models or their weddings, otherwise busy with stray dogs, not the real issues confronting the citizens.
If the substance is not much to boast of quality,package has to be good to attract.?
which different nation, mister, why are you here then in alien nation to vomit venom ?
I am reminded of a story told to me when I was child, in Ramayana,during the formation of bridge to go to lanka, as all put the stones in to ocean with Sri Ram written on the stones, the stones floated and formed the bridge, Ram, tried his hand, took a stone, wrote his name on it and put it into ocean, to his astonished gaze, the stone sank. ! When he asked Lakshman about this, his brother told him, brother, they wrote your name, stones knew you would take care of them, so they remained afloat, now if you are doing the same, what will be their hope to be afloat. ?In the night, a frog was under the leg of Sri Ram by sheer accident, Sri Ram asked the frog, why you did not cry out, frog replied, I would have cried out for you, but when I saw it was your leg that was crushing me, what can I cry for ?
Well, industrialisation at what cost ? How many more lives have to be shot at ? Is it not possible to have developments with humane approach, can the state not give barren lands at a lower price, ask the industry to develop it with tax sops. ? Is it correct to snatch some-ones home and ask another to build palace there ? Simple common sense tells me that the kick backs are working at godspeed, so the hurry at any cost.!
Friend in every section of society, in all states there are some parasytes,in West Bengal they are ruling the state,those with creative instincts do not limit themselves to any one region or state, they move on where they have the work and satisfaction out of that work done.
Farmers suicide and lawlessness of whom sir. ?Society must have rule of law, but in West bengal cadres of CPM have become law themselves ?
Lawlessness of the CPM cadres is unabashed in west bengal as can be seen, it is being allowed with help of police.! Let rule of the law prevail on all citizens, no forcible eviction of farmers from their tilled lands for a few dollars of indonesian firm. ?
He knows not what he talks, forgive him.
Well said. !!!!
What ever happened in the year 2006, this year will see judiciary facing new challenges and will be tested time and again, with regional power centres placating their own selfish ends, law will be tested again and again. The west bengal government in its act of being the land developer over the dead bodies of farmers and workers,for few dollars of kickbacks, guising the selfish pocket filling exercise as bengal development programme, citizens will notice the change in left politicians joining the billionaires list in India, judiciary which is accountable to citizens of the nation will do well to stem the rot that has set deep in governance. Suo moto action of high court of west bengal is well appreciated by citizens and hopes of citizens is only on the judiciary that it will rise to the occassion to safeguard the human rights of fundamental existence in nation.
Forbes gave the list of billionaires of the world, unfortunately the unaccounted money held by many in India is not in the scanner. There are atleast 300 billionaires in India,in politics and bureacracy, left has atleast three billionaires,as per the dossiers of IB. Congress has 130 + billionaires compared to 30+ of BJP and all the local satraps are in thelist of billionaires of india, with unaccounted cash./assets.
It was with heavy heart that I saw the news of a farmer refusing to hand-over his agricultural lands to tata motors plant, ending up with his suicide. today the police action of forcibly evicting the villagers from notified lands that saw death of five lives in police firing. is this what left government is talking of development ? Special exploitation Zones are being set up, not for aam admi, but for politicians of the left and UPA, to gain kick-backs from the industry. A tata venture which can buy 11 billion worth Corus, can not buy the land at market prices for its project, thus forcing the govt, to acquire the lands forcibly to put up its plant to give the one lakh priced car ? None can ensure that these cars will be at one lakh when they come to market. The basics are all wrong here, governance is not land business, let the left understand this before it is too late.In the guise of development precious lands are given away depriving the farmer of his livelihhod, that too by the same left which talks of social justice and upliftment of poor. !
RSS does not go for hate campaigns, it only stops the hate campaigns by reasons.SIMI and the terrorist groups hate the others in society who do not follow what is dictated by their clergies,RSS respects individuals right to follow what he he has faith in, but does not want that faith to be imposed on others in society,this is the basic difference.SIMI does not work for the poor in its own society,RSS has worked for its own society, that causes concern for others as this may lead to unified hindu society making exploitation by politicans/mullas difficult.
I have absolutely no hesitation in agreeing with you that religion has no place in good governance, but to take left to take the stand on this issue is just contradiction as seen by their actions of vote bank politics with every possible community. IUML is glowing example of left and its role in governance.
Well, if they do not, with global village all boundaries are melting, it will be part of global village, religious fanatism will be over.As to China, it is an issue unattended by the free India for decades,boundary drawn on map not surveyed jointly for decades.
Friend Tulsi can be grown by every body in their own yards, leaves can be used by anyone,why it should be "given",the very fact that tulsi leaves are anti-fungal, has medicianl values, should encourage evry one to grow atleast one tulsi in their yards, for use ?
Manusmrithi in true interpretation talks of whole society as body composit, a cosmic body, no part of that body is superior or inferior nor the caste are inferior or superior,the learned are brain of that body, not brahmins as it is normally understood and propagated, nor the kshatriyas by birth become the rulers,ruling class with the help of clergies in the hindu way of life in nascent stage,did do this mischief of caste classification,upper and higher. No part of the body is superior or inferior if the body should have the good health,it is now realisation of hindu way of life, that is uniting in untiring efforts to unite all in hindu society to be a healthy body. The division as seen indeed for the power of rule by miniscule over the majority of the society,it is even now pampered by politics of division to retain power,real good governance is by vision of good to all, irrespective of caste and creed. The so called OBCs are ruling the nation both in fuedal system, or in democracy by enlisting themselves in OBC gouping so that they can corner all the good for themselves, the classic example is that of jats,yadavs, reddys and gowdas, who have been paleygars, rulers in kingdoms now even in democratic rule they corner the power by division and words of reservation for themselves.
Indian history has many truthful recounts of how traitors within mixed cowdung in the ammunition to help aggressors,at the time of such agrresive wars by other powers, so your cowdung you can hope will work, but it will not.Citizens have become alive to the terrors and their supporters, they also know that only miniscule fanatic muslims are traitors,not all. Yes, nationalism and loyalty to nation is overrides any faith.
Plebiscite after half the population killed and thrown out of Kashmir ? No, my friend right thing to do then in 1947 was to send all muslims to the nation they carved out of the continent for themselves, even now,the solution is disslove the boundaries between the new nations formed in 1947, have good governance throwing out all religions out of governance, no religious laws but only laws of the nation to take precedence to all citizens irrespective of which faith they practise. Prayers at home only not on the roads,no public nuisence by any faith.
Well, the thoughts without hate component in it is really worthwhile, but issue here is society consists of all the humans, hindus, muslims, converted muslims and christians ,with converted muslims, in all these sections truth of the matter is nowhere in any of these subsections are treated equal and discrimination is in built in all faiths, the clergies make sure that it is so, be it hindu,muslim or christian faiths, clergies have a higher place in society,perhaps only in hindu society, the clergies are not so well placed to exploit the society, it is the OBCs who are in governance who helped themselves by putting themselves in categoty,being the ruling class thus depriving the scheduled classes and castes of their due. In muslim and christian society none dare to talk of their clergies in public, but in private all agree that the clergies are exploiters in society.
His Imams and mullas must be reccommending him to the heaven, for creating hell on earth. ?
Is she indian,I thought she was paki with indian name. ?
Likes of lalu YADAV, ?
Well said,thought provoking indeed.If only grass hoppers think of work in summer rainy and winter days would be not for starving.
If nationalism of citizens strikes terror chords in anti-nationals the purpose is served.
Well, my friend, now that the confessional statement of servant accused is in Delhi, in court, the rich accused moving the court to shift the case to delhi, does it not sound familiar if not funny,that CBI is only poodle to rich and hound to the poor ?
To list in web you do not need much efforts,but if RSS and the name terrorises the terrorist,it is really good for the nation.
Few months back when it was referred to the mystries of Nethajis' death, incidently it was mentioned about lottery king, criminal convict Nepali, MK Subba, who is Congress MP, CBI has claimed it could not have much progress in details then,even now the case is pending in Supreme court, the truth of the matter is RAW has a full dossier on this convict, CBI is wagging its tail to another foreign master or shall I say, mistress. ?A convict foreign national is two time MP, thanks to the money donated to rajiv and then his wife. ?Some channel is now making money over the issue,it is reported in Indian Express long back.Print media is now quiet, what is right with our media ?
It is clear from this news that the rich accused wants to get judicial "relief"with conniving CBI by throwing his servant,surender to the wolf,clever indeed.
Every terrorist has only one agenda, to have his rule,his religious mullas to take over the society and shoot and kill anyone who does not abide by the rules set by the mulla.Nascent religions have faith only in mullas as the follwers have no knowledge or the experience of the scriptures of their religion, in arabic, latin, whatever is told is the truth and gospel truth. Thus came the ideals of jihad and cruseades to impose the religious laws not the civilised society which has legislated laws can accept this terrorist.
Democratic rule is rule of laws governing all citizens equally,just,and fair, without fear or favours, by this simple logic,anyone who does not get good governance in the nation is dalit,being deprived of good governance,caste,religion and birth has no relevance at all,it is the good of governance for all in governance that must enrich all in society without the barriers - any man made /otherwise.It follows that by this fundamental right,the favours granted by goveranance to any one section of society is not good governance but appeasement. With resources getting looted,national exchequer being misused good governance to all is still a distant dream, that is the truth of the status of the citizens.
Why anyone begs on the street ? Simple truth is he is not capable or unable to work and earn his livelihood.A brahmin born is not a brahmin just because his parents are brahmins, this is a very wrong thought very much prevalent in the society,birth does not give the status of a learned one ,brahmin to anyone,it has to be earned by virtue of wisdom - knowledge and experience in life to live with ethics and morals, to give good to society,only they are brahmins,learned ones,similarly,only those who safeguard the nation are kshatriyas irrespective of their birth in any mothers womb. Those who are serving the society are the brahmins,not anyone who claim to be by birth.Time and again it has been shown to society by enough examples that a man /woman of any birth can achieve learned status by their own hard work,actions.The caste have absolutely no meaning in the present society except to garner votes, which also will diminish with more and more humans acquiring knowledge to serve the society, a person born to anyone with knowledge can serve humanity by his good actions,he is the brahmin in true sense of the word.
The report only proves that the death of hindu humans has no value for award and reward winning journalism in India, the life of kashmiris dislocated and in camps in India, living as refugees in India but not in kashmir has no value for this indoctrined brain of left philosophy. But even the arrest of a kashmiri in Mysore or in Bangalore with a facade of trade in artefacts draws immediate attention.The best and silly part is the role of anchors who are hindus but to look secular they come as widows with empty foreheads,anchors in DD news were not this secular ?And the women who are not even worth the salt are parading themselves with big sindhur on their foreheads,nithyasumangalis. !
In every case that is cited, in indian context, it was the congress which played the role of divisive polity. The duly elected governance of Kerala was the first victim of art,356. Punjab was the victim of terrorism thanks to Indira,who dismissed the elected government of akalis, to foist herself with president rule, created a Bhindranwale for her ego,bureacrats in the rule muisused the governance to heap insult and injuries to make the citizens feel unsafe,the result was the action and reaction of violence,in khalistan demand. So is the case of LTTE cadres trained by the mother and son duo for their selfish gains,not for the nation. Kashmir which had the population of both hindu and muslim was the trial lab of Congress to foist the rule,which was not acceptable to locals,resulted in backlash to hindus, as incidentally, Nehru was a rotten kashmiri hindu himself,let us be honest, when Pakistan was created muslims legitemately had to go to that nation of theirs, but having allowed to live in India, after solemn promise that they will live harmoniously, why this lame excuses to foist terrorism to increase the numerical strength. ?Is it not to gain power by hook or crook ? Let all religions be way of good life,not for killing each other.
Communal riots are not acts of terrorism,that they are acts of action and reaction,actively encouraged by Congress to put the fear,instill the fear of majority in minority and vice-versa,so that they can play the role of saviours after creating hell on earth.In day to day life,both muslims and hindu live in harmony and trust, a miniscule minority encouraged and emboldened by the appeasement policy of Congress has been further strengthened by removal of POTA,to play mischief in society.No hindus and muslims hate each other,it is all canard of Congress, muslims know the stand of RSS,the only demand is to be loyal to the nation, not to harbour terrorists,sheltor them,assist them with logistical supports,majority of muslims are good to the nation,it is psueudos who are playing with fire,to burn themselves.No religion is greater than the nation and the society that we live in, religion is for good life,not for killing each other,mullas who preach every friday that non-believers are the kafirs are the real kafirs of the society,as holy Quran speaks of Kafir as the one who being believer does not follow the tenets of Islam. Any religion and the followers who are not humane are not true to their religion. As hate and violence gets more of it,no wonder the baiters always look to enrich themselves with only hate propaganda.As it is well-known, these are getting enough and more funds for the hate work.RSS does not need vote for its good work,its job and aim is to make the stronger society on unified plank of casteless society of hindus,only a strong society commands respect. Hindu is always tolerent of inhuman behaviour of the blacksheep in media,politician and all and sundry,but if it becomes intolerable,even cow will gore the aggressor in self defence,hindu society is elephantine,has lots of patience,but elephantine society gone berserk with intolerent fringe fanatics is what every one saw in Gujarath.
The days of caste being upper and lower is over in hindu society,it is now catching up in muslim society, which has vocal support from some political parties,now merit counts,nothing else matters,it is time that all citizens understood this,improved their skills in life to earn decent living instead of being just slogan shouters of mullas and Congress or left.Politicians in any party love to have the slogan shouters on daily wages,here I may include all the parties,but predominent is Congress.
So, you mean to say that if the muslims indulge in rioting they should not be arrested like the Congress did all these years,they should be rewarded with MP and MLA posts. ? Those days are over, with citizens recognising their rights to be right,whoever riots will be punished by law,if not citizens give back the same coin,which is not good for the democracy,so governance has to act. After friday prayers the muslims,some of them come out of mosques and indulge in stone trowing,arson,should they be rewarded,or punished along with the mullas who emotionally provoke them to be anti-national ?
FM is not on the ground,he has flown at common man's cost,he will be grounded by the electorate.
So, you are waiting for the inheritance ? Friend, it is not that simple to cut the bondage of love with land for the tiller of the land.
Anti-incumbancy is a word invented by the pollsters to placate the rulers,in actual simple meaning it is no rule,no good governance.And that is when citizens seek, hope for alternate good governance atleast hoping for it. !
Well, Congress messed with the lives of citizens for 57 long years,BJP and NDA had a chance to govern the nation better,though not to expectaions was their performance,this state election result clearly show the citizens there is alternate to misrule,whosoever indulges in it.BJP if takes to good governance without the appeasement card,honest rule can positively give the alliance a head start for the general elections, Sonia may have to book tickets for the sojourn.Sycophants will do well to be good citizens,some blacksheep in media who did the surveys and futile exercise of influencing the voters have lost all credibilty with the citizens,they now have to use the spin of media to brand themselves as numero uno channel,even advertisers will think twice before they release the ads to this blacksheep in media.IBNlive will do well to go for introspection from the sycophancy they indulged in.
Please do not generalise that all social work projects are bad,Red crescent in Turkey did better work of social service than even red cross, missionaries in the early centuries did yeoman service in eduaction,recent trends have been that of increasing the numerical strength by hook or crook,some missionaries and some charitable organisations do not exactly do charity, but use the donated funds for the ego trips of increasing the number of jihadis or cross bearers,RSS has no need to increase the numbers,existing numbers if united,can destroy any evils in the society.Good of the humans is the god to society,evils are controlled by the good of the society,we need not wait for unseen,unheard god.God is the form of good of the society.
It is the duty of the good governance that all are ruled with rules of law,the governance which treats the poor peasents as dirt,bulldozes their land to make way for the industry is as wrong as Bush who bulldozed into Iraq.Budda who shares alfabets with this Bush is a shame for democratic society with his autocratic acts.
Wrong procedures lead to wrongs for citizens.
Your post says it all,Rama was the king and a executive,he adjudicated death after finding the accused guilty,Krishna stole the hearts of 16,000 gopikas,not their respect,chastity, so no moral wrong, but the issue here is all epics are happenings of that time,later glorified as epics,good of the epics show the good acts,ills in epics show the society to avoid such pitfalls,Rama was the king of the time who ruled with just acts,hence revered as maryada purushotham today,but humans individually can not be Gods, their acts can be good to society,that does not confer divinity to them as human flaws are in them,ultimate good is god of the society, good in all humans put together.Epics try to imbibe good of the society in each individual,that is all.
In all the acts of Rama one can see the rule of law taking effect. Krishna is not wrong in "stealing" the hearts,unlike todays traders of organs,epics are happenings of that time glorified for the future society to emulate the good of the society,now in democracy it is the rule of is the king.
I wont be surprised if the australian authorities are tracking this new form of terrorist in their country,who has become citizen to that nation,is spreading canards.
True, mind set with biased and prejudiced views can not have any meaningful exchange of thoughts.
