"I think it's the way they are received that keeps making me return to addressing these issues. These are all different people starting from different places. What moves them to make the journey as well is also different. Sometimes it is violence or war that they are trying to escape. Sometimes it's poverty or sometimes just simply a desire to make a better life. These are people who are making this journey in the same way as Europeans made. It's just that happen not to be Europeans," says Abdulrazak Gunrah, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2021 in a conversation with NDTV's Prannoy Roy on the public discourse about refugees in the UK.