A group of foreign reporters say that at their meeting with Mohan Bhagwat, the chief of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS), said that in public perception of effective governance, Bihar is ahead of Gujarat. "At his first-ever interaction with foreign media, Mohan Bhagwat of the RSS said that Bihar and Gujarat are model states of good governance. In that order, a reporter asked him. "That's what people say," he allegedly responded.