Army is not there to kill anyone who is innocent,but terrorist come in innocent looking civil clothes and do the killings of innocents,is there any brand and special packaing marks for the terrorist, army personnel suffer from the mental distress and fatigue day in and out,looking like innocents,many terrorists hurl grenades, fire arms to kill. A few genuine mistakes should not be seen as routine,such mistakes have also been not tolerated.
Hate is not for muslims but for the attitude of some fanatics that they want to dominate the majority with arms,violence.The hate is for assertion that they are dominent, with their rights imposed,asserted on others in the society,not obeying the laws of the land,but only religious dictats of fanatic mullas who interpret the holy scripture for their benefits to incite violence.No religion has taught hate,even islam original has the holy scripture of pak Quran is not the one that is preached now,jihad against "kafirs" is twisted to mean other followers of faith,not muslims who do not live as per the tenets of holy scripture. A kafir is one who does not follow the tenets being the muslim,not anyone else from other faith,mullas and fathwas for monetary and material gains has made the islam a religion of violence.
Dont you worry young man,with infanticide of female foetus,a time will come when marriage between a male and female will be without caste and religious barriers.It will be living arrangement,as the society goes into survival mode without the shackles of clergies.
Phew, being ex indian,now that you are in a land where you feel safe to criticise indian,you are good spokesperson of violence. Afjal is finally after years of judicial process has been held guilty,even curative petitionis invalid and rejected by supreme court. So, "if" does not come in to picture,but the policy of votebank appeasements is in full view of the nation.As to army action, it is not that terrorists come in uniform and fight the war, their actions are all cowardly covert,hidden in civilian clothes,in the process many in army have died,some civilians become victims of the process as terrorists do not have identifications of uniform or any distictive style of jihad ?China aggression is different issue,it was shortsight of the rulers of the time that with Panchseel and bhai bhai approach we neglected our defence preparations,thanks to left in Congress and the active left of china in India. !
Who treated them as untouchables, it is the rulers from time to time,each caste bracketted itself as "backward"and robbed the dues of poor and downtrodden dalits,OBC today is the ruling class of India,manipulating the quota and reservation to benefit themselves,not to the deserving,society wanting to be politically correct overlooks and enjoys the tragedy.Governance is the good of governing should touch all lives irrespective of caste or religion.
None has seen worse and good in life ,for life of the society is long,that of individual is not.Still many good and worse things are in the womb of time.
Good governance demands the state to take care of all,every citizen,without fear or favour,not special to some,but those in the last must be facilitated with better opportunities,skills in life,what is happening now is creating a class of beggars and training them to beg more on caste, class.Even when they are at top,they still remain beggars,not performers.Teach one to earn,he will earn and eat, teach one only to beg,make him remain as beggar.
Yes, I would very much love that society where all humans love and respect each other,do not impose their beliefs on each other,but with Congress in power and selective appeasement being the game,is it possible for harmonious living at all ? Strong sections of all faiths make the stronger saociety,stronger nation,but if each section of the society fighting with each other,nation becomes easy target for the fanatic religion and agendas.
How wrong and offmark can be an observation if one is far removed with biased mind and prejudice is seen in this post. RSS unifies all indians to overcome the caste barriers and not fall prey for divisive politics of appeasements.It is the duty of all to be united in the nation above the caste and religious barriers.Each strong and robust section of the society only can make the nation strong and developed, not fighting sections of society,which destroys the peace and happiness.Let religion be way of life,why impose it on others with their faiths ?
Caste practice is an evil in indian society,but to limit it to only hindus is a joke,even after conversion to other faiths, the practise continues to prevail in life, as the converts say we are upper caste converts,it is visible in any religion, christians demanding the benefits for the converts,muslims asking for the favours on this line,governance favouring such demands is very much seen and experienced,the economic criteria irrespective ones caste creed or religion to deliver good of governance is the most wanting need of the citizens in India.Down trodden and poor are always ignored with empty promises and gestures only.Good of governance should reach all in society irrespective of caste,creed and religion.
Communal riots are not acts of terrorism,they are the action and reaction of violence,shall not be acceptable to any civilised society. Moot point is all these years, fringe fanatic muslims could get away after rioting,with compensations as appeasements,this time did not happen that way.Every time communal riots were seen invoked by Congress to score political points with the opposition parties,later rewarding the riot leaders and participants with "compensation" in kind,MLA,MP seats,monetary also. Now it is different, rioters get bullets whether hindu or muslim,that they deserve,only issue was,media went on with stale tapes,visuals,repeating the same story,never showed the sufferings of all the victims,selective appeasement to muslims only, to parade their secular credentials, to gain their awards.As to terrorism,hindus have not planted bombs in trains,no extremism is there when they retaliate the extreme acts of riots and that too when state machinery obliges a minority community in its illegal acts of sheltering terrorists,providing logistics,what else should citizens do when POTA is removed to help the friends of terrorists ? It is the duty of goverance to see that all its citizens safety is not compromised,has it been seen in free India. ? Divisive politics, first with communities,then with castes and languages,now with regions to fight with each other,the Congress that you see today is not the same that Congress that we hoped for good governance. BJP also has failed to unite the people as indians first,that does mean that hindus are, or a part are terrorists.They react to what has been thrust on them by the psuedo secularism being practised in the country,more than majority of muslims are peace-loving,want harmonious living in India,but fringe is the trouble makers with outside dollars helping them.
RSS< May be, Fascist ? That is the privilege membership of red brigade.
Yes, for sure, it is persons like Theesta with dollars flowing in from her terrorist friends that is crying like this,with your able support of wrong diagnosis. She even wrote a write up in Deccan Herald of this on saturday,but the issue here is there are no hindu terrorists, they are only becoming less and less tolerent of the atrocities and pay back in the same coin. RSS does not preach violence and also does not at the moment have all the hindus in its forld,that is the reality,but if the terrorist activities and the jihad of muslims continue unabated then all hindus will unite like Gujarath,give back waht they recieved without remorse,so watch out.
VIOLENCE BEGETS MORE OF IT.
No difference to the central government stabilty ? Sir, UPA without SP is just 220, 59 left MPs are a "must combine" now, for stabilty, that too with slender margin of 7 above water-level. ? Cascading effect of regional satraps who are now fence sitters will start after the UP results,Punjab inspite of blacksheep in media campaigning for Congress is slipping out,Uttarakhand is slipping, they are sure signs of reverse count for Sonia. !
Very correct, it may be interesting to read the article wriiten by Soli Sorabjee in todays Indian Express as to morals of Congress and UPA, by that moral standards,they should have resigned after the SC judgements in BIHAR and Jharkhand issues.
I have seen in Kashmir, the AAzan calls coupled with kill calls by your masjids in 50s,let us not use movie style to score points,truth of the matter is you do not want peaceful living in India,nor do you accept the fact that you are living on national exchequer.For you insaniyath is not the way of life,but jihad with twisted mind is ?
Young man,come out of your ghetto mindset,after shimla agreement the UN resolutions are not even valid,the mistake India did was not to close the chapter of Pakistan after Bangla formation. Either you are with us or you are terrorist, the language of Bush is most suited for you.Unfortunately,we as Indians are most tolerent, have more of your types than the muslim countries have,tolerated you enough,now it will be payback time,if you do not keep up with your pladge to Mahatma that you will live here in India as brothers. - watch out.!
Idealogy of communists is not for individuals,anyone dissenting is given one liner dismissals. ! And the idea is to attack individual in groups. !
I do not subscribe to the class and cast of hindu way of living,being ardent admirer of gandhian philosophy,but accepted his human fault lines as part of life, I did have the reservations that you hold today,but all that changed with my interaction with intellectuals in RSS,it is the propaganda war of Congress against RSS post 1950s, "as muslim hating upper castes" that is bugging you, my caste was never an issue,I had the true meaning of Sahanaa vavathu, sahanau bhunakthu, shaveeryam karavavahai in any RSS get-togethers. For those who could not follow the earlier line,it simply means let us be together in nation building - in action of living, eating,developing our individuality, with out caste barriers.
A wrong action can not be right with another wrong action, muslims were allowed to stay back and live like our brothers in India,it is for us to see that they honour their committment to live like brothers,correction is by right methods,not all muslims are evils,some who are,need the dandam dasha gunam churna. ?
No, muslims can be thrown in to sea- bay of bengal or arabian one, but they have a committment to keep to the nation, they pledged that they would live like good brothers,if not they should be made to understand their pledge.
Misguided missile of red bastion ?
Why should any government suppress the issue,kashmiris are free to raom anywhere in India,to do business anywhere in India,it is only others in India not so free to settle in Kashmir except as tourists. ? Further some misguided go to Pakistan and pak occupied kashmir without the knowledge of anyone, for the jihad training. ?
Why should any government suppress the issue,kashmiris are free to raom anywhere in India,to do business anywhere in India,it is only others in India not so free to settle in Kashmir except as tourists. ? Further some misguided go to Pakistan and pak occupied kashmir without the knowledge of anyone, for the jihad training. ?
Being a kashmiri you are in Delhi,welcome to the main stream,in Karnataka quite a few thousands are there for vocation of selling kashmiri artefacts and dress materials,but what about 5 lakhs of kashmiri pandits abused and forcibly thrown out of Kashmir,another three lakhs killed by the fanatics, and ofcourse some thousands have gone to Pak occupied Kashmir, for obivious jihad ?
I have no denial for the fact that some in uniform have the colonial hangover, to generalise that all police behave like that is far from truth,it is the politcians who use the state machinery to misuse the power,nexus of criminals in politics is with many bad eggs of police force,even CBI is not out of the radar.
Congress at present has 15 MLAs in UP out of 403,the real agenda is to rule UP by proxy,help Mayavathis' mayajal,so the dramatics.
Your perceptions can change to great extent if your mind is open to be in touch with swayamsevaks of RSS or visit to any of the shakhas,but if you are already with washed brains,nothing can help. ! Hindus divided with caste equations are no threat,but mere no-use small vote pools of 3 to 5 percent votes who can not decide the destiny of their motherland,united hindus have strength to change the happenings in India.RSS has in every efforts made hindus proud of themselves,to be cohesive force in the nation.
Come out of the caste ghetto you have made for yourself,all hindus are of same caste,we are one, we are for each other,we live to be good citizens in this nation,with other humans of any faith,but if they misbehave,we have right of self defence.
So, you are catering to 33 percent of the poor in India with red funds ?
Great novel idea,applauds please.Original one.
Are you paki sponsored ? Well as to LTTE,it was Rajiv and congress sponsored terror,he paid for it. Terrorists are not all muslims but muslims, not all are terrorists.Fanatic muslims are the terrorists unlike hindu fanatics who atmost beat up some youth for western aping,but do not kill innocents,which is also not acceptable.
HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!
Whatever has to happen will happen,such fatalistic stand is not fitting to human approach where the endeavour is to make it happen for good of all other humans. If not the comrade leaders will be thrown out into bay of Bengal,that may sure happen.
Sir, facts as seen and found to be correct or facts given out by left governance ?
are you by profession an anchor for any news channel, they have this habit of posing a long winding query and demanding a yes or no answer. ?It is settled matter that public good over-rides the individual good,in any civilised society,issue is what is that public good,is it to garner votes or is it to provide drinking water,health care,even then, the livelihood of an individual can not be deprived without providing alternate livelihood,no good governance will speak for or act in such measure.
Sonia seem to be thinking on this line of thoughts ?
If the UPA was really interested in governance,the farmers death all over india should have resulted in some succour for the poor widows,lame duck politician turned economist in PM is useless as Congress is.He only is good in reading out the speeches in female voice of his Sonia,his mistress's voice. !
Did your post touched raw note of sushil kumar shindhe the ex-governor of AP,who had pardoned the criminal goon of the murder. ?
Presidents rule is proxy rule of the congress as all the useless who are now posted as governors are one time boot lickers in Congress,may be with the exception of TN and karnataka.Some are even ex bureaucrats who served the Congress as intelligence officers to give critical inputs to score political points,UP governor is one such person,so citizens should be weary of such sycophants of Congress who have no interest of the nation but only self interest to be in posh post retirement benefits.Take the case of Sushil kumar Sindhe became governor to give pardon to Cong. goon and then court had to stop the clemency of this dual role person,now power minister looting NTPC. !
Yes, this is the correct perspective,kashmiris come and settle in delhi and elsewhere in India,but become easy prey for some fanatics,what should be done of such traitors to the nation. ?
Sonia and her venezuelan bahu should rule India ?
That would be blessing to citizens of the nation,LPG,phones,essential commodities would be available without the kickbacks to Congress. !
It is the terrorists who put in all these stories of fake encounters,for one hundred genuine encounters,may be there are 3 or 4 fakes because of the medal and reward factor,but kashmiris who are generally good,are getting un-necessarily projected as anti-nationals because of few fanatics like the one who talk of fakes,have you got courage to speak of the killings by your own kashmiris who torture and kill fellow kashmiris for their clout in the guise of moral policing.?
Only if killed is innocent,otherwise the terror games will contnue. Best way to deal with rabid terrorist is the bullet in the head.
Terrorist is a coward,he never owns his cowardly acts.He always targets innocents unconnected with his acts of terrorism.Bhagath Singh owned every act of his and went to galoows with a smile,did not prefer a clemency petition,even asked his parents not to file any petition.Same is the way of life of Azad,not the gulam of Kashmir. Gandhi sacrificed his personal life for his struggle with truth,not the untruth of any unholy scripture written and edited in medieval times,in the light of candles.He underwent every term of harsh life with fast to find the truth,which was harsh for a colonial power,has to hand over power inspite of its brute force and divide and rule. Now please think this over.
KIllers ? There was only one killer, Nathuram Godse, he did not run away from his crime,he proudly owned it,hung with a smile on his face,said he would do it again,if the nation needed such an exercise.Or to that matter take the case of Killers of Indira,they never denied their work,not like the terrorists of green shawls. ?
FORGIVE HIM,HE KNOWS NOT WHAT HE is RESPONDING TO.?
They both put them in gutters,unearthing was by the UP police,selectively. !
What is fake encounter ? the killing of a person who would have been punished with death sentence for the heinous crimes he committed,takes advantage of judicial system,to walk out on bail,with his money and connections,is killed in an encounter,is it fake. ? I would grieve for that person,if he is innocent,killed in an accident in fake encounter by the men in uniform to gain rewards,awards,but not that criminal,who escapes clutches of law,with the help of political/monetary connections,with the help of "criminal"lawyers.If Dawwod Ibrahim is killed in encounter, fake or genuine,it is well worth the effect.If Afjal is killed in encounter,even if it is a fake one, it is savings for the judiciary of its valuable time,sad only for votebank political parties like Congress.
Any idea how many killed by the moral police of fanatics of their own men by torture and shooting,one channel showed the graphic details of the acts of moral police in kashmir,who killed their own muslim brothers as they did not dress as muslims have to,or they suspected them to be abiding by the rule of the land. Any answers for this cruelty ?
Society getting frustrated at the happening in judicial proceedings,delay in judgements,fallible judges, citizen have taken law in own hands,which is not exactly right,but yes,if citizens encounter the criminal,punish him when judiciary fails,is it fake ? It happened when a rapist got bail 14 times in 15 cases,women,victims, marched in to court premises,killed him.It sure is wake up call to judiciary.
ELECTION EXPENSES. ?
Just as Parzania movie maker with his director has given saffron shawls, I wish,these fanatics show off with sculcaps and green shawls ?Atleast that would be more truthful. ?
Earlier underworld thugs if arrested would come out on bail,indulge in more killings of the innocents for their gains,in such an event,many in uniform,to control the menace of underworld thugs resorted to encounters, as the judiciary abetted by "criminal" advocates would take ages to adjudicate.Few blacksheep in judges even fudged with justice,as it is now well recorded with many cases.
Such blacksheep in media should be encountered with truth,most of the award-winners are casted in couch./sycophancy. ?
RSS believes in having nice relationship with every country in the national interest,not for kickbacks. RSS does not need votebanks as it is not in the politics of gains,but strives for the unification of hindus above the caste barriers,which is anathema for the psuedo-seculars and the blacksheep in media who thrive on sychophancy.
To get more logical,I am not surprised if the finger gets pointed towards Congress goons,by the largesse that is being bandied out to the victims in lakhs. ! Two birds with one hit,vote bank appeased,Lame duck PM gains some brownie points with statesmanlike statement,doing nothing about the tragedy. !
WHY BLAST HIM IN THIS TRAGEDY AT PANIPATH ?
This is bound to happen when governance is in the hands of a lameduck PM,discard Home minister,political gimmicks of POTA removal for appeasement.With assembly elections in the scene,sympathy is to be generated for vote banks,to make it wave of votes ? When the terrorists are rewarded with royal stay in jails making it guest houses for them all this is bound to happen.If it is a kashmiri, Cong CM of kashmir will jump to his defense,shameless lot who can not govern are the malady of the nation.
Very right.
Let us hope that the judges are not having the political masters to influence them,let us hope that they are true to their oath,judiciary may have lot to explain if they act in haste,as it it has been rightly stated by you, HC judgement is well deduced one from available evidence,none can raise any finger of doubt on the merit of the deductions,is my perception. But the societal conditions are such that none are infallible.As to media,it has only raised to the occassion to raise the conscious of the society to the ills of the system,that is all, may be with spice of sensationalism also.
AS I have been posting response earlier occassions,judges are also humans,from the same society that we live in,as fallible as any of us,let us hope that they will prove that they have no political masters,but are bound by the oath they took as they entered the office.CBI which fudged the evience for the rich and powerful may have to do lot of explaining as usual,HC judgement is well defined by logic,well evaluated the evidence,let us see the role of SC now as citizens with concern for justice.HC judgement is positively worth read.
Yes, she made heself look like a fool with all her antics,but this time she seems to be on the right track in protesting with the farmers,the illegal acts of the governance.Even some in left are finding it difficult to defend the CMs action. !
By the way are you aware how the congress and its hit men used the land reforms to enrich themselves ? On one side they snatched the lands and made a drama of distribution,then bought these lands even from dalits at throw away prices,by force,thuggery and with goon acts,latest exposure is that of lands owned by Y S Rajashekara reddy, in Andhra, thousands of acres,in his name,fathers name and family kith and kin. So much concern for dalits,poor and downtrodden. !
Tata may sell a dream and loot poor farmers land,that is what the original maruthi 8oo was about, started as poor mans' car project by the goon of Congress, Sanjay Phiroz. But it entered market as rich mans' toy.Even before the commercial production has commenced,the Tata is talking of the price being much higher due to infationery trend. ! Why the inflation,one basic hidden aspect is the hidden cost of corruption,bribery, cost of the thugs to secure the land and the work to get started.?
It is neither the government nor governance,it is few individuals with no vision or inclination for good governance,tend to use brute force,laws to make their pockets deeper, richer that this malady of illegal action is seen,in the name of development.The helpless,hapless poor farmer is the victim because by himself or even organised,he can not fight that easily, these criminal CMs./industry.Look at Punjab scenario, SEZs have created havoc,enough black funds to enrich the CM and his hangers on,the voters will teach them a lesson to remember,not with bullets as these CMs do,but with ballots.
Many do not understand the tactics of left goons, they assume they are agitators,it was leftist goons sent specially to put in the fear psychosis in to work.
Just as judgements of the judiciary are not routine and mechanical,the appeals also should be judicial.!!!! Unfortunately all judgements are not very judicious,as seen by revision,acquittals,strictures in the appealed cases. !
I hope you have had the occassion to read thru my posts on this matter, i specifically state,that governance has no role in buying the land and re-selling it to industry,let the industry buy it at market rates,build cow shed on it or use it as they wish,why sould the ministers indulge in the buy and sell of the hapless and helpless,have they got the guts to touch the farm-houses outside Delhi,of the powerful rich,developed with ill gotten wealth ?These farm houses are used for converting the black wealth,to launder the illgotten wealth,again used commercially for weddings and celebrations,generating more un-accounted wealth,Chettinad FM has no balls to touch these rich filthy powerful,his wife carries the brief for these with IT appeals ? All income is claimed as agricultural income.-tax free.!
Citizenship to a dead person,it is possible only in India ?
There was a time when technology was not so developed,now with strides in technology outpacing everything,the "strategic" location is no more a great barrier that can be a hinderence to develop industry.Logistics have developed so much, that with metro cities, many capitals now the air cargo can be lifted from remote cities,be it flower of floriculture,fruits from fruits gardens, freezer trucks and roads have been developed,land moving machinery cuts the work time by over 8 times compared to manual work of levelling the lands,road making,that being the case,the question that crops up is why the strategy of taking up the poor farmers lands nearer to cities not the barren lands to develop the industry with modern machinery and technology ? Why not buildings that harvest rain water and are eco-friendly to save water and re-use it ?
A personnel of judiciary sits late in the night ignoring his pubic interest to decide the case that it should be heard by constitutional bench,even when it is beyond his jurisdiction,to favour his son,who is lawyer for the client,then buys lands worth 7 crores for his pubic interest for just 5 lakhs are the judiciary now,so it is a matter of concern,he is getting approved for promotion and elevation to higher office. So also the judges who gave stay orders in single judge orders,delayed the investigation by decades in matters of national importance,adorning the higher offices is matter of concern as judges have looked as fallible as a aam admi.
They make their victims weak,first by promises of equality and justice,then by pointing out that they are weak,so need their help.Right from the days of trade unions,the comrade leaders never had a days hard work,comrade followers let them live on the hard earned money given as subscription and comrade leaders made merry at the cost of poor workers talking of giving justice.
You are right in your perception of the judges,but recent events have proved that the judges are as fallible as anyone else in society,they seem to be more in pubic interest than in public interest,going by the recent case of a judge whose wife has property worth 7 crores for 5 lakhs,the judge approved by collegiate to be chief justice of a high court,case of another judge in Mumbai using underworld to recieve and return favours is not isolated cases,many go un-noticed because of vigilence of citizens is lax. Judges are as fallible as any humans in this society,very few are clean,a case in the point is that of chief justices of SC,retired,who fudge with their birth records,to curry favours,judges who give their learned reports on riot cases are not only indicative of their greed,also of their pubic interest. !
If you were a farmer with one and half acres of land,you and your wife with children toil in that land for the 325 days in hot sun and rain,you would not have uttered these words. !Let Mamatha and her hangers on protest or go to hell,as citizen I am concerned about the right of a poor farmer,wgho was spending his life on his piece of land with burden of hard work to make a living, land costing 25 lakhs plus, is compensated at 6 lakhs, what he should do with that money which even if invested will not give him enough returns to have a decent meal ?
Now that high court has confirmed the illegality of ban orders at Singur, will the comrades understand that brute force is not the need of democracy ?
Left has been only practising the morals,immoral bunch of comrade leaders,when it suits them,throw away the idealogy along with Marx,only statue is kept ,of bust height,bust philosophy,burst leaders. !
After all judges also came from where other humans came from,not infallible. ?
Sir, it is not only morally wrong, even legally it is wrong,the issue of public interest is to be defined,in general decided cases,it is about the roads, national highways,public hospitals etc, not privately owned lands for industrial use to benefit few hundred at the cost of 997 families.It is for the private benefit of the kickbacks of comrade leaders,selective choice of picking the pockets of few paise to earn crores. !
Sir land acquisition in pubic interest is different from the public interest.!
Sir, is there any doubt about left leaders that they are above corruption with a exception of a very few old bandicoots who stick to dead idealogy ? Huge kickbacks according to sources are the main reason for the brutal acquisition of the "leaders" comrades going the industrial way, tata is only an indicator of the deper malady that has set in Bhadralok.Salim group according to international trade winds has paid in few hundred crores to the red brigade.Earlier they lived on subscription of the salary earning members,now that the globalisation is in the wind,they encash it for their progeny,with idealogy gone for a toos,there is this survival instinct of humans that is at work with comrade leaders.!
I have quite a few good muslims as my good family friends,educated, family planned like any decent family. And I have quite a few others,who are not educated but struggle to give good education to their limited number of children,but the mullas poison their thinking with jihaad,and ills break out like virus.If only the clergies gave thought to insaniyath more than the majhab,this tragedy would not occur in society.
Hey, where is sandal wood and the termite ridden jungle wood. ! If Mahatma is Chandan,this fake is termite ridden junglewood.
I very much appreciate your response,but also let me add, i had highest respect for the PM,but as he turned out to be politician,Iwas dismayed at the rapid change in him to survive in the gutter of politics,instead of cleaning the system he has contributed to it,the worst example that i can share with you is his visit to Vidarbha, to share the time with poor widows of the farmers who committed suicide for the paltry sums like 20-25 thousands of borrowed money. His hangers on like the state in charge margaret Alva,wanted the widows for photo opportuniy, absolute no concerns,the touring party having sumptous lunch while the poor widows and children waiting in hot Sun for hours,special package "announced" but not in sight of the needy,what does economis has got to do if it can not deliver what is promised ? Hence I term him as lame duck,blue turbanator,useless, sycophant of Sonia,with clean image tainted by the lives of poor. As to magic wand,it is in the hands of each citizen,conscious,alert, to demand accountabilty of each elected one, for good governance, to deliver good of democracy to each citizen with out fear or favour,without the barriers of caste and faith.Vigilent citizen is magic wand for the society,more the better results. ! Can PM take a single decision in the welfare of the aam admi without the repercussions of being hampered by the "vote" consideration ?
My friend,even the global super power has soft underbelly of poverty,people live in carton boxes,pavements even in America.!
What was TN govt, doing when the farmers were eating rats - they promised rice at 2/- kg,could they not spare some meat for these farmers at subsidised price which is normal populist scheme of things in TN ? As to water in river Kavery,it is well known with increase in population,decrease in forest cover in catchment areas of kaveri,water is depleting over the years,even at Bhagamandala where traditional holy dip is taken there is no water,so temple authorities have now made check dams to retain the level at atleast four feet,which otherwise is just six inches. Except mettur dam,can the TN not make arrangement to conserve the rain water in to amn made lakes for latter use ? The intention is not to be emotive,but pragmatic practical solutions are the needs today.Look at Coovam,1600 crores are spent and look at the state of affairs,which should have been life line for Chennai, instead it has become stinking sewerage of Chennai.
Well said, but when wrong is seen and felt,the remedy lies in approaching the court also for the review ?
I share your concern and anguish for the farming community both in Tamilnadu and karnataka,but issue here is with population growth,unpredictable monsoons, the TN has responsibilty to care and share the precious water in river Kavery. At the time of surplus,rain water is allowed to flow into ocean,fall back on stored water at karnataka,instead of populist schemes of the governance,TN could do well to invest in man made lakes to conserve water,harvest rain water,so also Karnataka. Issue crops up when monsoon fails,not otherwise,even tribunal is silent on this issue.
Well said,while TN farmers take out three crops,have advantage of both the south wset and north west monsoons,the issue crops up because K'taka farmers are forced to take out only two crops,as the demand for drinking water in Mysore and bangalore is ever increasing thanks to the IT enabled developments.More over, in the last six decades,TN has not made any concrete efforts to store the water in times of surplus,with storage facility like man made lakes,which can increase tourism with water sports etc. Busy with doling out populist schemes and aligning with centre irrespective of which one rules at the centre,TN has been only populist rule,not developmental governance.
It is the linguistic fanatism and emotions for which the tamilians have made themselves noteworthy. !Farmers of both the states suffer equally or little more in Karnataka when the draughts hit,the issue here is what has the govt. of Tamilnadu done to store water for the lean days ? About lorries and other vehicles,it is the attitude of the drivers, a small indiscerte talk can cause havoc, hence the precaution,hope you remember the incident where the film crew of Karnataka were ill treated at Ooty,leading to 1991 unrest in Karnataka ? Tamilians here are now learning kannada for good, forgetting their fanatism,language is for communication,not for fighting with each other.
Have you read the story of two cats fighting over the sharing of butter, a monkey adjudicating the quantum of butter for the cats,eating all the butter monkey walked away. ! Here the issue is about caring for the river waters,sharing the water in times of draughts,at all other times river is lifeline to both the states. The state governments have to care for the river water,store and preserve it for lean days,that is not happening in TN,they use the centre to pressurise for the release in lean days.Manmade lakes,rain water harvesting in both the states can help all farmers,but the politics is the game of blaming each other and raising the emotions for destructive acts.
In south India lots of kashmiri youth come and have trade of artefacts and cloth materials to trade with,but unfortunately few have started to be traitors,and talk of freedom movements, in south,we normally do not hate muslims,as we have been living peacefully,but these freedom strugglers have caused suspicion on innocent muslim youths also,what have you got to say for this fanatic traitorship activities of few ?
Defender of every terrorists says the same statement time and again,moot point is why did you chuck out peaceful kashmiris who were not muslims,why did you survive on indian funds and now want to be traitors,thali me ched bhi kiya,khana bhi kaya ?
Very right,after total dicredit of spin doctors in media,now they want to have some more fun at his cost ?
WHICH 'PEN' IS IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS.?
Who prevents muslims to qualify with education suitable for Government office,not the madrasa but real education. What prevents them to join the police forces,when they do not even wish to qualify for the jobs in police force. ? How many muslims except those little less than 5 % in salaried jobs honestly pay taxes on their income ? Most of the muslims in society if you see around with open minds,you will see in business with cash transactions only,so as per statstics,all are below poverty line,inspite of owning house, vehicle and lifestyle,all is in "cash",no Pan numbers,and most of them avail bank loans only to willingly default.With similar names many have audacity to say that I am Mohd. Ibrahim, not Ahmed Ibrahim who is not me,being the borrower himself. !No doubt there are many others who resort to this cash only way of life,but muslims excel in "black" life.
What is wrong in visiting the function of RSS and then form an opinion,after understanding the role of RSS, atleast it will not be biased outbursts of a left indoctrined brain. ?
Unless one visits the ensemble,the terms that you have used become words of fancied imagination,biased opinion. !
The statement of the CBI dierector looks as if he was an abettor when accused did the crimes. !
Is the UPA governing at all ? Individuals without any responsibilty to the nation and citizens are busy with catering to their individual needs. !
Kya silly hai bhai ? the statement is the matter of facts,in Gujarath atleast.
Sharieff waise hee rahega,haivan ban ne ka koshish bhi nahi karega.
But they are not defects beyond rectification like that of UPA ? Collective leadership wore thin with power at centre for six years,hence the defects are seen,to be corrected in time for the next change at the centre. !
Sir, wrong perceptions or deliberate rantings ? It is well known that India was more peaceful without appeasement and acts of terrorism during NDA rule barring few stray incidents,ofcourse media always prefers NDA bashings ! With Congress - LPG short supply,high inflation and resultant high corruption and miseries of common man is so common that even media considers this as routine and not newsworthy,hence goes for malfunction of wardrobes !
Are you confusing yourself with BJP, VHP and office-bearership ? For a swayam-sevak,the post and position is immaterial,moreover,it is good if the political wing - BJP has collective leadership rather than one tall individual,then the sycophancy would not be there. In a way it is the stoppage of congress culture in BJP which had started with groupism in second line leaders.
THe director of the film is known hard core propaganda man of Congress, my strong reservation is for showing the rioters in saffron shawls,did he have the courage to show the tri-color shawls or green shawls in the riots ? Rioters are rioters,nothing else.
Citizens will see many more mad dogs if the appeasement and partial good delivery of the system continues,patience of the common man is wearing thin by the view of the politician and babu enjoying the seven star meals at the cost of the hungry stomachs of the poor and downtrodden. !The rich industrialists snatching the lands of the poor,rich educationists charging the abnormal fee for the education,not delivering the proper jobs as promised in the package deal, celebrity doctors charging fee for scans which are not needed, are they not sufficient to the surge of adrenalin ?
Sir, the system in which we live has failed to address injustice,take the singur case,the farmers were branded as ultra lefts with trinamool workers,beaten up for their appeal not to forcibly take the lands. Are they bhajrangis ?Or the Nandigram farmers who are listed as naxalites,by the left govt, are they bhajrangis ? If the rulers with kickbacks take over lands of the poor for pittance to hand over to rich industries,the protests are inevitable,similarly if injustice,atrocious behaviour if not checked retaliation of the people can turn violent,which is bad for democracy,but it is happening.In your cited instance,the institute of management studies charges huge fees with job assurance to the graduates but failed to keep its part of the deal,students demanded justice,or refund of the hefty payment.
WITH VALID POLITICAL REASON,WHENEVER ALL THE STATES HAVE ELECTED cONGRESS,kARNATAKA HAS GONE IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION,WHENEVER NDA WAS AT CENTRE kARNATAKA HAD cONGRESS AT KARNATAKA. cONGRESS president Indira was rejected lock stock and barrel, Karnataka sent her back to Delhi,with good majority,that is sycophancy of south at its best. In TN politicians aligned with centre whichever was the ruler.
With earnest request,we invite you to Karnataka like other million tamilians who have settled here,having skilled or semi-skilled jobs,only other request is keep your emotional outbursts away in TN only.
Specially for this reason,the farmers of both states met at mandya and vowed to keep calm and promised each other to be good to each other just three weeks before the tribunal award.
Courtesy is a two way currency,as to irrigation,why have you people made the mess of Coovam river with sewerage and stench,where did 1600 crores go cleaning it ?
Yes, it can,it has done it as can be seen with better contents in their programmes.Initial eyeball attraction lasts for a while, latter it is the contents,not outer packing which matters.
Pun poked was too good.!
very right, it is the thought that matters,not the origin. ! Male or female brain with experience and intellect can give good thoughts to the society to act upon for good of the society,gender hardly matters.
Language is for communication, color or colour both indicate the same ? Chennai or Madras,it is the same city, Bangalore or Bengalooru,any change ? Cauvery was the official spelling, the present current usage is Kavery, so what, river is the same,water is still dakshin ganga.
No other country has the population and limited resouces as India has.
With mad Manda Raja postponing the decision,population of all the states on the increase,agrarian demand for water ever increasing,it is time that citizens thought of water harvesting in rural areas also to conserve water for future use,live with what we have.
That is life my dear friend,many times messages get blocked by vested interests, even funny or informative thoughts are blocked. !
Jade goody must be screaming- in India - this racist remark beats anyone published till now. !
wherever one goes for the material life,my friend,janani janma bhoomish swargadapi gariyasi,home land is heaven.,we can make it so.All the dollars can not give the state of happiness,content feel, that you can get in mother india,it is my personal experience.
Please do not overlook the babus ,the beauracracy is the worst termite in india.
yes, citizens concern for the development,alleviation of poverty is genuine,but the problem is all the attempts are getting cornered by the not so poor who have right connections ! The poor labour which migrates from one state into another corner of india searching for the roti,lives in cement spent bags jopdi of a makan,makes roads for the rich to drive with the Skoda, Accent, safari and scrpio cars, is still earning only rupees fifty a day or even less,with four or five kids playing in the construction sites,not in schools. And the rozgar yojana for the villagers is only to pocket money meant for the poor by rich,blue turbanator and his chettinad biryani of FM are not even worried about it,but enamoured by rise of sensex. !
with begging bowls at state chief ministers for subsidised lands and spending billions in acquisition,mere ego trip,my friend. Why should they seek agrarin lands for industry,they who can spend billions on acquisitions of business,can they not invest few hundred crores to develop barren lands for roads and industry and infrastructure. ?
Congress and psuedo secularists and few left indoctrined brains in media love the occassion,to hype it for the bank rolls to trip over,votebanks to prosper,common man suffers but that is small matter for the votes and carpet baggers of democracy.
Friend, janshedpur was developed from the scratch,roads,colonies for the staff etc, like the Tatas Mitapr in Gujarath,everything started from the scratch,unlike near Kolkatta,singur is well developed area just 40 kms, from the main land,developed,brutal handling by police of the farmers is a sham in democracy that too in left ruling state.Ofcourse they perhaps follow the chinese method of tianman square.!
Truth of the matter is the greed now creeping in the left leaders with tonnes of money from overseas groups,they have already taken the kickbacks hence have to go ahead with killer schemes.The very same left leaders who were frugal in lifestyles have few exceptions and most of them are now aristocratic in life.!
I do not really understand the approach of Tatas in acquiring lands, that too agricultural lands, in developed area near Kolkatta when they can have resources of 11 billion to buy Corus, can they not spend few crores to buy the land at equitable rate from the waste barren,develop it into industrial hub without hitting at the poor farmer ? Development should mean to the industry,total development of barren lands with roads and township for the industry,then it is commercial activity to the nedd of the nation. PSUs when they started in early 50s and 60s where situated in barren lands,PSUs developed the lands around them,gave jobs to the locals depending on their ability,it is different that later they became ponds of breeding nepotism by the powerful.Private sector with good access to primary funds market can definitely think out of box solutions to human miseries,whether it is tata or Birla,they can start earning honest goodwill ?
TV channels have their hands full in malfunctions of wardrobes in fashion show,ash-abhi marrirage and splits of celebs,they rarely do go for news,most of the breaking news of some sundry news goes on and on for the entire day to continue for weeks in 24 x7 channels. If only they took the initiative to go to see the electorate of each MP all across the political spectrum, irrespective of the party, each year they could ensure a sum of 1600 crores to be well used for the needy and down trodden,by way of village roads,schools, sanitation, 2 crore per MP is not small sum if used properly.Channels seem to focus on vip MPs only,unfortunately most of the vip MPs have forfeited the MPLAD fund in helping the moles in bureaucracy with their front organisations.
Many in India also carry the donor cards,more importantly,inform the wish to near and dear ones,notify the fact of being the donor to the nearest hospital with facilities to harvest the organs,for use, in India there are over 50,000 donor card holders,but a small drop in the ocean of one billion.The organs have to be harvested within 6 hours of death.
True, he is child like in his enthusiasm for good of life,I had the good fortune of working with him in VSSC, Veli, Kerala few years ago when he was developing the solid fuels for the PSLV.
Friend, here the power of "one" comes in to play in democracy, each one motivating another to form action and reaction chain,public opinion rising to crescendo can drown any ills of democracy,like it did in 1977.After emergency, the ballots proved the point not the bullets.
Sir, MPLAD funds are for the electorate,to be used wisely to aam admi and his better living, that it is used for the benefit of self seekers is true,but not meant for that ? Even rozgar yojanas for the employment of the rural poor are being misused ,sadly, villagers are named in the rooster,but paid pittance,those objecting for the less payments find out of favour.This happens with active connivance of the officials and politicians hangers on. I had the misfortune of having seen the misuse in quite a few districts,sad,but true, news channels also seem to have lost track of this misuse.
Yes my friend, as citizen I share your anguish, it is India shining in small islands of development, vast deserts of hunger and poverty need more attention,not the slogans.The elected if only make concerted efforts to co-ordinate their local area development funds in their area,that would be good beginning.Schemes to alleviate poverty and to enable the poor to live a dignified life is very much there,but the babus right from the Tahsildar lever collude with contractors nominated by corrupt politicians eat away even the poor mans livelihood. !
Very aptly expressed opinion needs attention of every right thinking citizen of India.He has proved the true meaning of being secular Indian.
You are right in your thinkings, media needs a better self regulation and more introspection,as otherwise their credibilty would be at stake. Some channels claiming to be number one are fast loosing the test of credibilty,thanks to NDTV which though occassionally turned sycophantic,for me it is still numero uno.Ofcourse some anchors tend to be psuedo secularists when it comes to appeasement policies of Congress. ? I have healthy respect for the credibilty of NDTV.
Well said, that is the practical side of the entire issue,but stings and the opinions of media are not very positive in their approach of sycophancy,as seen in the state of the nation show run by ibn channel,the debate and polls on Mumbai polls was a farce to promote Congress,rebuffed by citizens inspite of the efforts of Hindustan Times,a known supporter press of Congress,the poll predictions went for a toss, NDTV has to be congratulated for the best impartial coverage,Srinivasan jain was good in his programmes of " Witness" also though he apes much of the mannerism of Dr. Prannoy Roy, a poor copy at that.Citizens are clever enough to know that an angel is not preferred over a known devil. ?
Better governance stems from citizens demanding the accountabilty of every arm of democracy. Vigilent society can achieve the desired results.
Well defined, citizens who are responsive and responsible can hold everyone in governance accountable and vigilent society can achieve better results in India.
Sentiments would be on much higher happier plane if the relatives understand that thier beloved has given life to many others even after the death.Please do pledge your organs for cadaver transplants,it helps quite a few living dead.For every born, death is certain,if one can be of use even after death,in material world along with good thoughts of his/hers that would be great for humanity.
Tehelka and Times now, beamed "excusive " exclusive expose of the nexus of police and politicians in the nithari murder case,attempt to shield the accused Moninder after accepting some 3 lakhs of rupees by the circle inspector.The excuse of the tehelka lacks the punch in the expose,why should samajwadi party shield Moninder, the accused for only money when he is known close to Congress with MP of Congress Brar being his relative. ? More over Tehelka has lost all credibility as its exposes have always been of opposition parties,be it NDA allies or others,never a single culprit from Congress, is it that Congress is funding the sting or supplying the sex workers for the sting of tehelka ?
One of the english channels gave "state of the nation" with H times and CSDS and has got bruised very badly for the imposed views of the statstics,it is now the time of the voters to have informed judgement,not the influence of so called poll pandits,in the process channels who indulge in propping up the sagging item numbers of congress have suffered from loss of credibilty.Vidarbha farmers suicides,lame duck PMs visits with nil results,minority appeasememnt with Sacchar jhoot committee report have all boomranged on Congres now in Maharashtra,next in all states,the state of congress in all states will be doom.
Most of the citizens seem to overlook the aspects of organ transplant in living beings from one to another, it is my earnest appeal to all citizens to get to know about the "cadavar" organ transplants that are quite successful in giving life to the living ones after the death of an individual,Justice Chnandrashekar,Karntaka high Court,retired, had donated all the body parts after his death, by a simple pre-death will, so that he lives on in the society today,in the organs that are useful to many a people,. Unfortunately, we have not yet realised the fact that a dead person is also useful to the society,even after death, if he/she donates his eyes,kidneys, lungs, skin,liver etc. When this is not done, trade in organs with unscrupulous rich is rampant,young buds are nipped in the bud,as young organs are more adaptible to new body.Readers digest had come out with details of organ donors and benefits to society by the organ transplant,but in India, "trade" is driving force. Even the investigators try not to speak of this angle as the dirty side of the society would be seen.It is regrettable that quite a few innocents are victims of the organ trade,if only good laws and regulations are in place for cadavar organ transplant this mess could have been alleviated.
First and foremost, India has the human resources which no country can match, better practises on use of this resources,coupled with eradication of bandicoots in public life who destroy human values for selfish purposes,better policies to make the educated resources value-conscious,better work ethics will drive India to be a super power. Natural resources flora and fauna are used in eco friendly approach, can make India , a happier place and better nation in the comity of nations.
The utterings of Shilpa that she has forgiven and forgotten perhaps reflects the larger values of indians,further she says she does not intend to leave UK with hurt in her mind,no ill feeling towards her tormentor,that is really graceful.
Come on dear one, life is short,let us make it sweeter,by forgive and forget,it is divine,more humane in the world where for petty remarks we should not loose sight of our own ills in the society,we have the upper and lower castes where this sort of things have to be set aside,reforms to accept every human irrespective of his birth is more important than the caste discrimination, each citizen to get the good of freedom is critical for the welfare of the nation.
In doordarshan the ads of sathyagraha and gandhijis words and gems of sathyagrahas are beamed,it is in a way making fun of Congress, for one gem says about the genuine urge to find truth, todays Congress which lives on untruth is making a laughing stock of itself in the nation. ! Each and every time a virtue of sathyagraha is beamed,citizens will not miss the irony of contrasts in todays Congress of sycophants and the congress of freedom fighters. !
Yes, this is a chance for the CBI to show the nation that they really are in business of investigation, and are accountable to the money they spend of tax payers. !
Surprisingly,the face of the servant was covered,not of Pandher,what sort of treatment is this ?
When the wheels of justice do not move without greasing the palms of the bench-clerk,when judges give adjournments for the heck of it,the justice is delayed to be denied,civilised society looses faith in the system,hence the proverbial,law will take its own course, in other words, law takes the course of the pushers and peddlers of justice,when investigative agency such as CBI takes ten or more years in investigations, anothet fifteen years in prosecution of the accused,judges give clean chits on the lack of evidence,even though they feel there is guilt in the accused,lawyers play with law books to make it look like an ass,civil society does what it is known as - mob,thanks to the mob built for votes.!
On the eve of Republic day,in democratic India why create the blocks my dear friend,let us strive to eliminate the blocks,mental or otherwise,let the good of freedom reach each of the citizens irrespective of the block. !Jumping the que to get the benefit first to ourselves has to give way to orderly flow of benefits of democracy to all. ?
Sex attracts ! But to say media was ignorant is not exactly on the mark,my friend, it was a good report on NDTV which uncovered the racket of kidney sales in Tamilnadu,for the rich from the poor victims of tsunami,and stem cell research angle was neatly covered by Times Now, but some how all the channels seem to downplay the organ trade angle which is patronised by the rich and powerful,lots of money and big people being involved,media also may be little circumspect. ?
True, that is why debate and find ways to correct the course.!
Why beg for even the gala-sada grapes,my dear friend, come out of the fixed orbit,truth will shine on you,skills to live with dignity,education not to be in slogan shouting begging brigade,vocation of self help,not waiting for the job in government office, they are ways to better dignified life. ! Even a pan beeda shop yields with hard work a decent livelihood.
Those living in glass houses come and visit the villages bearing the dusty roads with empty promises to build the roads, build the avenues for opportunities and forget the promises once the votes are counted,the visit is for the next elections,with better air conditioned cars, citizens must ask the elected the work done by them for the electorate,once this accountability starts to haunt the elected things will improve.
It is with dismay that I observe the political game of parties in the nation,the italian godmother screeched kafan chori for the last elections on non-issue of the defence minister,then,the real culprit were bureacrats in defence ministry,now the same godmother is playing with corpse for votes.
Equality before law,before the the society is the fundamental requisit for a dynamic society in democracy.
The fact that the accused are manhandled by the citizens is not a good sign of democracy,it is the judicial system which has to seek truth and prosecute the accused,then the justice will be done. if citizens take law into their own hands,it reflects how irresponsible the CBI has been in the entire fracas. !
Good govenance in democracy means the elected representatives stick to their oath of office as they enter legislature that they uphold rule of law,without fear or favour,equity and justice is automatic,if they stick to their oath.
Your analogy is absurd,to start with,even then for the sake of logical arguments alone,the person with lower height has to equip himself with the skills to pluck the grape,by himself,now he is expecting the grapes to be delivered to him without any efforts from his side. ! Average height of indian is 5ft 6 inches,those who can not develop skills to perform and earn, will be only beggars for benefits,not earning them by the efforts. !
Seeing at the palms is not the solution,using them as fist to CBI is the better option.Hammer some sense into these poodles.
Let big industrial houses do the economic activity of nation building along with development of barren lands to the nation, any way instead of taking up developed agrarian lands they can as well take undeveloped lands as economic activity,gramin sadak yojana and rozgar yojana can help in the venture instead of politicians buying the agrarian lands to favour bosses of the industry.
Well said.
As a citizen observer of autonomous investigating agency, CBI, it is observed that in the last 25 years the CBI is a poodle of ruling politicians and rich,it becomes a hound only to poor citizens,bares its fangs, otherwise it is mere poodle,and as I say these words time and again many rated the thoughts as offensive, but the facts speak for themselves. In each case where rich and elite and politicians and brother officers,their kith and kin involved,the work has been shoddy cover ups. After investigations the selective approach to prosecute the weak links of the chain and weaken the evidence against the powerful is clear indication of low calibre,work ethics and morals of officers in CBI.Now it comes as no surprise as the twist and turns happen to cover up the rich pervert and throw the servant to the wolves.And it will not surprise me if there is sting on lifestyle of retired CBI officers as to how well they live with ill- gotten wealth and appeasements and favours they extended to the powerful.
Well percieved good thoughts.Buddhism which Ambedkar embraced had started with ideals of non-violence, enlightened living, non worship of idols, but today the very followers have all idols at every street corner,for hiding their crime behind the idols. !
And an axe for surgical precisions in cutting human limbs as reported earlier in the version of Forensic experts. ? These experts had said earlier that the limbs were cut with surgical precision. ?
How did we made them accountable in murder cases of Jessica lal,Mattoo, and latest sathyendra dubey case ? In dubey case the CBI caught some pick pockets and closed the case as investigated with accused (some them) committing suicide in their custody.Now courts are hauling CBI over the hot-coals for shoddy investigations as the public opinion is getting worse about the shoddy investigations and the style of CBI in the case of MP of Congress M K Subba.
Police of civilised society are meant to protect the citizens from the crimes of the criminals,so citizens have to trust police,but condemn the wrong acts of few dirty eggs in police, not the entire police,for there are good cops in force along with the blacksheep like in CBI also who get in with political masters blessings. ?
CBI has started the game of discounting the role of police of UP by its act of "finding " out an axe of a murder weapon of the servant accused,no doubt the investigation of UP police was shoddy to say the least,but CBI now seems to be taking the angle of giving advantage to project Congress as super saviour of the UP state with undermining the role of UP police,protecting the chamchas of Congress involved in organ trade,accused and jailed earlier ? Axe they say,what about the surgical instruments found earlier ? Media also seem to lap up the privileged information of CBI investigation as gospel truth with out hidden spin doctoring motives. ?
If the recent past records of investigations of CBI to go by, it is not very flattering, the courts had to pull the CBI over hot coals. !
Come on, dear one, let us not be so critical of each other,but let us be critical of the wrongs in the thoughts of each other to correct the thought process and a healthy debate,? You should know the fact that the police stations are classified by the bribe earning possibilty of that area, the posts are secretly negotiated to place the right officer to collect the maximum bribe, to protect the right chelas of the politicians when they indulge in criminal activities,this are known to all in society,some notice it, some talk about it,we have to make efforts to change these ills.
Very true,my dear one, it was not exactly racism,it was abuses alround,most uncivilised behaviour of a citizen in a game show,of the most civilised society,UK. ! A peek show to the underbelly of the civilised society to all the world.
Unless one is ready to get fooled none can make one a fool. !
Slangs thrown around were not exactly flattering the image of the most civilised society - UK ?
True, your train of thoughts have substantial truth in them,but see the other facts also,today Islam in the hands of clerics is religion which preaches hate,not love,that is human frailty, misuse of scriptures to material gains by clerics sacrificing humans for numerical strength and terrorising others in society.
Abuses and uncivilised behaviour of not so Goody Jade is observed by all,but it was not racism,it was sheer arrogance of discard celebrity in most civil society.- the ugly underbelly of it.
Please do not be so racist in your observation,humans all over are the same when it comes to monetary gains,atleast most of them !
Yes, some are friends of terrorists, some lauder money for the underworld,some are one night stands for gulf rich,so what, ultimately filmi celebrities are as human as any one else when it comes to money. !
Hear all,watch all,listen all,make use of the experience and wisdom,make your decision,wise say.Unless evil and good is seen and experienced,how to distinguish them. ?
Hey, are you born after 1980 ? For that matter in 1947, people were victimised and thrown out of kashmir based on their way of life, they are still refugees in their own lands. Islam was the evil one, voicing the instructions on Masjid tops with loud speakers,to kill the humanity. Islam unless comes out of the clutches of the clergies and the followers of islam listen to their own voice from within, understand their own scriptures as way of living better life, fanatism will be there so also the hate campaign of terror.What is happening now with shia domination in Iraq,is also shameless exploitation of fanatic revenge. Why should another nation come and correct the society of its evils, can we not do it ourselves. ?
By that standards, all the soaps on tv channels with saas,bahu are playing with sentiments of the people.Human weaknesses are portrayed, encashed with trp, what is the big deal ?The breaking news,exclusives with silly items of man biting dogs are also playing to galleries to catch the eyeballs of viewers,not the real news which is hidden in one liners which effect millions of people in day to day life. Like the policies on SEZs, policies on pricing of cooking gas,kerosene are all one liners in news,but not this fantastic sob of Shilpa?
Racism was there,is there,will be there,even in India what do we call a foreigner when one lands here ?- phirangi, that is on his colour of the skin, so what is the big deal ? We recognise the malady,control the same to minimal,terrorist outfit in Asia are not all brown-skinned,converts from all over are also there in the outfits,again it is vigilent society which takes note of ills and corrects itself is the need of the hour.As to slums, they are there in every country, even in America there are populace which sleeps on pavements and carton boxes.It is the need of the society to make good governance possible by providing the sheltor to all by national efforts,without the barriers of caste, religion,that is good in democracy.
Shilpa in her own way shown others as to how to handle rabid brains. And as to celebrity payments,it is clear when rape is inevitable, sleep and enjoy it !
HEY, NEITHER IT IS VERY SERIOUS,WHAT DO WE CALL A FOREIGNER VISITING iNDIA - A PHIRANGI, SO IS IT NOT RACIST COMMENT, WHAT IS THE BIG FUSS. ?Racism is there,we have made a note of it,let us try to be good humans,Shilpa has shown as to how to respond to such rabid comments of deranged brains.Politicians in UK have gained little mileage out of all this as usual.
Debate yesterday night with panellists on the row of racism was good programme anchored for once, with a good appearence of the anchor,in good form,the true ode to womanhood, Barkha was stunning, both with looks and intellectual ability,for once the indoctrined left,modern brain was in hiding.The programme was worth the watch,so also the other anchor, Nidhi in late night news edition,they looked beautiful women with substance,not the artificial flowers with no fragrance. ! As to Shilpa and her histrionics, she is good for what she is paid for, the job of being in the house of big brother,as to racism,it is always there whether we talk about it or otherwise,it is there in India as seen in south north, east west divide, Assam imbroglio is the home grown scene of the same racism.What is the big fuss,let us try to come out of the mess,created in colonial rule.
Some wise say,if rape is inevitable,lie down,as well, enjoy it.
LEFT LEADERS DO NOT MIND HAVING RIGHT ACCOUNTS IN RIGHT NATIONS. !
LaluPrasad that we are seeing is the product of spin doctors in media,he is as rustic as one could get with buffalos in his official residence at states cost.No doubt he has the media savvy,but corrupt practices with blacksheep in media for image make over, will be issue he has to look out for in the next sting operation.Power has many perks,image make over with money power is one of them.
Alert and vigilent society of citizens demanding accoutability of the investigation as national resources are used for the same.
I agree with you, my brother in arm, left idealogies were need of the time after first world war and rapid industrialisation, later it became means to live for the subscription collectors of the left with money collected they lived maharajas life while workers contributed for the comforts of comrade leaders.Now redundent idealogies die a natural death,that is what is happening with the idealogy of karl marx.
True, the country which claims of a civilised society has brutal behaviour also along side in it as any other in the comity of the nations, life is to handle the situation as it comes Game or otherwise.
Why should govenments acquire lands,fertile or otherwise and hand it over to industry ? Let the industry buy it at market price and use it for cow-shed,but the issue here is the very left which went with full speed in land reforms is acting like a jamindar with poor farmers,depriving of their livelihood. Let the government which wants the lands rehabilitate the farmers and then none will have grounds for complaint.
Now that supreme court has come out against the ninth schedule of the constitution,it is no more legal to acquire land of the poor to rich industry, my friend, it is against the natural justice and equity,unless alternate lands are provided the rulers can not play with livelihood of the poor to placate and favour the rich. ! Even Narmada project which is for larger good of the society is supervised by the courts to see that evacuees get the proper rehab packs.
In no other state the police are any better my friend, it is high time that the reforms suggested by various bodies such as Dharmaveer Commission, later as recent as the few months ago when Supreme court has taken up the matter with states and center for the men in uniform,reform is seriously taken up,half of the force is wasted to protect the criminal politicians and their safety,another part for law and order and what is left is for investigations and control of crimes. !
In global economy,why the big players want every thing ready- made for them,can they not take the steps to take under developed non agricultural land tracks,develop them to industrial hubs for the better utilisation of unused land and also usher in development in undeveloped barren lands with all modern machineries. Such deeds will be good for society and the nation.
Lopsided policies of the retired bureacrat turned lame duck politician blue turbanator, has no economis for the aam admi,but only gains to the parties and individuals in the game of SEZs.The story is repeated in agrarian lands of Punjab,Andhra, maharashtra, instead of making the life of farmers economically sustainable by getting good rate for the produce, policies are making them hapless and suicidal.
being not ordinary why tatas are into ordinary business of taking the agrarian lands in developed area near Kolkatta, can they not do the extra ordinary work of developing the under-developed barren lands into developed industry, as business and service to the nation and citizens ?
True colours of red are being exposed now, in kerala,the high court has ordered a CBI probe in to alleged irregularities in the acts of Pinarayi, who is king of scams in kerala.The alleged fraud is in few hundred crores.
Hey, that is the typical mindset of a common man of yesteryears,feeling helpless,feeling left out, now we have information technology,vigilent media,over zealous breed of reporters,to make the inert mountain of governance move towards a better tomorrow.
Citizens get what they deserve,vigilent society and citizens can bring in positive changes in society. terrorists when come in to India, it is the duty of every one of us as we see a new face in our area, to be aware of what is happening,to keep alertness on the high,but that does not mean to be suspecting everything around, the skull capa, the typical talk style are instant giveaway of such traitors,the very act of being assertive of the religion and pro pak stance should be irritating to any citizen.
History is repeating itself my friend,then it was nazis who were tried for crimes of the world war two, this time around, it will be,....,but it took almost 35 years after 1945, of human conscious to wake up for the war crimes.
heaven and hell are very much in the society that we live in by the good or bad deeds of the citizens in society.?
who is governing whom in democracy,what is the misunderstanding in this matter ?atleast oil is controlled by opec country kings,here,it is different story altogether,then it was british rule,now we tax ourselves ?
Clean up for sure, first it was shia in Afghanistan,then Iraq of sunnis, noq Iran for re -game of death.But does he think of his dead soldiers, even after war, in "peace" keeping ? Why this craze for becoming policeman of the world, that too in barbaric islamic arabsthan ?
Like the anchors who start with " I have only ten seconds to give you for the answer," then start a long winding question to the panel, only to take those available ten seconds also ?
TRUE, BUT CRIME IS ALWAYS ONE STEP AHEAD OF PREVENTION.? CITIZENS DO THANK THE JOB OF MEDIA,BUT INVESTIGATION DONE BY JOURNALSITS OFTEN ARE HALF BAKED NOW-A-DAYS UNLIKE THE ONES REPORTED IN DECADES EARLIER BY NEWSPAPER JOURNALISTS.
The very same salt in free India is sold by MNCs "iodised" in tropical country, what a sales gimmick ? The price contains high component of taxes which Gandhiji did not approve,are you aware of this. ? Thousands of workers in salt industry are at the mercy of petty wages in salt fields of Saurashtra in inhuman working conditions. The same holds true for workers of oil co.s of MNCs,better pays only for their own countrymen,not for third world country workers.
Such a senior officer does not know the basics of investigating procedure,seizure of incriminating evidence, improper handling of evidence ?
Yes, investigation should cover all angles of the crime,I am concerned about the "cover-ups" of the investigation,which is pretty common in recent times.
Yes, my dear one, but we should not, positively should not stop the voice of dissent, let him express his views,we can point out what has happened to idols of the persons who never wished idol worship, causing immense damage to fabric of harmony of the society.Gandhijis and Ambedkra idols at every corner have become the points of disharmony than any other good. Slums having the idols of the dalit icon have become the criminal dens of activities, it is with this point of view, that we should understand the matter. ?
UP police after initial investigation allowed all and sundry,including the curious onlookers along with grieving parents,media and the crime scene was adultrated,some reported blood stains in some bed rooms , some said of the surgical equipments,but police kept mum, now more skeletons are tubling out, 5 lakhs distributed to the poor aggrieved is a new ground for falsification of deaths for the claims ? Incentive to tell lies for the compensation is overwhelming.
Concern is for the "cover-up" of the crime than the covering of all angles in investigation,as that has been the past record of CBI in recent past.
Democracy has enshrined principle of freedom of speech, dissent is also part of it,Tamilnadu has highest number of idols for every concievable person who has something to say on life,may be wants his idol being a supporter of dissent ?
Times now gave the correct position of the gutter, it is behind the house,well within the compound,a high wall enclosing it in the compound.
Hey I remember seeing the carpet on which Bush was idolised,all people walking into the building had to walk over the bush carpet,may be another carpet for saddam ?
Hey, you people in tamilnadu are being percieved as emotional lot,you have a shrine for Kushboo, you do not hesitate to humiliate her for simple remarks, you have a shrine for periyar,you do not mind ridiculing him of his stand on devotion to idols,idols of emotions to pull down with changed emotions ?Along with emotions I hope you will realise wisdom has a role in society ?You have idolising the Kanchi senior seer, but later on you want to damage the very principles of harmonious living ?
This is perhaps one of the good opportunities to regain its lost image of being the good investigating agency without fear or favour,to prove that it can really do good work of the assigned task.
Good sense prevails over commercial interests. ?
At the present rate our politicians are going to have enough of citizens to spit on their faces.
SC has given verdict that the curative petition has no merit,which is basically on questions of law,this should be eye opener for those who were talking of fair trial and legal representation etc. as point of law, now it is conclusive that the petition has no merit,so it is fair trial.Ofcourse the fat lady of legal fraternity with fat filled brain was not seen on 29 inch tv crooning this time around. ! I hope the Home Minister and his crony Law minister have enough substance in them to facilitate the process of decision making on mercy petition,inspite of UP election and percieved do gooder of a section of society.What Congress has to remind itself is if it does not act in national interest,national electorate will reject them,may be in power in J and K but even there they will not have enough frozen water in Dal lake which is now frozen to skate on thin ice. !
In a marriage of convenience all the partners put the happy face for public consumption and crib later.So also the United nations with other activities like Health Orgnisation,AIDS initiative,child welfare schemes,the third world needs the funds put in by developing world,not the developed world,so it is matter of convenience. Also peace keeping force is from developed countries,dollars do count for the developing countries which have large human resources. The doctors and teachers in project HOPE of Un are mostly from developing countries not many from advanced countries.Beneficiaries are the poor countries of third world.These facts should give proper perspective as to why UN can not be abandoned by the third world as well as developing countries. ?
Yes, investigations should conclude for coming to a surmise,but the fact remains the clean chits on many are already in circulation. ! The hapless and the poor servant is being touted around as if he is the only one,inspite of his having record of being in constant touch with his boss. ? His boss being in constant touch with his political boss is also in circulation,hence the cover up is suspected !
Friend "cannibal" that you are talking about also said he did not relish the act,but enjoyed sex with dead body.And in Muktsar, it is evident that the speed in which a person has come forward to "confess" the five deaths is another facet of the society where for considerations of substantial amount, the police can bring in poor sacrificial goat of a confessor, so that his family can have a better life from poor living conditions. Even in most developed country like America,the process of owning up the crime for huge monetary consideration,by the innocent poor, is well documented started by early italian immigrents to save the rich mafia clans.
Crime many a times defy logic,based on emotions and human weakness of greed. Different people in the crime are in it for sexual gains and monetary gains of different motives which complement each other in the crime,to attribute one single motive to multiple crime defies the very same logic.
Come on now, we in India are a nation of many faiths and religions,Saddam being muslim,as per the tenets of Islam,no shrine can be for him except Allah,none can be worshipped except Allah,so why this craze for idol worship,which in that religion is not prmissible. ? Even the great Ambedkar who was against the rituals and worship of idols is now put in every street corners and slums for nefarious reasons of covering the illegal constructions often leading to un-necessary desecretion and unrest.Gandhi,who never longed for any office of profits in his lifetime, is idol now to crows to desecrete him,roads in every city have a road after him for all the hoop- laa which he never might have approved,his surname is mis-appropriated by Nehru dynasty for electoral gains,now let us not start another issue on which the society could see more unrestand divisive play of politics. ?
Very true my dear one, but generalisations apart,there is a basic fact, if the money is earned well, with fair deeds, then the progeny seem to be off the crime track.
True, media also consists of mortals of this same society subject to pulls and pushes of pressures of rich and elite,it is a business house of news that these run. ?To be totally dominated by societal needs would mean closure of successful news business not charity at work. ?
Very valid issue my dear one, it is true that with advanced research in organ transplant we have very feeble laws to control this menace,stem cell research is also a new field where stem cells when transplanted become and grow into good organ of the body. that is the reason for the demand,also in diabetes and alzheimer deceases,the stem cells have proved that they can stop decay and decease.Trials in Parkinson decease is on,results are being verified.India with its talent is major player with the research,how much ethical practise is in the research is debatable.
Very true.!!
Organ trade in India started with unscrupulous rich and elite getting the poor of the street to donate the organs for the price and later it became industry with touts playing the role of sourcing the organs by even cheating the amount agreed upon,then came in stricy legislation and toothless implementation in last fifteen years. Now with advance in research,the more attractive young organs of sturdy poor,with least resistence are being used,sex maniacs having the initial funand then gains also.
Well, that is fallacy, as per the experts here with whom I had interaction, the young child of one and half years ofage, of a armyman who was killed in accident is now living in many other humans by its transplanted organs,parents are happy that their child gave its eyes and organs to quite a few lives.Stem cells of a new born take shape of any organ in transplanted body of receiver. That is the reason for demand of young ones.There seems to be concerted effort to suppress the organ trade angle of this investigation. When poor die none except the family cares,hullaballoo dies after a few days with compensation doing the mouthshut exercise. !
Are you sure of the facts ? OPEC itself is controlled by oil mafia of America,rates are fixed by cartels of America and western world. OPEC at the most decides the oil output.pl check the inputs, thanks.Most of the opec countries oil production is on concessions with western cartels and they get only the royalties.
That is good punch on the nose. !
Well said,dissent in democracy has role of constructive criticism of acts which are imposed by brute strenght of majority. But in occupied nations the democracy and its introduction by America is again not easy as people there in are not used to dissent. !
Police are no different when it comes to saving their skin of the kith and kin,Santhosh singhs father is one such example who used his power to shield his son,in Mattoo murder,latest is the DGP of Orissa who secured parole for his rapist son,Bitti mohanthy,now at large,shielded well by his powerful fahter.
Even before proper investigations are completed,the spokesperson of Congress has given a clean chit to mr. Brar, ex-MP of his involvement in Muktsar killings like that of Nithari,Brar is according to local newspapers is closely related to Moninder pandher,of nithari gruesome killings !This is criminal investigation,not politics. !
True, my friend, but one consoling factor is, in the process media are also doing service to the society of bringing a new sense of awareness of crime and criminals and a sense of what is right and wrong in the society,though driven by economics. !That is technology for the benefit of the larger society.
I draw your kind attention to todays Indian Express which has an article by journalist,Mr. Kamalendra Kanwar,about More to Noida Killings than meets the eye,on page 11,where rich and the elite had their fun and gains with the poor,sex urge satisfied the humans,the children were disposed with surgical precision. !Organ trade formed the base for gains,poor vitims were hapless helpless of the society. The drive is now on overdrive to shield the corrupt criminals,the servant will be the scapegoat as main culprit will get shielded even by media giving doctored versions to show him in good light. ?
My dear one, it is for sure not very good to agree to all thoughts without applying our intellectual mind with knowledge and experience to such thoughts, thoughts need critical appraisal,for the individual in society to accept, that is debate.And you have seen how the MB was used by fake IDs not long ago. ?
It is all post-poll promise to be extended by Tarun Gogoi to appease the minority vote banks imported from bangladesh.Bihari hard-working citizens to be re-placed by the bums of Bangla origin,now they are with voters ID and ration cards,thanks to the CM of Assam,non-existence of IMDT Act,inspite of Supreme court judgement,ACHIEVEMENT OF UPA.!
Blue turbanator is the biggest non performing asset of India.May be his hands are tied by his Godmother,with sole intention of being the remote control,IMDT Act amendment,inspite of supreme court decision is the worst action UPA has taken to be soft to bangladeshis in North eastern states.
Come on,now we in India have enough statues to fight about,even those people who abhorred idol worship have become idols at the street corners to encourage people to fight over their statue being desecreted.!Living people fighting over idols is not uncommon in India to usher more dead ?
Yes, my dear one,as more people get educated,the systemic changes will follow to curb the coverups. As can be seen now,the outcry against the cover-ups is being seen by the vested interests and are more alert now to public opinion. Not long ago the famous "criminal" lawyer had ventured to question the "public opinion" with not so good results to his fame.The adventure of few to malign and bring political colour to Nithari killings resulted in more exposure of the crime in home turf at Punjab,where now elections are few weeks away. !Awam mein aam nange hee hain.
No doubt Saddam was cruel sunni to his other sect in muslim world of shias and kurds,so are our hindus to dalits. OBCs of India are ruling class known for the atrocities towards other downtrodden in India,that is the standards of congress in ruling the nation,by division,most political parties are dominated by OBCs in India.If we take a look at the society in India,we see fragmented society of humans on caste lines,some are organised in taking the benefits by sheer force of numbers,while others not so commanding, but that is not governance,but mob blackmail of the class.Even muslims are now on the verge of division in shia,sunni and bohra vote banks, from earlier muslim votes. But that aside,half truth can not substitute the truth that he was truely secular,he was smart enough to take advantage of weakness of others, including western world,when they needed him in their game of being super power.
Exactly,then when rule was internal matter,nations had no business to interfere there in Iraq or in Cuba, Czek republic, USSR ?
I respect your opinion,we get what we seek, we see what we want to see, we hear what is required by us say the learned. ?
When good governance and the result of it can be claimed as that of the PM,why not the bad performance of his policies ? What purpose did he serve by visit and announcements of packages when not even a paise was released to the needy aam admi ? As government is in the business of governance,can he not be facilitator to farmers to rehab themselves ? His CM of the state is with land mafia buying out distress sale of lands at Vidarbha,media is mum of this side of the criminal activity as malls are coming up ?
My dear one, life is eternal journey of learning, it never ceases the curious to learn, understand the diverse life,diferent thoughts in life,mind remains young, body wears out with time and age,but young mind in aged body also helps society to understand the views in life,understands,make efforts to understand the life. God be with you.
My dear one, patience is virtue,let us not loose our cool,it is the best way to carry forward the thoughts in healthy discussions, not to be disturbed by outbursts of some who go to illogical emotional expressions for the lack of anything new. ?
As citizen of the society,every one is concerned of the ills in society,one such menifestation is the judicial system of society,in governance of society as all systems get eroded of moral and ethical values,it is cause of concern.Police beaurocracy is part of the same society,politicians are all in the same society and corruption is prevalent,institutionalised evil,unless each of us decide not to be part of this evil,it will not get eradicated. Each of us at one time or other,for some work to be hastened have been part of it.It may be adrivimg license or passport or the ration card or khatha certificate,vigilent and alert citizens can stop this evil by being firm and patience can positively help.
I have to agree with you, in discussions calling names to participants without any thoughts is useless,digressing from the main topic itself.
Thanks for your express opinion,you are entitled to it,that is freedom of speech,but not discussion. !
Dear friend, Message board is meant for healthy debate, with freedom of expression to express diverse views,it is not license to insult others in the board. Would you agree. ? Calling some one to shut up, insane etc, are not exactly debating tactics but reflect only shortfall of thoughts to express. !
Ajit Singh is son of ek-din ka sultan, Choudhary Charan Singh,who gave new meaning to opportunism in democratic rule for others to follow. !
Indian media in general,TV channels in particular live with earnings of trp and ad-revenues in business,so they go by age-old dictum of news - dog biting man is not news,man biting dog is news,all else is just passing reference. !
Dear one, these tests are part of investigations,as seen earlier,whenever big names are detected like in fake stamp paper investigations,these tests become means to subvert justice,names of all big politicians surfaced in karim lala investigations, CBI is now keeping mum on the whole case involving over 30,000 crores. of fake stamp paper. !
I BOW MY HEAD IN REVERENCE TO GOOD THOUGHTS AND RESPECT THE ORIGINS OF GOOD THOUGHTS, my dear one,you are origin of quite a few good thoughts in life,but we can agree to disagree when as humans we may not agree on some of the thoughts. If I have hurt your sentiments my sincere apologies to you and all the members in MB.
Dahej is only an excuse for the crime.And I request you to be more patient in your outbursts.Every life is precious,human is the ultimate of the animal world,hence the response.
Simple my friend, now we ape west,live-in relations in the name modernity,lack of family values,person gets recognised by the flashy lifestyle than his good behaviour.Alround development of intellectual,spiritual aspects has given way to only material development,hence lop-sided behaviour.West is taking the best of oriental while indians are taking to the worst of the western lifestyle.- materialism.
Very true,repeat of 1977. ?
Good place to start kicking. !
Those who judge Saddam of cruelty have they same yardstick of measuring cruelty of others in aggressive wars with daisy cutters which killed innocent civilians in the nations with carpet bombing. ?
Not to forget the Bangladesh incidents that have gone on for the nation from inception. ! But still,who encourages these happenings in the islamic nations ?
You mean like our homes are cleaned and dumped the garbage at the neighbours door or garden which is common irrespective of class or caste ?
Like any other citizens of different nations going gaga over indian culture and rituals ?
America has to be greatful for the humanity,it is the nation of immigrents,the prosperity there is of the hard work of million immigrents. Idiots like Bush who says you are with us or you are terrorist,is because of the idiocity.His electorate had rejected him the second term but technicality got better of him,got declared elected after full five days of re-counting.Even Americans have understood after 9/11 the the importance of not provoking the wrong for further violence.Action to curb terrorism is not pinching the child, make it cry,then cajoling it,once commenced,it is difficult to contain. !Americas roile with Pakistan is open for all to see,now it is paying the price.
When Indira played dictator she was given the lessons in democracy by the citizens of India,by ballots,later she invited bullets that was her way of departure by choice. !
Except the condemnation and few words what else ?
What is internal and external matters in comity of nations ? The rule of saddam was the internal matter of iraq,WMD was external matter of concern,now the act of aggression by powerful nations in iraq was external matter for all nations to excercise caution,did it happen that way ? Even after Afghanisthan war,rehab package is mostly by other countries such as india who are doing the work of rebuilding the nation for the Afghan,so also the work at iraq,where is america except to show its daisy-cutter bombs on civilians to label it as cllateral damage ? These atrocities, are they external or internal for humanity ?
Cool and calculated response is what I gave,any answers ? For the deaths by suicide of the farmers,SEZ killings, are they not human atrocities against the innocent, ? Is our PM not responsible for these deaths ? Now after all this he is talking of rehab,for the victims ?
Thank god some sanity is present with most of debaters. !
I neither seek sympathy nor the sobs,come off the high horse of emotions and think for a while where the society is heading,thinking about self,only self,not about the society that I live in. And it is duty and call of the nation,so nothing to be ashamed of.Only the sad part is all the sacrifices of the fauzis is wasted by the civil society giving one more occassion to sob later ?
My dear one,come down from the high horse of emotions that you are riding.I am not supporting Saddam,I oppose the way the death is meted out to him.A soldier likes to die like a soldier,he was taunted even on his way out of mortal world,he was stoic offering his prayers and he advised the executors to do their duty. !
Identification of the dead has taken place by the clothes they wore,personal effects seen,by their relatives, and also by confessional statements of the accused. As to evidence,the seized skulls and bones have no value in court of law as no formal methods were used for such seizure. Forensic science helps in co-relating of the skulls and bones by super imposition of the image,it is painstaking work,it is possible if willed.In many cases the photos are also not available,DNA finger-printing with that of relatives with remains is also possible way of ascertaining the dead humans identity.
In western world the dog and its life is also treated with care,if you watch Animal Planet,the authorities go to any length to save the animal in distress.Here we talk of precious lifes of human beings,but the fact remains that India is numero uno destination for clinical research,be it stem cell,genetic engineering,or new medication trial runs, all that our Health minister is keen is to give statements about our Yoga and its uselessness for cures.As to stem cell research,many of you may be aware that the umblical chord waste is invaluable in research,earlier the agencies would collect this from maternity hospitals and use it in research,human greed is such that now,wait is for the infantile cells itself. There is darker side in developing world where most educated and rich have a syndicate for illegal gains,with active support from the so called leaders in political spectrum.Some attempts were made to inform the public about trial runs of medical research with human guinea-pigs with new medicines which is impossible in western world,but it happened in metros of India. Paltry sums were paid to young lifes for the trials with unknown side effects of drugs,new ones on human trial,the report was hushed up. This happened in two southern metros of Chennai and Hyderabad.News channels developed cold feet after initial fizz for reasons best known to them,after all the media is also from the same society that we live in ?
Few news channels started the good work,after initial fizz of the soda bottle,it turned out plain,for reasons known to them. !
Commission headed by a retired tired judge who can fudge for the political bosses for the timings of UP elections ?
With that,the UPA ?
Money matters, with advent of stem cell research,there is demand for new born child cells,male or female,huge money is involved,India and its greedy mindset is fertile ground for all the reasearch in medical science -legal,or illegal,as no firm ground rules are there in India.Also I got the clarification from Doctors in Bangalore that infant organs can be transplanted and life expectancy is better,so i do not know why some channels are doctoring the news to deny the organ transplant angle in childrens death, the criminals have their fun and also gains.Just as Shibu went into hospital after his verdict,the rich and powerful Moninder Pandher is also ICCU happy.Unless citizens are vigilent and opinionated criminals will have their cake and eat it too.
SSP Rathore is the present officer,his predecessor is the one who is suspended.As per Times Now, who have given better coverage both SSPs have their hands full,present SSP had released the culprit after initial questioning so that he could mobilise the powers that be for his help,quite a few channels tried white wash as he is from elite school and college. ! And NDTV was at its best with barkha as dotted star with sindhur this time unlike a widow normally in anchor.
Like our mess up in Srilanka during Rajiv's tenor,or to that matter our messing up with Islamic conference with our delegates as secular nation, absence at vishwa hindu conference being secular ?
Think of the indian soldiers in bangla border who were dangling in poles after death, indignified way of dealing by bangladesh. That should serve as reminder.Think of mutilated bodies of indian soldiers on patrol in kargill.
Illitration ? What is that ? hope you mean illustration,which it is not.Illiterates can not write,can express. !
To tell lies one needs that,not for truth. !
Execution could have been without taunts and more dignified atleast in the last moments in life,once born each of us have to die,but dignity is extended by those who live to die tomorrow.
This is international relations not politics.If America can decide tomorrow to hang our Prime-minister on nuke deal is it alright ? Not that he does not deserve it, but americans can not decide it for us,our blue terminator of villages with SEZs may be good with economics doctorate,but his acts of silence on farmers suicide is disgusting,when these farmers were waiting to meet him with their woes,this guy was having sumptous lunch with hangers on at Vidarbha.!
The very same Bush on CNN admitted that the execution could have been more dignified,for a soldier defeated in war,death has dignity.
when I was of your age we had no privilege of tv and live news,we had to read the newspaper of yesterday,the next day,in public library,the library had all the newspapers,that apart, I hope you were young enough in 1971, 1965 wars,may be you have not seen the war of 1962, 1971 war,which I had the privilege of participating,a wound in leg reminds of that even now, that apart those days and later with NAM,it was Indira Priyadarshini who hugged Saddam as her rakhi brother,may be now that we are aligned,not non-aligned any more,and Indira has given way to her italian Bahu, who is from aggressor of world war II,Italy, these do not count ?
AP is ruled by Congress, it must be wrong report. !
But 30 MPs of Samajwadi Party are pillars of UPA supporting the same Sonia's rule ? Arithmatcs do not help such step. !
Politicians if they were loyal to nation instead of their parties things could perhaps change for better. ! Today loyalty to party is prime not the national interest.?
Now Sonia has also stated that her minister Renuka will see if more compenation can be distributed from the centre. Elections my friend, are round the corner,now voteless will get votes after ten long years of isolation,as migrant labourers.Only the answer as to whom they will vote is open for guess of poll pandits, who with their poll predictions will do everything to influence the outcome. !
How about Bible which says eye for eye,life for life, tooth for tooth,or any abrahamic script ? Are we forgetting the King Shibi who offered his own flesh as gift, are we not deviating from the King Harishchnadra who gave up throne and kingdom for truth ?
How many nations have joined forces in Iraq,except the satellites of America ? I think a David is the need to bring down the Goliath of America. India could have been the david in this contest,but our minions like blue turbanator are bound by cravings of power behind the pallu of Godmother.
Right from Dharaveera commission to today quite a few commissions have been formed,have given reports for improvements in working conditions of police machinery,states as well as centre do not want them,they are in cold storage,the reason is simple,politicians are comfortable with half the police protecting their lives,their hangers on and their crimes,why reforms ? The other half of the force is happy to tow the line, partly with traffic and partly with sycophancy for politcians.
Not human considerations ?
While EU is conglomerate of nations in that continent,other continents are seeing dis-integretion be it USSR in to fragmented orchestras, or Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan or India to the designs of American divide policy.
It is indeed sad that as the political equations are changed the old rulers are hanged,it all started with the execution of Bhutto in world order,now shias decide to hang sunni ruler for his misdeeds,after a while when sunnis come to power,it is dreadful to think that they will have to hang the past rulers,by the same logic,start the witch-hunt of the opposition,now it is false cases in India,next it may be hanging for the sought out crimes ? Is this democratic action ?
Agniputra, the days of the slogan shouters are here to stay,mobs will control democracy on the basis of caste, religion and language,whoever bids for the best mob will be the ruler by proxy,not necessarily on seat of power but dictator from the sidelines.
Where are we in non-aligned movement now ? India is aligned with unipolar world,it could be that India could be the other pole,had it got the moral courage to be.With moral bankrupcy and ethical loss in values of having a non Indian as dictator,democratically elected,we are democracy of mobs, hired slogan shouters and sycophant brigades.
United nations is a body controlled by the money power of non-paying veto nations. !
Basic subtle differences stand out to contrast in these cases, Saddam was not terrorist,a muslim,yes,a dictator yes,Afjal had fair trial,a criminal,terrorist,traitor to the nation, but even then I do not believe in "life for life and tooth for tooth and eye for an eye" theory of barbaric religions.If Saddam can be hanged without remorse this inhuman who took lives of unarmed guards of Parliament deserves the punishment,if reformation is not possible, not for political benefits,but for societal harmony.Death can never be deterrent for crime.
Saddam was muslim,agreeable fact, but was he terrorist like Afjal Guru,please be specific. ?
Moderators scissors at work,my reply is not seen the light,try again,now,I am neither supporter of saddam,nor the terrorists,but Saddam was not muslim terrorist like Afjal Guru.Western world has tinted glass of material wealth only,not the spiritual holistic approach,that is why they could say "either you are with us,or you are terrorists".They see things in black and white,no shades of grey for others,they think they are only "white",all others are black. ?
Sypmathy for common people ? Where do you rate our politicians who see killings of Dalits,poor children in Maharashtra, UP as a political opportunity,agreed UP has Samajwadi party in power but what about maharashtra,where Congress is in power. Where was Sonia for full three months to respond to the killings of innocents,not even providing security to eye witnewss in khairlanji killings.?
We Indians are good at preaching and less in practising anything in life,it is we indians, we forget the friends who stood by us as we seek new friends without any principles in life,during the pak agression,in Arab world it was only Saddam who stood with indians in condemning Pak attack,when 7th fleet of America moved in to threaten India,Saddam may be criminal to his iraqi sects of Kurds and shias,but international relationships he was good to India,he was not terrorist,Congress benefitted even when out of power with 8 million oil coupons in oil for food programme which it used the benefits to fight elections,it is different that it is now mute in many aspects.
TO BE POLITICALLY RIGHT IS DIFFERENT FROM BEING MORALLY RIGHT ?
Well, my dear one, if you feel that i am dictatorial in my views,my apologies to you, but my point is can we not have some dignity in disposal of the criminals ? Should he be insulted even as he goes to gallows ? Should he not get the thirty days reprive allowed by the verdict ?By this sort of actions of the punishment are we not making him a martyr,undeservedly ?
Has any procedure of jurisprudence followed in the trial of Saddam ? With Afjal Guru and his supporters claiming mercy,for months now,was 30 days a long period of wait for saddam ? I am not against the punishment the civil society imposes on criminal,but methods of natural justice and equity is not followed in the hurry to get rid of this human. ? Violence of any sort gets more of it,it is seen by society.
No doubt western world with America created the mess,but elimination of saddam has not helped in any way the to improve the situation.Bodybags post war are still despatched to america and other countries of young soldiers who are paying the cost of interference.No nation has won the war in Vietnam,Korea and America should know better of this logic.Bush is now sidelined by his own electorate.
YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION,I RESPECT IT.
No, sir, my heart weeps for every death of the human,whether in Kashmir of a hindu,because of religious fanatism,or that of a muslim on pilgrimage because he was of another sect.Humans can atleast now learn to live and let live,as they have learnt to fly like a bird,be in water like fish,can they not live as good humans ?Human rights does not mean they can hurt another in society. !
My dear Rajaye, I am not against killing of saddam or his execution,but the method is now seen by Bush himself as undignified which I stand by the thoughts,it is US which created saddam, gets away with democracy as guise, so many innocents have died with the action of US,some one has to be responsible for these deaths also ? CNN televised the interviews of teenaged children,journalist repeatedly asking the teens are you shia or sunni, the answer was that he is iraqi, and the teen repeatedly said the Bush era past Saddam rule was bad,No future he says,that says it all.
Each of us on this planet earth are that society we live in,crime and intolerence are on planet as night is there with day,but it is humanly possible to have more sunshine than dark nights now that tech help is there to make nights bright ?
Crying is not for the split milk,sir,crying for the method in madness,death can never be deterrent for crime and none can ensure the rise on another dictator in another place,society gets what it deserves.Crying is for the society to wake up to the fact that life can be much more harmonious and peaceful, if we learn to live humane way of living.
Civil society craving of blood of wrong acts in society is not civil,the society needs to address the issues for such crimes and reform the the wrong doer,as you have classified me in illiterate category,I respect your literate views,but I do not go by the view that death sentence is right in civil society. Death sentence can never be deterrent in erring society,change of circumstances in society to reform the the erring is the need,otherwise the criminals like bush and Blair who with power are more to harm the society,if you recollect,the actual war in Iraq, had only 23 casualties in war,of the soldiers,but post war,the death toll of soldiers alone is over 3000 dead body bags for America,does it not sound cruel to you,do you not feel for those young soldiers who died for unknown cause and their families lost the young one for the egotrip of their leader ? America has no role as policeman of the world,instead,the civil society in comity of nations can ensure stronger United nations organisation,which now is rendered toothless tiger at the mercy of powerful America which has not paid its dues to UN for over 4 years.Civil society is one where live and let live should be the goal,creating the coordial atmosphere where every one society can live in peace with moral force ruling over the unethical action of crime. death can never be deterrent.
Turning philosophical tap for the guilt ? Every action of human has reaction,death is not deterrent for crime,the eradication of circumstances can be deterrents of crime,a society where ill gotten wealth and such person is not honoured is the need. Power in the right use for the society is for betterment of humanity.As to human,he is the worst of the living beings when it comes to cruelty for selfish needs. Animals kill ony for self defence or for the need of food,that too in very limited harm. !
Hands which wear bangles can also hold the aircraft for the nation to fight,but the moot point is can one nation in comity of nations decide the fate of past rulers ? Then what is the status of united nations vis-a- vis America ? Is America not supporting other dictators in the world ?
People of Iraq will be thanking the Bush Administration,but UN if percieved is going to punish Bush for his atrocities of war, is infantile imagination.
Justice is to be done,but also more importantly it is seen to be correctly done,the issue here is the occupation of America of Iraq,foisted judiciary,death of Advocates defending saddam,hang him,but follow the procedure,is the issue. Now that Bofors investigation is over,all clean chits are distributed,justice is carried out,nothing to complain about,that is the system even every one knows how the money is looted.At the time of hanging also the behaviour of those around was not so civil. ?
Why not a single statement from the Home minister of manmohansingh cabinet,is he busy home-keeping for the Sonia ?
Civil society craving for blood of percieved culprit,not necessarily the correct culprit. ?
The times when CBI was premier investigating agency is over,now if they come into probe,they will cover up the main accused rich and powerful Moninder,he is saved and the other guy his servant will be scapegoat for the crimes of his master. ! Also local newspaper from Almora, reported that some men descended to servants house,made him sign some papers and then he owned up the killings,how true,to be seen in the days to come.NDTV is requested to follow up with the family of Surender the other servant accused as you have already beamed the response on rich guy,Moninder,that his antecedents that of being a cottonian,stephanite etc. ? Give that poor amn also a chance ?
Hope you mean NDTV, not NDDB - national dairy development board.! Because the victims were cut into pieces like cattle ?
That lady shoots from the mouth so much filth that none take her seriously,johny walker Choudhary. ! She was not even aware of NCW report,keen to malign political party rather than the crime tackling,talks of 11 th plan and legislations,but not execution of tackling crime.Such misfits in cabinet of central ministry are malady of the nation, a home minister who can not take care of his citizens is the best example of men of straw. ?
What a shame,the law keepers turning to be abetters of criminals,the AGDP claiming these are sex-related crimes and not organ trade related,such AGDP should be probed for misleading of investigation, the doctor residing next door is previously booked for organs trade,the house owners lavish life style prevented the police to investigate the issue with grreen backs flowing into their pockets,politicians who shielded the guilty should also be booked.Kudos to news channels for taking the issue and let justice prevail.Shameless in uniform be booked for their involvement./abettment in crimes.
You have every right to have a different perception of facts,but can humanity forget the killings in Vietnam by America ? Can the war on Iraq be justified because of its unilateral nature by America,is it not jungle law of might is right in democracy of america ? And end result of all this is violence gets more violence to humanity. False egos of leaders fail to see the human sufferings inflicted by these leaders in the name and guise of democracy.And what is Bush actions in his own nation when millions had to face natural calamity of katrina typhoon ? With all resources and modern facilities the lives are improved not by Bush but by philonthropic people of America as Bush is busy with bushisms. !
Vigilent citizen can make the most inefficient system work for the society,that is power of one.
In unipolar world,tolerence and non-violence are no more valid,they are only for occassional movie themes for terrorists and their friends.Society seems to enjoy instant justice,jungle rules,by this standards, 2007 should see some more killings or executions of evil political leaders ?
Judicial efficiency,my foot,it is a game of playing with emotions of citizens as seen in the acts of retired judges in sacchars, bannerjees who fudge the facts to please their political masters,one retired chief justice even submitted false age proof to get extra two years in office now to serve human rights commission,what can you expect from such bunch ? Society gets what it deserves.Inefficient society can not expect efficiency in fits and parts.Each vigilent citizen can make any system work for society.
By that standards,even our blue turbanator of a primeminister and his godmother who are mute spectators to suicides of farmers in India are bound to be hanged by us.Over 300 deaths in maharashtra,another few hundreds in Andhra and the chief ministers of these states are dictators at the call of god mother,is this democracy which does not care for its poor and downtrodden ? Only speeches seem to flow to flood India with such crap shit in positions of power,should they not be hanged for misuse of power ? Bush need not do it, citizens will do it,if this sort of attitude of politicians continue,where they visit traumas and enjoy sumptous meals with their hangers on,when empty stomachs wait outside the inspection bungallows.
Come on,do not be so naive,my dear, execution was for killing 148 people in Iraq,but what about the Iran war where several lakhs were killed and maimed,the war was proxy war of America and UK. How can civilised society overlook the role of USA and UK in that killing, of 8 years of war,is it because sectarian war of shias and sunnis.?
The act of execution of saddam raises quite a few questions in any sane persons mind,first and foremost,can any nation with percieved weapons of mass destruction and danger wage war on another nation in the comity of nations ? Secondly, after such agressive war,occupy that nation and say it is now democratic nation when its army is holding all the powers in that defeated nation ? Finally,how the victor of such atrocious war can punish the previous ruler with foisted judges and execute him even before people of that nation have their own pillars of democracy in place ? To me,it looks like a day is not far when the Bush and his cronies are punished in similar fashion in comity of nations by another agressive nation may be by fair or fowl means ? Is America a democracy where people are tolerent of such atrocious behaviour of their leaders in the world ?
It is heartening to note that the SC has issued notice to Yadav brothers in defamation case filed by them.
It is indeed sad that judiciary which has a role to play in delivery of justice in the case is mute in proceedings against high profile bratpack of politicians.
Going back out of India ? That can be easily managed,she will change her faith,show a nikahnama of marriage in timbaktoo and will fly out as wife of a circumcised cock !
what can else be expected from the rich and elite,lies and total lies with image make over efforts preceding the court verdicts ?
Do not worry, for the muslim votes, the first sunni and shia divide and now,it is quotas and reservations. !
By your analogy the UPA is biggest terrorist ?
Friend let hope the judge will get well soon,in gandhigiri style,as society needs better judges in courts who do not waterdown the law for the rich and elite ? He seem to be having a different yardstick for the other harbourer of weapons a lady at that.?
You mean accused people ? No way, we are not banana republic, justice to be done,should appear to be having done. !It is different matter that rich can enrol in hospital to serve the jail term. !
PM of a blue turbanator is silent terrorist for farmers and poor of the nation. !
Friend, when a human feels s/he has completed all his/her worldly duties,s/he has no more useful presence on earth,the body tattered with deceases and old age,the human decides enough of active life for the body,decides to shed the body by not feeding it,so that soul is relieved of the body,that is santhara in jain practise,in hindu way of life - samadhi, equivalent to beginning.sama = adhi.
Like you are getting paid for hate messages ? No way, we want every one to know what is rotten in Islam in practise.
Wisdom of humanity craves for peaceful harmonious life on planet earth,if not heeded the society has Dandam dshagunam bhaveth.
It is disgusting to see the hindu anchors in ladies as to how they shun bindis on foreheads,indian dress and prove their credentials to be more islamic than seculars ?
After careful case studies in the systemic highlighting of skullcaps and veils,if one notices the trend,it is to highlight the fanatic islam,and fanatics are falling into the trap by doing exactly what they are expected to do.It is sad that the moderates have no voice of dissent in islam,but the issue here is they are proving further that they are fanatic to islamic tenets,no change is permissible. ! Corollary goes to prove that as per the religious requirements,they are violent,barbaric for islam.
beggars begged for a separate nation,got it,now begging for more ?
Democracy is rule of people and the system which rules has three strong pillars in democracy,viz.: legislature,executive arm for administration on policies legislated for the need of the society,and judiciary which reviews the policies and legislature and executive in its implementation,any society on three legs is unstable and the role of media is that of fourth leg or pillar of society as conscious keeper, watchdog of the society,which has a role vital in dynamic society of attending to the wrongs in system,bringing the wrongs to the knowledge of citizens,for correction. But the divisive politics of the democracy,as it is has given rise to a system of which all are part,is total corrupt,as citizens crave for maximum good for any one organised section of society and not to all citizens. The result is group of organised corrupt which seek to benefit at the cost of large sections of society. Haj Subsidy, quotas and permits and licenses are all for a price which can be paid by elite and rich,the system consistently ignores the weaker,enriches the rich,the deprived finding new ways in to the bandwagon of looters of national exchequer.SEZ policy is another such game where the farmers are deprived of their lands to favour the rich in the name of development to suicides,being weak and unorganised,neglected by the system,all packages announced end up as Rs. three cheques to these farmers,only media is highlighting the issues,but blacksheep in media is another threat to society who give views and not news to society,thus forming vocal opinions on non-issues like Afjal Guru and his verdict.Judiciary,seen as clean till now, also rises from the same corrupt society and is in hot glare of the society, for the misdeeds of few,who fudge justice for the powrful.The initial hate objects have been politicians across the spectrum who live parasytical life on national exchequer,society also has a relook at the role of bureaucrats who seem to live on golf courses than in office. Media has definitely a role to play of being the news with tru facts,not views with tinted glasses of politicians.
When Defence Minister replied in Parliament about the presence of moles in defence forces what more proof is required. ? Infiltration to all arms of democracy with money flaunted is the present situation of national security,with reluctant Congress and UPA, for vote banks will compromise nation.
Friend,it is duty of every citizen to identify in their space,the miniscule number of traitors,isolate them,hand them over to authorities,also have a closer look at the persons who harbour them,get them driving licenses,voters ids,passports, as it has happened in many places in India.Citizens have duty to their nation,not only to the religion. ?
For them the president is only of China Hu. !And comrades do not mind waiting for him outside his hotel,standing. !
Can you forget the indian bred painting the walls of Bengal in 1962,when nation lost lives of soldiers ?
The issue here is to give push to deserving to the mainstream,for a better life,but with vote bank politics,the practise has become a tool to breed vote banks,paswans and laloos with fanatic leaders have a say to develop their vote banks at the cost of society. !
The breed of Indian maoists should be eye-opener to all,they went to their headmaster,JianTao Hu, he gave them a lesson in pragmatism,but indian breed of pekenese can only bark,never bite.They keep wagging tails for bones from China or anywhere as they long as their tails are not cut. ?
Only idealogy of these is to usher chaos in society and then make themselves the king comrades. !
Brahman,talking of quotas ? What contradiction did you find in the thoughts,it was reasoned that irrespective of caste and religion,democratic good should go to all deserving,what contradiction,may I seek from you ?
Do not worry,MB users have got accustomed to fakes,they provoke the genuine to off the topic,the moderator seem to enjoy it,so be it. !Every voice,genuine or fake has place in democratic life,the issue is only to distinguish the fakes, like in the quotas. Those who deserve the help do not get it,that is the pity.
Very true,the very same OBCs who are ruling class irrespective of the system of ruling creep in to reservation with one excuse or other,dalits remain blaming the apparent,not the actuals. !
Well said.
In material life salvation means only out of traumas of miseries,ill health and hardships of life,in spiritual parlance it means to get out of the birth and deth cylce and be with the ultimate bliss of living,without body,being with supreme spirit, formless,nirguna,nirakar.
Each one to his perceptions,right or wrong perceptions is a different issue. Life itself is biggest teacher,if one leads a life of tolerence and understands to live without hate for others,hindu way of life has shown the path.Evil practises stem from the urge to gain benefits over others in life without earning it.
Good actions,good thoughts, good health in well kept clean body of human is master of himself,as good does allow evil to dwell in it.Good of society is god of the society.Incarnation of all good in society will destroy evil actions,evil thoughts and evil health of society.When all good of humans in society takes shape to act,that is god in society.After such action of destruction of evil,as evil and good have to go in cyclic life, again the evils will accumulate,so also good.Later many decades or centuries later,the good incarnated in society,or the lead person may be indentified as god, but not really ?
Exactly,opportunists like you are always with media to highlight the "atrocities" with dalits so that you can divide India again and again.Crimes in society are with population seeking more than what it deserves with partial delivery of benefits to sections based on caste and religion,that too when we profess of equality and justice to all,some are more equal than others,so separate nation for them,right. ?
Hindu led goverment ? are you sure / It is vatican blessed Pope led goverment which strives to divide and rule ?
Sir, any religion is societal rules to live in harmony,but its practise brings in the conflicts to make all follow the rules of that religion on non-followers enforced at the instance of clergies by the followers. ?
Sir, people believe in every idealogy for some time,like in Communism also,as it assures equality and justice,but in practise it is also degenerated in to mass murders of poor tribals or policemen, destruction of public assets who do not follow or support the idealogy ?
True, but in this way of life,which gives the freedom of choice in life,to be an athiest,to be rationalist,still seek the path to tread,the way of life is beyond the narrow meaning of "religion",and in practise,it is fashionable to call oneself modern,liberal and rebel to espouse what is not exactly in common good. It is for the society to think,evaluate,review, the values of way of life,adopt,adapt the values relevant to society with changing life style and systems in society.Only in hindu way of life it is possible as unlike other religions the hold of self appointed clergies in those religions shun change, hindu way of life is age old yet,reforms itself from with-in.That is why it is known as sanathana dharma, not a religion.
No sane, right thinking citizen can take this statistics seriously,they are all vote gimmicks of the political ring leaders with retired judges acting at their whip.
Friend,it is not spirit in conflict within self and others,it is the comfort and self preservation of body and mind that is in conflict in society which spirit cautions for good life but body and mind does not listen to.
Sir, mythology have a place in human life,the good values propounded in them may be valid or invalid in changing times,polygamy of draupadi is not talked about today,so also the 16000 wives of Krishna as king,victor after defeating another king is not valid today in democracy,so also the animal sacrifice which is off topic because it is in mythology and justification for the same ?
The issue of assuming that one living being has soul does not arise,the very presumption that all living being has soul is understood according to that persons limitations of intellect and perceptions. The very fact that living body breathes to live without wanting to inhale or exhale proves that vitality of a person to exhale and inhale are beyond his control,that is where soul or chethana comes in to explain the living of a soul in living body,when that chethana or soul or spirit is not there,the body ceases to live.Slavery is condition of the living body,its intellect to circumstances,where the chethana or soul or spirit is inside the body,but is not slave of the circumstances the body is in,is within the body but still free. Ponder over this thought for a while,please.
Under civil laws, if one kills another it is murder and motive is seen,if a group of people kill another group,it is riots,again motive is seen,if a nation at war,its defenders kill the agressors of the nation,it is war, again motive is seen,different but earlier cases it is for narrow goal of individual gain,then in the other it is subjugation of rights of one group over the other,in the last example it is national interest to defend,societal interest is the motive. But when society and its sections learn to live and let live the sections on their faiths,the conflicts in societal civic rules can help to live and let live but for the human greed. ?
Sir, hindu religion does not advocate or advise sacrifice of ANOTHER life in its way of living. Religious practises over the years has sanctified the animal sacrifice may be with intention to "appease " percieced gods, which again are connected to nature,which is bountiful or harmful as human uses or misuses nature. Out of guilt,humans try to appease their deity by animal sacrifice perhaps to transfer their guilt in life on that poor animal.Here practise takes precedence over the scripture,misinterpretation over true meaning,perceptions differ !
Friend is Kashmir a problem ? It is a hyped issue of Congress rule and Pakistani junta rule to survive in power,aided and abetted by self seeking few in kashmir who want to have their livelihood at the cost of poor Kashmiri. In 1945, the population of Kashmir as seen by archive recorde had the citizens living in harmony,under the rule of a king,who happened to be Hindu. There were prayers at mosque and Mandir,no enmity between the people,both communities dependent on each other lived in perfect harmony. Misadventure of division of India in 1947 with independence brought in new dynamics in living citizens of kashmir. A section wanted to be aligned with Pakistan on religious basis, another wanted Independence as Kashmir State, another section needed to be In India as part of it,this issue with religion and fanatism and egos of leaders playing there role made citizens life a problem. Now the issue to be solved is applicable to all kashmiris,irrespective whether he is a hindu or mussalman,but narrow political games played by all involved has been not at this aim,to please one section,another plays with lives of Kashmiris,if humane approach is there this issue can be solved in a jiffy,let Kashmiris pay back the amount spent by India for them,choose to go their way they want,fanatic taliban life,or live a secular life with other Kashmiris with tolerence to all religions,be part of India and obtain benefits of freedom from India, or they have choice to be with pakistan but they have to pay their dues to india for that and get lost to Pakistan.But muslim world does not accept sane wisdom,barbaric religion of stone age holds sway on emotional muslims,not way of good life ? If proved wrong,I will be happiest person for kashmir.In India when over 400 kingdoms have merged to form the nation do Kashmiris want to join Pakistan where even muslims within the same religion are discriminated or would they like a life of equals in society ?
President decides on the advise of council of ministers.
INDIAN KASHMIRI IS IN INDIA,PAKISTANI KASHMIRI IS IN KASHMIR AND IN INDIA ?
People do not support or oppose Saddam,issue here is that of an individual,who waged wars with the help and connivance of US and UK with Iran and now being punished not for those war crimes along with abettors,but for another crime and that too by Kangaroo courts designated by illegal occupier of US, Justice should also is to be just,seen to be just.Bush invading Iraq without the approval of world body is also liable for trial for atrocities,crimes of war.Powerful nation/s can not decide the fate of other nations like in jungle.?
Perception of slavery is very different from actual slavery.A doting mother is to the child is not a slave,but by choice she is devoted to the progeny,so also a loving husband who is hen-pecked is not slave,but chooses to be.Slaves have no choice in subjugation of body and mind. Still soul can be free.
True,but those very few had no other interests except the goal of self realisation,my friend,in mundane life,not every issue is about body and intellect. That is why it is spiritual.
Individual right in civil society can not over-ride the collective right of a society.These rights are ordained by civic laws to the individual and society.
True,certain aspects of life defy the language of communications,they are soul to soul,soul to the ultimate soul,truth.The truth in perception even in day to day life is percieved as what we want to,not as it is ?
Friend are we not overlooking the fact that every time a judgement turned down the legislation, legislators do a trick called amendment to constitution and put that legislation in art.31.B, outside the perview of judiciary,?
During the times,when kingdoms were in war with invaders,the needs of the time was to face the cruelty of war and sati was lessor evil for the women for virtue. It is different issue that sati was glorified and made a "earning method with temples springing up at sites of the event,family benefitted from such atrocious acts.
A follower of Islam does not know his own scriptures,he depends on mullas and moulavis to explain, misinterpretations are followed by him,how does he grasp the other scriptures of any religion or faith ? Forgive him,he knows not what he is posting. !
HUMAN IN TROUBLES AND PROBLEMS SEEKS APPEASEMENT BY SACRIFICE OF ANIMAL, LIVES IN HOPE OF SEEKING SOLACE FOR HIS PROBLEMS BY THIS ACT OF CRUELTY,WHICH AGAIN AN ACT OUT OF FEAR TO NATURE WHICH IS MORE POWERFUL THAN HUMAN,PERCIEVED GODS ARE SEEN IN NATURE.
Friend,it is not easy or wise to sum up the Gita in these few words,it has meaning in three subtle planes of - material,intellectual and spiritual aspects of life. Any lopsided interpretations will only lead to further confusions of illogics.The 18 chapters of Gita are the essence of life,before and after of the soul along with present life of soul in body human.
CIVIL LAWS ENSURE THAT SUCH SELF PRESERVATION IS NOT AT THE COST OF OTHER LIVES. ?
It is not fair comment. ! Please do not generalise.
Revolution, yes, a silent revolution is getting strength in the society,as and when the limits of oppression become unbearable,it will erupt to destroy the evils.
Any decease of body and mind which are difficult to cure are stigmas in society,AIDS is one decease that has the grip on minds of the society as uncurable decease in life. But when the whole system of society itself is infected with discrimnation and evils which are incurable,make living the hell for citizens in society,there seems to be no medicine to cure this AIDS of the society than the decease AIDS.The recent example of a Report of retired judge for reservations to religious groups in society instead of the deserved inspite of any religion, is one such infection of the society.
Friend, human with good and evil gunas in him is the sura or asura in society, human good when crystaliises it is incarnation of good of the society,to overcome the evils in society. Human good of debate of evils in society,forming an enlightened form is the identification of evils,then steps to eradicate the evils is human good.
Hindu way of living is not confined to word religion,my friend,religion is so small that it contains only way of life to limit oneself to material aspects of life,percieved gods worship,nothing else,nothing more than that,where as hindu dharma has different connotations in way of life, to suggest ones duty in society, for material life,intellectual and spiritual aspects of life,with different paths to worship the percieved god.That is why it is seen as Dharmo rakshathi Rakshithah.Dharma will save the person who lives with dharma, duties.
That is very correct my freind,so long as the human greed and attempts to subjugate other humans for gains persist, these conflicts do exist.!
By terror mechanism also ?
True,hindus in general are once educated and good in life are against the caste in the society.As can be seen developed areas in India do not have much of caste prejudices in day to day life. But the politics is such that it reminds the wounds and rub salts into the wounds repeatedly so that citizens do not tend to overcome the evils of caste.!
Well said,society as a whole recognises the deep-rooted evils,can not remove unless the mindset of all in society also changes,take the example of any OBCs,they have again,in them have upper and lower subcastes. !For example in south,The gowdas,who are OBCs have their own sub-castes of Pettige gowda, Gangamathastha etc, each claiming to be brahmin in Gowdas. !The same is true in Reddys also.
Friend,upper and lower is not decided by birth,but by economic status.Unless we realise this,muslim reservations will be battle for shias and sunnis and wahabis and bohras ! Reservation benefits to all who are poor downtrodden is the duty of the administration for common good of the society,not on religion or caste.
Empty promises without performance is the hallmark of politicians !
River or rivulet flowing to ocean is not news. ! Secondly hindu way of living is not confined to term of a religion. Many who like the intellectual or spiritual aspects of hindu,like it follow it,he may be of any faith,he follows hindu way of life. Converted christians incorporate many hindu customs in their festivities or mournings.So also mapillahs muslims of India.
That would be statesmen in service of society and nation. !
Human sufferings transcend the barriers of caste and religions. !
Basic flaw of constitution flows from the thought that the isalm and christanity does not have class discrimination,on caste basis or otherwise,which is a myth as the scriptures of these religions preaches that all followers of faith are children of their percieved god,so others are forced,cajoled,seduced to join the faith with rulers role in this persuation, if one does not follow the faith,they are kafirs in one,persuaded in the other.Hindu way of life does not confirm to the word "religion" as it transcends the narrow meaning of religion,being way of life,not way of worship.Also hindu way of life encompasses the material,intellectual and spiritual aspects of life,choice is with the seeker of any particular sphere to gain what he likes most - spiritual aspects,intellectual aspects or material gains.
Quite true,in democracy if the benefits of freedom does not percolate to the needy and deprived,they become aspirants of the benefits and the rulers exploit them with empty promises.
Please do not be, for one,men and women should realise the truth that none are inferior or superior to each other,both are compementary to each other in life.When the race of egos to prove one is superior or equal to other has started with modern life styles,these aberrations do take place in society.Each is important in society whether a male or female importance grows with good values not celebrity status.
The reservation is on, not for social justice in practise today,it is a tool for the OBCs to further exploit the society with brahmins being target of hate politics,being the mild,timid,and learned they keep away from petty politics.The OBCs with lati and rule book with them, are the beneficiaries of reservation depriving the dalits of the benefits.As to whether any citizen from any faith is entitled for the benefits,yes, is the emphatic answer for the deprived,but in practise the rich and powerful use the law book to deprive them of it.More important, the good governance should ensure every citizen of social justice on economics than politics of the issue.
Please read the article in Indian Express of today by S>Gurumurthy, where in the research of a scholar of Vardha, is published to dispel the myth. That the brahmins were not oppressers,but the rulers which formed the majority of kingdoms in pre-british rule and education was better in India than UK is well documented,decay in education with british rule,discrimination of caste were more pronounced in british rule. Whom you see today as other backward castes are the real oppressors of dalits from time immemorial, even today.
Sir, making it possible is the game of politics. !For vote pools anything is possible, reservations which was for only ten years for SC/ ST which deserved it, was extended to OBCs, now being planned to exend on religion basis. It strikes at the very principle of "equity" in society.By amendments to constitution this political class wants to create vote pools of divided society.Strifes and rackus will follow.
Human good of the society is god to society,invisible for the eyes,but omnipotent,omnipresent in society.
Specific answer is NO, both these religions,islam and christianity does not recognise the "caste" in humans,but in practise it is well seen.The caste difference is very much practised,only relief is their economic status with which community neglects castes of the converted if they are effluent.In hindus also the same yaedstick is clearly visible,those in effluent class mingle freely with any of the "caste",it is good for the society if the caste is not recognised but economic conditions is prime for upliftment.
It is sheer economis,my brother,if not you and your hindu brothers are slaves in there. As to BJP it is definitely better than Congress which makes the hindu and muslims fight for their votes.Divided hindu society has understood the game plan,they have options to vote the right candidate,be it in Congress or BJP,or even left,but unfortunately muslim votes are now getting divided by the tricks of the HRD Arjun Singh,in a way,he is dividing all the vote pools so that the neo savious of muslim community likes of Mulayam Yadav and Lalu Yadav along with Mayavathi do not get the entire benefit at the cost of Congress.
Such shameless judges who oblige their political masters are shame in civil society. Men of integrity are supposed to be the highest courts as judges,do they sell the integrity after retirement is a point to ponder ? Have a look at Human rights commission,of retire tired judges, which seems to see the rights of humans in particular religion special,nay more than others in society. ? A jawan who has to defend borders,fanatic terrorist in civil dresses hurling grenades and talk of rights of that terrorist,but not of the Jawan who is obliged to die for this fanatics if he doesnt act. ?
Interin report and results in Bihar elections have made it sleep. Next is Sacchar committee report to wake up the vote pools to divide the pool for better management in UP ?
Deaths of hindus is always accidental,but minority deaths are well planned and executed according to pseudo-secular intelligentia and media,saudi riyals do affect the intellectual prostitution.That apart,my friend,those who rush to Pakistan like the mohammed Koya and Fahaad,with so many aliases,come back,with the help of the vote pool managers,get ration card,driving license and voters ID,even passport of India, to further create accidents for the vote pool managers. !Rule that accidents dont happen,thay are caused is seen allover highways,justifying the act ?
Those converted from hindu have the mindset which is carried forward,in any social relationships,it is evident,informal,but very much present,within my acquitances I have seen the practise of it,economically backward in islam are further ascertained as to their ancestry,if from "lower" caste,such relations are not encouraged socially.The same is true in christian society also. More, now they carry forward with surnames of the caste when they are converted. !But those who are effluent seem to get out of the claudron.
Exactly, the Committee report is timed for the pre-election campaign. ! Do we forget the other reports of the sycophancy ?
Sir, now that you are no more a child,grown with better perceptions,prejudices that are in growing,with intellect,please shun the prejudice of childhood to grown up, see the truth.Life itself is best teacher.
No, sir, We are against reservation to the elite of the society,be it from any caste ! Let the benefits reach each and every one in society,why discriminate on castes and religions.? Poverty does not discrimnnate,deceases does not discrimnate,death does not discriminate,why administration of good should be ? When terror of administration strikes let it strike at everybody, let justice be same to every one. !
OVER ACTIONS AND REACTIONS ARE NOT EXACTLY GOOD ?
PARTIAL FACTS ARE ALWAYS FARCICAL.!
Sir, there is much bigger game plan that we see at the surface. Now muslim vote pool is one single block of votes shared by the APPARENT pro-muslim parties,to the extent of about 85 percent block votes. The share of Congress traditional beneficiary is alarmingly low,lower than left parties also. Hence the game is to divide the vote in to shias,sunnis and other backward classes OF MUSLIMS so that backwards still rally for congress, benefit at the cost of mullayam yadav,left and Lallu yadav,confusion in the rank and files of IUML and other muslim name parties. !
Government records show schools in all villages,roads in all areas in files. ! And with Lalu type of persons fodder will go straight in to administrative stomachs, not to cows and animals which need fodder. ?
Sir, let us not contribute to the delay muddle of bureacracy by this excuse,if there is political will,a school building in a village can be completed in less than six months with modern facilities. it is the tender process of notification,approval and funds release in files that is delay and corruption. Now with rural development programmes,rural employment scheme for villages and districts,if the administration is kick-started,the village workers will get rozgar,infrastructure will be in place within six months,will is required to get results,will to deliver the promise,to keep the promise.Media and left which now watchdogs of society should have the will to chase the promise in to reality.Will it ?
It is a well planned game plan,which all sections of society do not seem to understand now. First it was that section of society which goes by name hindu that was devided by caste to deprive the benefits to all deprived,now as it is divided muslim section with shias and sunnis,wahabis and bohras will be further divided so that all political parties can reap the benefit of divided votes. ?Arjun Singh,we assume is senile,but devils workshop make devilish plans to devide the society.
Very true,sir,at the village level schools are built to see the ground again in less than 2-3 years,roof unrepaired,not allowed to be repaired with the nexus of contractors waiting for the previous repair bills,on paper every school has been used up to gulp and gujjle few lakhs,like roads the schools are in bad shape,but unlike roads which are used cursing the authorities,here destiny of children that is in jeopardy.Tall speeches are just before elections in states or central for the voters to give hopes to keep them pending.But polity does not comprehend that even after 60 years and many elections thinking that they will not cheated this time. ?
With liberal attitude to sex, dress and behaviour in modern days,yes,some temples do not allow every one to some temples,where men are in vrithams bathe in cold water of the river with minimal dresses,the women with modern attitude to such temples with flaunted body assets may have to suffer more of animal instincts of both genders,where soul is subjugated to body for sex, not the temples where soul is awakened to more sublime levels of life ? Navarathri dances are one such example of modern style of celebrations where females suffer temptations of premarital sex,pay for it with mental, physical trauma with modern styles of living.As to discrimination of anyone in society to place of worship,it is no more prevalent now,may be only in villages. But if one professes a different faith why s/he should be keen to visit a temple when s/he has no faith for that sybmol of percieved god ? On one hand claiming jesus is only saviour,wife of a politician,wants to have the glory of Guruvayur temple to be her saviour for votes ? A starlet of bygone years puts in a false claim that he touched the idol,which is physically not possible for any male/female,what is the issue here ? Just to flout the rules of the society and bask on glory and lime light in fading morality ?
New breed of journalists think all the while that they are social crusaders being modern and liberal,but with zero perception of values. ?The limitation is of perception, of body and intellect and nothing for soul. ?
Many times the laws are to the advantage of female in society,but prejudices against the modern,liberal page three persons is from the society for the "liberal" female who has apparently no character when she can change her bedding partner like bedsheets,not conforming to existing pattern of life.Though wealth can buy the adoration and admiration for any one, confirming one self to values in life,is character of the persona,if not, even laws can not help wayward male or female.!
Come on,blame on constitution is not easy way out, it is the religious practises which oppress the female in human society as male dominated clergy of any faith are not willing to share the rights with their female counterparts of society.
True.
Well, male and female of species when are complementary to each other in human life,the ego of a male or female goes to prove that each of them are superior to each other,then the laws help both to prove it otherwise,both are victims of ego-trip,loose all good in life.Character is intangible,in built in the life of the person,male or female,it can be felt,percieved,seen in actions of human,perception of the character can change in court of laws,but it really does not effect for true self in the long term.
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